prayers out to the daley family

prayers out to the daley family
- martox

What's happened? Mother passed? Very sad time if that has happened.

What's happened? Mother passed? Very sad time if that has happened.
- Aussiepenguin

yes

Package centered around the 6th? Meaning 6th +? This is the type of deal I might consider moving Murray for.
- Victoro311

There better be something else coming back along with the 6th pick to make me consider it. To be honest, we yield nothing for two or three years as far as that sixth overall pick doing anything for us.

We won't have any salary flexibility by moving Murray. Don't like this as I see it this way. Bad move. Trade our starting goalie who is making 600K this coming year and then is still under our control as a RFA (would get still a cheaper deal than Flower is on at that juncture); one who is calm, cool and collected; one that does rebound well from a bad goal in order to keep fan favorite who had two concussions in two months; and usually fails in the play-offs; in addition is on the books for 5.75 million for the next XXX years ... this is a pass.

There better be something else coming back along with the 6th pick to make me consider it. To be honest, we yield nothing for two or three years as far as that sixth overall pick doing anything for us.

We won't have any salary flexibility by moving Murray. Don't like this as I see it this way. Bad move. Trade our starting goalie who is making 600K this coming year and then is still under our control as a RFA (would get still a cheaper deal than Flower is on at that juncture); one who is calm, cool and collected; one that does rebound well from a bad goal in order to keep fan favorite who had two concussions in two months; and usually fails in the play-offs; in addition is on the books for 5.75 million for the next XXX years ... this is a pass.
- Oneonta Penguin

yeah. im not saying that murray could even fetch the 6 OA or is even worth that. but im of the mindset that i dont necessarily want to move him for it. i know the cup window isnt closing, but this team has a legit shot to stay very close to the top for the next 2 or 3 years. the cap flexibility with murray is the most important thing.

You guys think that Ottawa can be in the mix to get Fleury... French GM, French Coach, French player prospect coming...probably gonna draft Julien Gauthier or other French guy at the draft... i dont think Anderson or Hammond can be better of what they give last few years... If ottawa want to get a real chance to do something they need a guy like Fleury as #1 goaltender... my opinion !

Just stop
- The-O-G

Everyone has those types of people. We have several. Those who think Sam Bennett is in play for us, or the ever popular MAF + a second + DP for the sixth overall pick. So do you ... those who say Wideman and a 5th for Fleury and many other examples.

You guys think that Ottawa can be in the mix to get Fleury... French GM, French Coach, French player prospect coming...probably gonna draft Julien Gauthier or other French guy at the draft... i dont think Anderson or Hammond can be better of what they give last few years... If ottawa want to get a real chance to do something they need a guy like Fleury as #1 goaltender... my opinion !
- Zo0by

yes I believe they would be interested. the thing is if they can give what we want.

yes I believe they would be interested. the thing is if they can give what we want.
- martox

Yeah but im sure teams want to wait a little bit, the price will drop....Fleury not starting the next year in a black and yellow jersey and every other GM know that... if they get a 1st rounder i doubt it will be a top 10 pick this year... but you never know

If they want Murray, I wouldnt do it for the 6th overall. The conversation for Murray to the Flames starts with Brodie+ imo. The other thing to consider is that if they were to explore the market for Murray there is no need to limit it to Calgary as most teams would probably move mountains to get him.
- Rawdog9755

Nice counter by Calgary. However, they just made clear that the #6 pick is open for discussion. Fleury plus Poliot should do it--if not, it's just a matter of settling on the other piece or pieces.

yes I believe they would be interested. the thing is if they can give what we want.
- martox

Sure. A trade and sign of Mike Hoffman sounds nice. Fleury is an upgrade to their situation in net but I don't think OTT really needs to push for it.

Edit: there are seriously so many good RFAs out there and I have no idea how to gauge their values

You guys think that Ottawa can be in the mix to get Fleury... French GM, French Coach, French player prospect coming...probably gonna draft Julien Gauthier or other French guy at the draft... i dont think Anderson or Hammond can be better of what they give last few years... If ottawa want to get a real chance to do something they need a guy like Fleury as #1 goaltender... my opinion !
- Zo0by

I don't see it working. We'd want Hammond and a second, or somewhere around there. If they send us Anderson, they're gonna have to really sweeten the pot. It'd have to be a bigger trade.

Something like Fleury for Anderson and Puempel or Perron. Gonna have to give to get if they want to dump Anderson on us.

Blackhawks kicking the tires on Malkin. Cost ya Toews and Panarinh. Https://mobile.twitter.co...status/745327502357372928
- Dcoms

I'm kicking the tires on a new Ferrari Enzo, too. Doesn't mean I have the capability or means to buy one.

Sure. A trade and sign of Mike Hoffman sounds nice.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't think there's a world we can get a hold of Hoffman. The closest we could get is

Fleury, Sheary/Wilson/Pouliot, and a 2nd for Anderson cap dump and the rights to Hoffman.

I don't think there's a world we can get a hold of Hoffman. The closest we could get is

Fleury, Sheary/Wilson/Pouliot, and a 2nd for Anderson cap dump and the rights to Hoffman.
- Victoro311

Yea, I was just going straight up for the rights. That'd be the riskiest trade of all time, but Hoffman has every reason to sign here and Fleury would open up the cap space to sign him.

You are right though OTT doesnt have much motivation here unless they dont think they could sign Hoffman for some reason. OTT is in the same boat as DAL if they want in on FLeury.

Yea, I was just going straight up for the rights. That'd be the riskiest trade of all time, but Hoffman has every reason to sign here and Fleury would open up the cap space to sign him.

You are right though OTT doesnt have much motivation here unless they dont think they could sign Hoffman for some reason. OTT is in the same boat as DAL if they want in on FLeury.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Literally the only way we have a shot at Hoffman's rights (who's a RFA, not UFA so its not that risky) is if we take on Anderson's cap dump and they see Fleury as a top 10-12 goalie in the league.

Nice counter by Calgary. However, they just made clear that the #6 pick is open for discussion. Fleury plus Poliot should do it--if not, it's just a matter of settling on the other piece or pieces.
- PensFan1962

Ummm... no. Flower and DP do not get us the #6. DP at the moment, has squat in trade value. Flower might be worth two 2nds, that does not even seem to be a certain.


So them CHANGING the trade, cause that is not a counter when they change their asking piece, wanting the more valuable goalie, for the 6th, does not mean a prospect that the organization looks like they almost have given up on, and Flower, can bring back the 6th.


For reference... a Counter to the trade, Flower for the 6th... would have been them saying Flower, DP, and BOTH of our 2nds, for the 6th pick.

Ummm... no. Flower and DP do not get us the #6. DP at the moment, has squat in trade value. Flower might be worth two 2nds, that does not even seem to be a certain.


So them CHANGING the trade, cause that is not a counter when they change their asking piece, wanting the more valuable goalie, for the 6th, does not mean a prospect that the organization looks like they almost have given up on, and Flower, can bring back the 6th.
- Guile

There are gonna be a lot of posters on here that are going to be very disappointed with the Fleury return.

In other news, Yohe reported today that Fleury hasn't officially requested a trade after a couple of conversations with JR this past week despite all other signs pointing to that he would, and The Old Man is in no hurry to move him. It even sounded like Ruth doesn't want to move him. Hopefully Old Man Ruth knows something that we don't in terms of expansion rules.

yes I believe they would be interested. the thing is if they can give what we want.
- martox

Erik Karlsson tell you they would be interested?

35th and kylington all (frank)ing day.
- stayinthefnnet

I would take their last of the second round picks they have and Kylington; heck even their third and Kylington.

There are gonna be a lot of posters on here that are going to be very disappointed with the Fleury return.

In other news, Yohe reported today that Fleury hasn't officially requested a trade after a couple of conversations with JR this past week despite all other signs pointing to that he would, and The Old Man is in no hurry to move him. It even sounded like Ruth doesn't want to move him. Hopefully Old Man Ruth knows something that we don't in terms of expansion rules.
- Victoro311

Have said this ... your first sentence for a while. People fail to see his true value for another team. He isn't worth the sixth pick; he isn't worth a first round pick; he is worth the top second Calgary has; two late second round picks, or a third and Kylington.

Ruth would be making a huge mistake not moving him.

There are gonna be a lot of posters on here that are going to be very disappointed with the Fleury return.

In other news, Yohe reported today that Fleury hasn't officially requested a trade after a couple of conversations with JR this past week despite all other signs pointing to that he would, and The Old Man is in no hurry to move him. It even sounded like Ruth doesn't want to move him. Hopefully Old Man Ruth knows something that we don't in terms of expansion rules.
- Victoro311

I think two 2nds is a pretty good return, or one of their LW prospects and a 2nd.

Dunno why some gotta go for more... I can either humor them, or be harsh... really just depends on the hour.

Have said this ... your first sentence for a while. People fail to see his true value for another team. He isn't worth the sixth pick; he isn't worth a first round pick; he is worth the top second Calgary has; two late second round picks, or a third and Kylington.

Ruth would be making a huge mistake not moving him.
- Oneonta Penguin

Woah woah woah woah... he is 100% worth that 1st rounder Toronto gave to Anaheim... as in, the last 1st round pick

Ummm... no. Flower and DP do not get us the #6. DP at the moment, has squat in trade value. Flower might be worth two 2nds, that does not even seem to be a certain.


So them CHANGING the trade, cause that is not a counter when they change their asking piece, wanting the more valuable goalie, for the 6th, does not mean a prospect that the organization looks like they almost have given up on, and Flower, can bring back the 6th.


For reference... a Counter to the trade, Flower for the 6th... would have been them saying Flower, DP, and BOTH of our 2nds, for the 6th pick.
- Guile

I can almost live with that. Perhaps one of the seconds and the fourth?

There are gonna be a lot of posters on here that are going to be very disappointed with the Fleury return.

In other news, Yohe reported today that Fleury hasn't officially requested a trade after a couple of conversations with JR this past week despite all other signs pointing to that he would, and The Old Man is in no hurry to move him. It even sounded like Ruth doesn't want to move him. Hopefully Old Man Ruth knows something that we don't in terms of expansion rules.
- Victoro311

I take those Ruth comments as posturing. He knows he has to move MAF. The question is the timing.