Curious what deadweight do we have?

Fehr - No
Daley - no
Kunitz - Yes, but I'm not leveraging Murray to ship off 1 year of kunitz being overpaid by 1.5 million. Even at 3.75 we might be able to shop Kun for a pick.
Scuderi - don't think you can trade retained salary but would be curious
- sditulli

Not calling Daley deadweight by any means... but He wanted Brodie, for Murray.


Well then, i want Daley moved, so the money works... and then you have Letang, Maatta, Dumo, and Brodie, LOCKED UP for 4+ years as our top 4.

If you read the hawks blog they think they are getting Malkin for Anisimov, Krueger, and a first lol

Not calling Daley deadweight by any means... but He wanted Brodie, for Murray.


Well then, i want Daley moved, so the money works... and then you have Letang, Maatta, Dumo, and Brodie, LOCKED UP for 4+ years as our top 4.
- Guile

oh yeah. that makes sense.

a top 4 like that would be ridiculous.

If you read the hawks blog they think they are getting Malkin for Anisimov, Krueger, and a first lol
- kfinl170

lol yeah lets get right on that

oh yeah. that makes sense.

a top 4 like that would be ridiculous.
- stayinthefnnet

Yes... I still don't like moving Murray for Brodie (ignoring the unrealisticness of it)... because then we sell Daley or more for basically nothing due to the obvious cap situation... but I think you HAVE to move Daley then if we obtain Brodie for Murray (or hell, somehow for Flower+)

I want those top two pairs together for all 4 years. I don't want a year with Daley up there, then Brodie gets to move up... no, that is a wasted year of synergy.


edit: I mispoke on if somehow JR gets Brodie for a Fleury package... Daley gets 3rd pair minutes then. My bad.

Maybe its me, but I don't see Brodie as being worth this much of a roster shuffling and cap dancing around.
- Guile

It's you ....outside of Pitt and Calgary where there's no bias there are many who consider Brodie near Norris calibre already ...he isnt going anywhere ...zero chance

As for the thoughts of getting any of Johnny, monny , Bennett, etc ....it's not happening ...I honestly don't want to offer anything for Murray ...give me fleury for a 2nd and prospect and end this nonsense

It's you ....outside of Pitt and Calgary where there's no bias there are many who consider Brodie near Norris calibre already ...he isnt going anywhere ...zero chance

As for the thoughts of getting any of Johnny, monny , Bennett, etc ....it's not happening ...I honestly don't want to offer anything for Murray ...give me fleury for a 2nd and prospect and end this nonsense
- Redmile247

So... we can go back to two-three days ago when it was Poirier vs Shink as the prospect debate?

So... we can go back to two-three days ago when it was Poirier vs Shink as the prospect debate?
- Guile

If it's me I would offer shink over Poirier simply because you can't have too many small skilled guys in your top 6 ...we already have Johnny so I'd lean towards keeping EP ...but at the end of the day if it's one of our prospects and a 2nd I would be too disappointed

He's the guy i like, and most Flames think that a deal centered around Fleury and Shinkaruk is fair.
- cap1681

Might sting for the Flames....cause they need talent on the wing. But I think the Flames would listen to this. Maybe 35 + Shink?

If it's me I would offer shink over Poirier simply because you can't have too many small skilled guys in your top 6 ...we already have Johnny so I'd lean towards keeping EP ...but at the end of the day if it's one of our prospects and a 2nd I would be too disappointed
- Redmile247

If its the 35th pick + prospect I am fine, as long as the prospect isn't Hickey or Fat Rass.

So, Calgary Sun (not most reliable source) said Flames would consider moving 6th overall for Murray. If that's the case I do it. Fleury is still a very good goalie and Jarry is in the system.

Might sting for the Flames....cause they need talent on the wing. But I think the Flames would listen to this. Maybe 35 + Shink?
- The-O-G

sold.

sold.
- stayinthefnnet

Agreed

So, Calgary Sun (not most reliable source) said Flames would consider moving 6th overall for Murray. If that's the case I do it. Fleury is still a very good goalie and Jarry is in the system.
- cranktheradio

You're way behind my friend.

So instead of dying, the Malkin to Chicago rumor is gaining steam..............

If its the 35th pick + prospect I am fine, as long as the prospect isn't Hickey or Fat Rass.
- The-O-G

Ideally I'd rather give up a couple picks and just keep the prospects but gotta give to get

You're way behind my friend.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Oh. I know. There's no way I'm reading through 300 some posts of, most likely, bickering between us and other fan bases.

Not calling Daley deadweight by any means... but He wanted Brodie, for Murray.


Well then, i want Daley moved, so the money works... and then you have Letang, Maatta, Dumo, and Brodie, LOCKED UP for 4+ years as our top 4.
- Guile

Only problem is that you can only protect 3 d-men for the expansion draft. More than likely, you would lose one of these guys.

Ideally I'd rather give up a couple picks and just keep the prospects but gotta give to get
- Redmile247

35th and Shink is decent. Well under fair market value for Fleury but close given the constraints around the deal.

I would double check with remaining teams who might be interested as that offer doesn't blow me away but could live with that deal.

so honest question and it is probably a silly answer but what if you convert a defensemen into a forward on paper but ofc don't play him as that. can you protect said defensemen as a forward?

So instead of dying, the Malkin to Chicago rumor is gaining steam..............
- cap1681

What could the Hawks offer ? Seems very unlikely they give up a toews or kane ...just don't see a fit cap wise or player wise

You can protect 4 dmen.

so we would protect
4 fowards - Malkin, Crosby, Kessel, probably Hagelin
4 dmen - Letang, Maata, dumo, Brodie
1 goalie - Fleury

Lose Horn in expansion most likely or wilson/Pouliot

You can protect 4 dmen.

so we would protect
4 fowards - Malkin, Crosby, Kessel, probably Hagelin
4 dmen - Letang, Maata, dumo, Brodie
1 goalie - Fleury

Lose Horn in expansion most likely or wilson/Pouliot
- sditulli

thought you could protect 7 forwards 3 defensemen 1 goalie or 8 skaters and 1 goalie
and yes I know you use the 8 skaters one. you would lose pouliot if you protected like that. not that I think we would get brodie

FWIW I don't think calgary wants to move a roster player of significance for Murray. I think they want to run with Murray and lose a pick. Then have a young core thats the same age.

Have a core of Hamilton, Brodie, Monahan, gaudreau, Murray.

thats probably a core that can keep you in playoff contention.

And then they have that older defenseman I forget his name for a few years now.

thought you could protect 7 forwards 3 defensemen 1 goalie or 8 skaters and 1 goalie
- martox

I'm little bad at math, but isn't 4 defenseman + 4 forwards = 8 skaters