Lovejoy was what 1.1? Fehr is 2. Lets say they were going to offer Shultz around 2. All of that is Brodie right there. Other option would be to include Ian Cole.
- Rawdog9755

Maybe its me, but I don't see Brodie as being worth this much of a roster shuffling and cap dancing around.

Shinkaruk is a prospect that many have been drooling over.
- Rinosaur

He's the guy i like, and most Flames think that a deal centered around Fleury and Shinkaruk is fair.

Maybe its me, but I don't see Brodie as being worth this much of a roster shuffling and cap dancing around.
- Guile

A 26yr old D man signed to a reasonable contract(4.65 cap hit) for 4 more years playing at basically top pairing level? Again, I would really be averse to trading Murray, but Brodie is the kind of player Id really think about depending on the rest of the deal. If they want to keep going all in on puck moving Dmen and speed, Brodie is the kind of Dman you target.

A 26yr old D man signed to a reasonable contract(4.65 cap hit) for 4 more years playing at basically top pairing level? Again, I would really be averse to trading Murray, but Brodie is the kind of player Id really think about depending on the rest of the deal. If they want to keep going all in on puck moving Dmen and speed, Brodie is the kind of Dman you target.
- Rawdog9755

Okay... you want him, hes good... I won't keep trying to talk you out of him.

How about this... Find a suitor for Daley then. No offense or dislike to him, but he won't be kept after next year, so his cap hit would make the roster dance a bit easier than Fehr+Cole.


Daley's cap hit, plus the escalator is almost exactly Brodie.


edit: And then, bonus... You have Letang with his youngin (Dumo might just jump Maatta, who knows) and the other youngin with Brodie... for 4 years ALL TOGETHER.

Can your media please stop stirring rumors about a potential Malkin-to-Chicago deal please.

We have enough cap troubles as is.

Can your media please stop stirring rumors about a potential Malkin-to-Chicago deal please.

We have enough cap troubles as is.
- TommyHawk

Tell EK to stop stupid Malkin rumors first then

Can your media please stop stirring rumors about a potential Malkin-to-Chicago deal please.

We have enough cap troubles as is.
- TommyHawk

it's not our media. They guy who tweeted that is from NYC...

Blackhawks kicking the tires on Malkin. Cost ya Toews and Panarinh. Https://mobile.twitter.co...status/745327502357372928

Can your media please stop stirring rumors about a potential Malkin-to-Chicago deal please.

We have enough cap troubles as is.
- TommyHawk

it is not our media that is doing it. it is ek that is doing it.

it's not our media. They guy who tweeted that is from NYC...
- cap1681

Yep, saw that.

Then saw Michael Grosso.

And of course, Ek...

Whoever started it ... please quash it!

Okay... you want him, hes good... I won't keep trying to talk you out of him.

How about this... Find a suitor for Daley then. No offense or dislike to him, but he won't be kept after next year, so his cap hit would make the roster dance a bit easier than Fehr+Cole.


Daley's cap hit, plus the escalator is almost exactly Brodie.


edit: And then, bonus... You have Letang with his youngin (Dumo might just jump Maatta, who knows) and the other youngin with Brodie... for 4 years ALL TOGETHER.
- Guile

Would depend on how bad Flames want Murray. Id try to leverage him to ship out dead weight. I think Daley would have enough value on his own at this point to trade on his own if we needed to. No need to package him with Murray. Id like to keep Daley. I am admittedly not sold on Maatta(hence he wasnt included in my imaginary top 4). I dont see him living up to that contract, although i hope i am wrong.

I don't like the top 6 pick. Not a big believer you find franchise guys at a high likelihood at that point.

I'm no scout, but consensus seems to be 3 franchise guys this year. If we can get one of them and it centers on Murray then its a deal I do. Murray didn't win the Cup for us, but helped at on. Fleury can do that. Jarry can do that in a few years. One of our big 3 will age poorly in all likelihood. Having the next guy ready in 2-3 years to step up will do more to keep the window open than Murray.

No idea on the costs. Flames say package for Murray.

Is 6th plus 3 2nds enough to move up to #3?

I don't like the top 6 pick. Not a big believer you find franchise guys at a high likelihood at that point.

I'm no scout, but consensus seems to be 3 franchise guys this year. If we can get one of them and it centers on Murray then its a deal I do. Murray didn't win the Cup for us, but helped at on. Fleury can do that. Jarry can do that in a few years. One of our big 3 will age poorly in all likelihood. Having the next guy ready in 2-3 years to step up will do more to keep the window open than Murray.

No idea on the costs. Flames say package for Murray.

Is 6th plus 3 2nds enough to move up to #3?
- sditulli

Disagree with your thoughts here ... ALOT. You make Murray sound like a second class citizen. Sorry, he is our starting goalie for 2016-17 at a great rate and even when he becomes a RFA, he will have a salary more cost effective than Fleury. Besides, no one is giving up a huge package for Murray. In addition, this talk about the sixth pick ... a guy that can easily bust and if not, a guy that we won't see in the league for at least three years, so ... NO.

Obviously getting the #3 pick would be fantastic but getting it will be damn near impossible.

At #6 you might not get a "Franchise" player but you sure can get a Kessel type player. Tkachuk, Dubois, Juojiev(sp), Sergayev could all end up in the NHL next year. I dont really want to move him but I would be just fine if the Pens were picking up one of these guys. All great fits too. Two power forward left wings and two solid two way D men.

Even with no first round picks, I cant wait for draft day.

no way in hell theyd swap brodie for murray, but i would do that if they offered it.

i get the cap. i get whatever. you find a way to make it work. brodie is a top flight dman on a contract not much different than maatas.

Disagree with your thoughts here ... ALOT. You make Murray sound like a second class citizen. Sorry, he is our starting goalie for 2016-17 at a great rate and even when he becomes a RFA, he will have a salary more cost effective than Fleury. Besides, no one is giving up a huge package for Murray. In addition, this talk about the sixth pick ... a guy that can easily bust and if not, a guy that we won't see in the league for at least three years, so ... NO.
- Oneonta Penguin

You notice how I said "top 3 pick". Those are the can't miss guys. I'm not trading a guy whose a very high probability of being a franchise guy for a 6th pick where a lot of draft misses have happened. The top 3 picks are considered far better quality this year. If I can add a cost controlled high end forward for Murray then I'm pulling the trigger...but thats a tough trade to put together.

If the best we can do is #6 pick, 2nd round pick, B-prospect.

Its a fair offer. I don't think I pull the trigger.

Obviously getting the #3 pick would be fantastic but getting it will be damn near impossible.

At #6 you might not get a "Franchise" player but you sure can get a Kessel type player. Tkachuk, Dubois, Juojiev(sp), Sergayev could all end up in the NHL next year. I dont really want to move him but I would be just fine if the Pens were picking up one of these guys. All great fits too. Two power forward left wings and two solid two way D men.

Even with no first round picks, I cant wait for draft day.
- MacPatty

Too high of miss rate at 6. You could get a Kessel. You could get brandon sutter or Pouliot. Not giving up sure thing for risks.

no way in hell theyd swap brodie for murray, but i would do that if they offered it.

i get the cap. i get whatever. you find a way to make it work. brodie is a top flight dman on a contract not much different than maatas.
- stayinthefnnet

I really wonder how other teams would value Murray.........the only comps for a player like Brodie would be Seth Jones and Hamilton recently. Hamilton was an rfa though so it isnt apples to apples. Using Jones would mean the comparison lies between Murray and Johanson in terms of value. Would a team badly in need of goaltending value Murray close to Johanson? Not too sure on that one.

Would depend on how bad Flames want Murray. Id try to leverage him to ship out dead weight. I think Daley would have enough value on his own at this point to trade on his own if we needed to. No need to package him with Murray. Id like to keep Daley. I am admittedly not sold on Maatta(hence he wasnt included in my imaginary top 4). I dont see him living up to that contract, although i hope i am wrong.
- Rawdog9755

I didn't say to package Daley with Murray... just find him a suitor to make the money work without moving as many pieces.

Obviously getting the #3 pick would be fantastic but getting it will be damn near impossible.

At #6 you might not get a "Franchise" player but you sure can get a Kessel type player. Tkachuk, Dubois, Juojiev(sp), Sergayev could all end up in the NHL next year. I dont really want to move him but I would be just fine if the Pens were picking up one of these guys. All great fits too. Two power forward left wings and two solid two way D men.

Even with no first round picks, I cant wait for draft day.
- MacPatty

I wonder how the flames value pouliot. Fleury and pouliot for the #6?

I really wonder how other teams would value Murray.........the only comps for a player like Brodie would be Seth Jones and Hamilton recently. Hamilton was an rfa though so it isnt apples to apples. Using Jones would mean the comparison lies between Murray and Johanson in terms of value. Would a team badly in need of goaltending value Murray close to Johanson? Not too sure on that one.
- Rawdog9755

yeah. i think given the market comparables this is fair reasoning. and i personally rank brodie highest of the three. and his contract only adds to his value.

i like murray. i dont think he will be all world, but i dont think he will bust. but most importantly, i htink he will be at the perfect intersection of very good and very cheap for the next handful of years.

thats huge. but as far as trading for him, i dont know. the value isnt going to be super incredible in my opinion to be worth it considering the cap.

TIOPS reporting that the Flames are trying to gauge the Pens interest in moving Murray for a package centered around the 6th overall.
- cap1681

Package centered around the 6th? Meaning 6th +? This is the type of deal I might consider moving Murray for.

Blackhawks kicking the tires on Malkin. Cost ya Toews and Panarinh. Https://mobile.twitter.co...status/745327502357372928
- Dcoms

Saw that. I just don't see a deal at all. I'd want Panarin + but I don't know what the Hawks have that'd we want as the + part. No way I'd take Toews back in that deal. He's paid far too much.

I didn't say to package Daley with Murray... just find him a suitor to make the money work without moving as many pieces.
- Guile

Curious what deadweight do we have?

Fehr - No
Daley - no
Kunitz - Yes, but I'm not leveraging Murray to ship off 1 year of kunitz being overpaid by 1.5 million. Even at 3.75 we might be able to shop Kun for a pick.
Scuderi - don't think you can trade retained salary but would be curious

Curious what deadweight do we have?

Fehr - No
Daley - no
Kunitz - Yes, but I'm not leveraging Murray to ship off 1 year of kunitz being overpaid by 1.5 million. Even at 3.75 we might be able to shop Kun for a pick.
Scuderi - don't think you can trade retained salary but would be curious
- sditulli

fehr is going to be a value this year.