lupul and bozak mainly.
- Tumbleweed

Lupul, Michalek, Bozak, Laich, Greening and Bernier = That's about 25 million and none of those guys will be Leafs by this time next year.

and thats fine.. nobody says they are.
Why does it have to be 100% correct?
- senstroll

Ahh see, that's the thing.

For people like you, they don't have to be 100%.

For some analytics proponents, the entire foundation and starting point for every debate and discussion they have is that analytics are 100% accurate and predictive and everything else is just noise and easily explained away.

and then they somehow conclude that all us non-believers are the close-minded ones.

i'm questioning whether a younger goalie like subban would have been better to build with.
- Tumbleweed

If they want him they can still get him. Hes not NHL ready or proven IMO.

You guys figure it out yet?
- BINGO!

It's a slow process for us. You know this Bingo.

I'm down with the trade.

I'm just conscious of the fact that Andersen's save% to date is pretty average ..and about the same as Reimer and Bernier over the past 3-4 years.

I'm hoping for the best but I was kind of advocating trading some lower picks for a guy like Pickard or Subban who wouldn't have required a big fat contract right away.

Again though, it's been handed to Freddy and I hope he steals the show.
- The Law

Both options come with more risk relative to what the Leafs have now...they can afford a bit of an overpayment

I dont think hes much better than Reimer, if at all...but it might not be necessary to be better than Reimier

someone needs to do some googling
- YuenglingJagr

wasnt it 16 yrs ? 2 years he played then the $1.643 million per year for 14 years buyout?

I agree. Some people just use it way too much. The leafs have a lot of anylitcis guys in managment now but they are smart enough to look past it when the numbers say something completely ridiculous .
- Santo_44

how do any of us know what they do?

i'm questioning whether a younger goalie like subban would have been better to build with.
- Tumbleweed

Andersen gives them the stopgap they need for the next 5 years that they need to draft and develop some homegrown talent. He's more of a sure thing than any young goalie that might be available at this point in time. This deal makes it probable that they won't be on fire for the next couple of years while the young kids develop.

If they want him they can still get him. Hes not NHL ready or proven IMO.
- Bigzby

i suspect they draft a goalie. Most goalies are probably 5 years away for the 2016 class.

Lupul, Michalek, Bozak, Laich, Greening and Bernier = That's about 25 million and none of those guys will be Leafs by this time next year.
- The Law

I could see Laich Staying. But the rest are

I could see Laich Staying. But the rest are


- Bigzby

Brad Marchand?

Raycroft was in the Italian league within four years of the Leafs buying him out in 2008. Toskala struggled through two dozen games in Finland before burning his equipment in a drunken fit and never playing hockey again.


- golfingsince

This has me wondering. What's Pogge up to these days?

This has me wondering. What's Pogge up to these days?
- PlatosRepucklic

not getting $1.643 million per year for 14 years

he played 54 (started 53) and then 16 playoff games as a starter thats 69 games started 2yrs ago.


played 43 (high 30s for starts) last year and 5 playoff games
- poohcrumbs

But he hasn't started 60+ regular season games

Some more perspective.

Andersen, at 5 milly, is the 18th highest paid 'tender in the league. Sounds about right to me.
- The Law

Right now. 5 years from now he'll be much lower.

This has me wondering. What's Pogge up to these days?
- PlatosRepucklic

goaltender with HC Slovan Bratislava of the Kontinental Hockey League

Andersen gives them the stopgap they need for the next 5 years that they need to draft and develop some homegrown talent. He's more of a sure thing than any young goalie that might be available at this point in time. This deal makes it probable that they won't be on fire for the next couple of years while the young kids develop.
- TheMussel

Toronto tends to eat up goalies. We’ll see if he has the metal to deal with.

I’m hopeful that with babcock on board, Andersen will be put in a better position to succeed than some of the past goalies.

It’s very much wait and see for me.

But he hasn't started 60+ regular season games
- Mr_Smokey

playoff games have more value . He started 69 games that year

how do any of us know what they do?
- senstroll

They throw darts at pictures.

You guys figure it out yet?
- BINGO!

But he hasn't started 60+ regular season games
- Mr_Smokey

Neither did Matt Murray and he won a cup.

how do any of us know what they do?
- senstroll

We don't...but given some of the moves they've made they allow themselves to look past anylitcis when they should. It's a great reference but that's all it is. Some people and writers think it's the be all and end all and whatever they say is true.

playoff games have more value . He started 69 games that year
- poohcrumbs

He's unproven was the point I was making.
I have no issue with the money or the cap hit, 5 years was too long though.

Lupul, Michalek, Bozak, Laich, Greening and Bernier = That's about 25 million and none of those guys will be Leafs by this time next year.
- The Law

Ideally.

Lupul will be hard to move.

Toronto tends to eat up goalies. We’ll see if he has the metal to deal with.

I’m hopeful that with babcock on board, Andersen will be put in a better position to succeed than some of the past goalies.

It’s very much wait and see for me.
- Tumbleweed

It's all anyone can do.

Mettle