Bishop makes little sense to me in CGY over Fleury.

Yes, Bishop is the better goalie.
Yes, he's younger, but only by two years.

Bishop is going to cost over $7M after this coming season. Yes, CGY currently has $24M free, but that won't last long. Monahan and Johnny Hockey will cost them anywhere between $10M and $12M combined.

Next season they lose three of their six dmen, so probably 1/2 to 3/4 of that remaining money will go toward replenishing that.

They also need to re-sign their back-up goalie.

MAF makes more sense financially. The Pens shouldn't be picky on the return.

What makes the NHL diffrent than litterally every other industry ever where businessmen scorn deals all the time due to perceived insults? Not everyone is 100% pragmatic and rational.
- Victoro311

My personal opinion is that you are a pretty poopty GM if you take it personally.

Yep.

MAF costs less than Lehtonen.

I would imagine MAF would rather go to Dallas than Calgary too.
- icedog97

Fleury makes Dallas instantly a top team in the West.

I saw that the buyout period next off-season will be put before the expansion draft. So if all else fails the pens can buy Fleury out to Protect Murray.

When a team matches an offer sheet, that player cannot be traded for one year. Probably to avoid sign and trades when a team is going to lose a player to an offer sheet.

Weber's contract actually contains no clauses.
- Victoro311

Understood, but does that apply to your own RFA's that you sign? Or does it only apply in situations of a matched offer sheet?

Even though there isnt an actual clause in the contract, the rule acts as a defacto clause for 1 year.

My personal opinion is that you are a pretty poopty GM if you take it personally.
- icedog97

This isn't wrong, but my personal oppinion is that all but about three GMs in this league are pretty poopty.

Understood, but does that apply to your own RFA's that you sign? Or does it only apply in situations of a matched offer sheet?

Even though there isnt an actual clause in the contract, the rule acts as a defacto clause for 1 year.
- Rawdog9755

It's only for when you match an offer sheet. You can trade RFAs that are just flat out signed.

So I've now seen at least two people saying to buy out Flower, if they cannot trade him before the expansion draft.


Please... never post again, you're utterly beyond stupid if you think we'd buy him out.

Except that when Calgary moves on to their next of many options of pursuing a goaltender, Rutherford will have lost his best trading value for Flower. You honestly think his value will go up or even stay the same by waiting for someone..anyone to suddenly realize they need a goaltender? If you still have Fluery by the trade deadline this season, you'll be lucky to get a 3rd for him!
- trevy

Okay. That's certainly possible.

But in the meantime...he could play well...play better than Murray even.

Murray could get hurt.

There are lots of possibilities and some will certainly involve other teams we are not even talking about right now (if MAF is still here).

Unless there is a roster player involved from another team, we are talking about potential NHLers anyway.

I'm guessing JR figures 1st round picks are best bets...anything after that, unless the draft is very deep, is a bit of a crap shoot anyway.

It's only for when you match an offer sheet. You can trade RFAs that are just flat out signed.
- Victoro311

Thanks for the explanation. I am admittedly too lazy to either read or attempt to understand the nuances of the cba.

So I've now seen at least two people saying to buy out Flower, if they cannot trade him before the expansion draft.


Please... never post again, you're utterly beyond stupid if you think we'd buy him out.
- Guile

Where are the 2 people advocating doing it?

So I've now seen at least two people saying to buy out Flower, if they cannot trade him before the expansion draft.


Please... never post again, you're utterly beyond stupid if you think we'd buy him out.
- Guile

I'm not advocating buying MAF out, but that doesn't mean those other posters are wrong.

What should the Pens do if they can't make a trade for Fleury?

This isn't wrong, but my personal oppinion is that all but about three GMs in this league are pretty poopty.
- Victoro311

Yeah...I guess.

Something else to consider...context means a lot.

People see that 1st round pick request from JR as something like more of a demand...

"Yeah, you're not getting MAF unless you give us your first rounder this year!"

It could have just as easily been...

"I don't really want to move him and he hasn't asked to leave. So I'm not inclined to try and force this move on him unless it's something that really makes sense for me to try and sell it to him. I can't see that being anything less than a first round pick."

Those are two very different conversations that might look the same once they go through social media.

Where are the 2 people advocating doing it?
- Rawdog9755

Prior pages... but if I call them out specifically, I'm subject to another bann possibly

I'm not advocating buying MAF out, but that doesn't mean those other posters are wrong.

What should the Pens do if they can't make a trade for Fleury?
- Rinosaur

If you really believe the Pens cannot make a trade by that time, that would be better than buying him out... which includes even retaining so much of his cap hit... then grab a tinfoil hat and say the NHL is against the Pens.

Flower is a good goalie, there are a handful of teams that want him.

It's not only if Murray regresses. I guarantee you're not going to see the same dedication to defence in the regular season as you did in the playoffs. Everything will slide a bit.

If you really believe the Pens cannot make a trade by that time, that would be better than buying him out... which includes even retaining so much of his cap hit... then grab a tinfoil hat and say the NHL is against the Pens.

Flower is a good goalie, there are a handful of teams that want him.
- Guile

You're still not answering the question. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm really just curious on your input on what they do.

There are not a lot of buyers out there for goalies right now and Fleury having a NTC makes it even more difficult.

I know that buyouts are not attractive and can make teams look bad.

If the Pens cannot move Fleury, what do you think they should do?

You're still not answering the question. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm really just curious on your input on what they do.

There are not a lot of buyers out there for goalies right now and Fleury having a NTC makes it even more difficult.

I know that buyouts are not attractive and can make teams look bad.

If the Pens cannot move Fleury, what do you think they should do?
- Rinosaur

If you want specific trades, that would be a year from now in theory, not going to bother with that, its pure speculation on a future team's needs, even worse than guessing now.

But if you want a super worst case scenario, if for some ridiculous reason, Flower can't be dealt... TRADE MURRAY for a kings ransom.

TIOPS reporting that the Flames are trying to gauge the Pens interest in moving Murray for a package centered around the 6th overall.

You're still not answering the question. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I'm really just curious on your input on what they do.

There are not a lot of buyers out there for goalies right now and Fleury having a NTC makes it even more difficult.

I know that buyouts are not attractive and can make teams look bad.

If the Pens cannot move Fleury, what do you think they should do?
- Rinosaur

Like others have said, I'd wait and see. I'd be content to start the season with both on my roster.

I know it's not popular, but I'd also see if somebody wanted to over-pay for Murray.

TIOPS reporting that the Flames are trying to gauge the Pens interest in moving Murray for a package centered around the 6th overall.
- cap1681

ok. murray for johny hockey, sean monahan, sam bennet and tj brodie and 6th overall. that is the only thing I would part murray with. they are getting fleury or nothing

TIOPS reporting that the Flames are trying to gauge the Pens interest in moving Murray for a package centered around the 6th overall.
- cap1681

Hmmm...very interesting.

I'm of the opinion that a healthy MAF would have probably done just about as well as Murray did this playoffs.

We won the cup because of our team's play...not the goalie.

No that Murray was not excellent at times, he was.

The Pens have never won a cup with the best tender in the playoffs (MAF was pretty good in 2009 tho).

But I would think there is no way JR trades Murray for that pick unless that package includes something else we need. Can't see it tho

If you want specific trades, that would be a year from now in theory, not going to bother with that, its pure speculation on a future team's needs, even worse than guessing now.

But if you want a super worst case scenario, if for some ridiculous reason, Flower can't be dealt... TRADE MURRAY for a kings ransom.
- Guile

I def listed buying out Fleury as an option, although i was never advocating nor do I think it is anything short of the absolute last resort. Id sooner package our 2017 1st with Fleury just to move him than buy him out--not that i believe it would take that extreme of a measure to deal him.

ok. murray for johny hockey, sean monahan, sam bennet and tj brodie and 6th overall. that is the only thing I would part murray with. they are getting fleury or nothing
- martox

You turning the cap off for this year?

You turning the cap off for this year?
- cap1681

yes