I like using anylitcis as a reference but when they tell you Franson is the best player in the NHL and the NJ Devils are one of the best teams then you know they aren't always right.
- Santo_44

What I hate is the criticism of good old +/- as being a team stat.

But when the entire LA Kings team has great Corsi / Fenwick, there is no "team" or "coaching" component to that?

Only time will tell. Taking a calculated risk like this is better than just drafting an 18 year old and hoping he makes something of himself in 4-5 years.

That and they didn't have to empty the cupboards to do it like they did in years past.
- 1979AD

I dont think either pick was ours.

Theres also no reason they cant draft a goalie as well.

TMLfans love hysterics. LOVE THEM.

Only time will tell. Taking a calculated risk like this is better than just drafting an 18 year old and hoping he makes something of himself in 4-5 years.

That and they didn't have to empty the cupboards to do it like they did in years past.
- 1979AD

The price was fair in acquiring possibly the best goalie available in a soft goalie market. There will be lots of goalies being tossed out there with the upcoming expansion draft looming. MAF, Crawford and Hillier. Reimer will probably sign in Calgary, and don't forget how much manure Detroit will have to swallow to move Howard's contract out. Leafs needed a goalie bad and beat every other team to the punch. I bet Burke popped a blood vessel when he heard about this trade. Lou's track record with goalies is not too bad.

I (frank)ing knew sweet Lou wasn't about to tolerate not having a starter

Matthews up next, then Stammer

Exciting times in leafs nation
- WingmanWillie

81 more hours!!!

What I hate is the criticism of good old +/- as being a team stat.

But when the entire LA Kings team has great Corsi / Fenwick, there is no "team" or "coaching" component to that?
- Aetherial

There is no team or coaching only ZUUL.

First of all.. is Vesey really all that good? Is he worth pursuing and giving a top 6 role? I'm sure he's ready for the big stage, but does he improve our top 6?

also he'll probably sign in Buffalo or Boston.. Seems like he wants to play with Eichel. Its not that easy to tell your friend (Jack) that the team he is stuck with isn't good enough for him.

If the Leafs do get him, does he take up a protection spot for the expansion draft?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I don't think so?

Who knows if he is that good. A lot of people here, me included, weren't really buying into the hype 2 months ago... the last time there was any real discussion about him.

First of all.. is Vesey really all that good? Is he worth pursuing and giving a top 6 role? I'm sure he's ready for the big stage, but does he improve our top 6?

also he'll probably sign in Buffalo or Boston.. Seems like he wants to play with Eichel. Its not that easy to tell your friend (Jack) that the team he is stuck with isn't good enough for him.

If the Leafs do get him, does he take up a protection spot for the expansion draft?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Vesey's agent says he's still going to market. waste of a 3rd rounder

The price was fair in acquiring possibly the best goalie available in a soft goalie market. There will be lots of goalies being tossed out there with the upcoming expansion draft looming. MAF, Crawford and Hillier. Reimer will probably sign in Calgary, and don't forget how much manure Detroit will have to swallow to move Howard's contract out. Leafs needed a goalie bad and beat every other team to the punch. I bet Burke popped a blood vessel when he heard about this trade. Lou's track record with goalies is not too bad.
- winsix

His tie immediately unknotted itself and the top 2 buttons of his shirt popped off.

His tie immediately unknotted itself and the top 2 buttons of his shirt popped off.
- Bigzby

I'm pretty sure that's his look when he rolls out of bed in the morning.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We will see how he does...The Leafs obviously see something ..because 5x5 is a big commitment
- senstroll

Yup, Lou's stuck his butt on the line on this one. We'll see.

Vollman is a toolbox who thinks he is an analytics guru. His predictions for the 4 top contending teams in 2016 were in this order: LA, Dallas, Chicago and Washington. Not one of those teams were in the finals. He had the opportunity pick 4 teams of 16, two were eliminated in the first round, the other two in the second round. He doesn't make many predictions though, he is so poop at it, it would be bad for business. Andersen is a very good goalie who will be an elite goalie as a Leaf.
- winsix

Wow ..what a crazy prediction

Yup, Lou's stuck his butt on the line on this one. We'll see.
- The Law

Look at the options (UFA and RFA), seems like the safest and best bet to me

Karri Ramo G Left CGY 29 $3,800,000 1 year UFAUFA
James Reimer G Left SJS 27 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Ben Scrivens G Left MTL 29 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anton Khudobin G Left ANA 29 $2,250,000 2 years UFAUFA
Alex Stalock G Left TOR 28 $1,600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Chad Johnson G Left BUF 29 $1,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Darcy Kuemper G Left MIN 25 $1,250,000 2 years RFARFA
Jhonas Enroth G Left LAK 27 $1,250,000 1 year UFAUFA
Al Montoya G Left FLA 30 $1,050,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anders Nilsson G Left STL 25 $1,000,000 1 year RFARFA
Justin Peters G Left WSH 29 $950,000 2 years UFAUFA
Brody Hoffman G Left MIN 24 $925,000 1 year RFARFA
Anders Lindback G Left ARI 27 $875,000 1 year UFAUFA
Calvin Pickard G Left COL 23 $850,500 1 year RFARFA
Joel Rumpel G Left SJS 24 $850,000 1 year RFARFA
Sam Brittain G Left FLA 23 $755,000 2 years RFARFA
Petr Mrazek G Left DET 23 $737,500 1 year RFARFA
Sami Aittokallio G Left COL 23 $735,000 1 year RFARFA
Carter Hutton G Left NSH 30 $725,000 2 years UFAUFA
Pheonix Copley G Left STL 23 $705,000 2 years RFARFA
Jonas Gustavsson G Left BOS 31 $700,000 1 year UFAUFA
Garret Sparks G Left TOR 22 $670,000 3 years RFARFA
Jason Kasdorf G Left BUF 23 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Treutle G Left ARI 24 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Lundstrom G Left EDM 22 $655,833 3 years RFARFA
Christopher Gibson G Left NYI 23 $650,000 3 years RFARFA
Kevin Poulin G Left CGY 25 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Jack Campbell G Left DAL 23 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Rasmus Tirronen G Left CAR 25 $645,000 1 year RFARFA
Jordan Binnington G Left STL 22 $636,666 3 years RFARFA
Patrik Bartosak G Left LAK 22 $620,000 3 years RFARFA
Kristers Gudlevskis G Left TBL 23 $608,333 3 years RFARFA
Louis Domingue G Right ARI 23 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Nathan Lieuwen G Left BUF 24 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Tom McCollum G Left DET 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Cedrick Desjardins G Right NYR 30 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Joe Cannata G Left VAN 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Jeremy Smith G Left BOS 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jared Coreau G Left DET 24 $600,000 1 year RFARFA
Joni Ortio G Left CGY 24 $600,000 2 years RFARFA
Ray Emery G Left PHI 33 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jason Labarbera G Left PHI 35 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jeff Zatkoff G Left PIT 28 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Maxime Lagace G Left DAL 22 $581,666 3 years RFARFA
Andrey Makarov G Left BUF 22 $578,333 3 years RFARFA
Yann Danis G Left NJD 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dan Ellis G Left WSH 35 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Hutchinson G Right WPG 25 $575,000 2 years RFARFA
Aaron Dell G Left SJS 26 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Leighton G Left CHI 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dustin Tokarski G Left ANA 26 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
Jean-Francois Berube G Left NYI 24 $562,500 2 years RFARFA

Yup, Lou's stuck his butt on the line on this one. We'll see.
- The Law

that's how it is with goalies, any goalie. Andersen is quite established and Ducks fans are worried they gave up the wrong goalie.

Everyone needs to start spelling his name right. It's andersen, not Anderson, who is the sens goalie.

Andersen will make a fine #1. He has had that spot with anahiem before and did well with it. I watched a lot of andersen games this year since I had him on my fantasy and we will be more than happy with him. Goalies need to be big, and athletic, which are 2 things that andersen possess.

I would like for the leafs to add another top 4 defenseman and this team will look like they are ready to start pushing for a playoff spot. Especially if Stamkos comes as well.

I like using anylitcis as a reference but when they tell you Franson is the best player in the NHL and the NJ Devils are one of the best teams then you know they aren't always right.
- Santo_44

and thats fine.. nobody says they are.
Why does it have to be 100% correct?

Look at the options (UFA and RFA), seems like the safest and best bet to me

Karri Ramo G Left CGY 29 $3,800,000 1 year UFAUFA
James Reimer G Left SJS 27 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Ben Scrivens G Left MTL 29 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anton Khudobin G Left ANA 29 $2,250,000 2 years UFAUFA
Alex Stalock G Left TOR 28 $1,600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Chad Johnson G Left BUF 29 $1,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Darcy Kuemper G Left MIN 25 $1,250,000 2 years RFARFA
Jhonas Enroth G Left LAK 27 $1,250,000 1 year UFAUFA
Al Montoya G Left FLA 30 $1,050,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anders Nilsson G Left STL 25 $1,000,000 1 year RFARFA
Justin Peters G Left WSH 29 $950,000 2 years UFAUFA
Brody Hoffman G Left MIN 24 $925,000 1 year RFARFA
Anders Lindback G Left ARI 27 $875,000 1 year UFAUFA
Calvin Pickard G Left COL 23 $850,500 1 year RFARFA
Joel Rumpel G Left SJS 24 $850,000 1 year RFARFA
Sam Brittain G Left FLA 23 $755,000 2 years RFARFA
Petr Mrazek G Left DET 23 $737,500 1 year RFARFA
Sami Aittokallio G Left COL 23 $735,000 1 year RFARFA
Carter Hutton G Left NSH 30 $725,000 2 years UFAUFA
Pheonix Copley G Left STL 23 $705,000 2 years RFARFA
Jonas Gustavsson G Left BOS 31 $700,000 1 year UFAUFA
Garret Sparks G Left TOR 22 $670,000 3 years RFARFA
Jason Kasdorf G Left BUF 23 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Treutle G Left ARI 24 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Lundstrom G Left EDM 22 $655,833 3 years RFARFA
Christopher Gibson G Left NYI 23 $650,000 3 years RFARFA
Kevin Poulin G Left CGY 25 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Jack Campbell G Left DAL 23 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Rasmus Tirronen G Left CAR 25 $645,000 1 year RFARFA
Jordan Binnington G Left STL 22 $636,666 3 years RFARFA
Patrik Bartosak G Left LAK 22 $620,000 3 years RFARFA
Kristers Gudlevskis G Left TBL 23 $608,333 3 years RFARFA
Louis Domingue G Right ARI 23 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Nathan Lieuwen G Left BUF 24 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Tom McCollum G Left DET 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Cedrick Desjardins G Right NYR 30 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Joe Cannata G Left VAN 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Jeremy Smith G Left BOS 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jared Coreau G Left DET 24 $600,000 1 year RFARFA
Joni Ortio G Left CGY 24 $600,000 2 years RFARFA
Ray Emery G Left PHI 33 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jason Labarbera G Left PHI 35 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jeff Zatkoff G Left PIT 28 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Maxime Lagace G Left DAL 22 $581,666 3 years RFARFA
Andrey Makarov G Left BUF 22 $578,333 3 years RFARFA
Yann Danis G Left NJD 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dan Ellis G Left WSH 35 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Hutchinson G Right WPG 25 $575,000 2 years RFARFA
Aaron Dell G Left SJS 26 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Leighton G Left CHI 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dustin Tokarski G Left ANA 26 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
Jean-Francois Berube G Left NYI 24 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
- Bigzby

necessary...so thanks

Everyone needs to start spelling his name right. It's andersen, not Anderson, who is the sens goalie.

Andersen will make a fine #1. He has had that spot with anahiem before and did well with it. I watched a lot of andersen games this year since I had him on my fantasy and we will be more than happy with him. Goalies need to be big, and athletic, which are 2 things that andersen possess.

I would like for the leafs to add another top 4 defenseman and this team will look like they are ready to start pushing for a playoff spot. Especially if Stamkos comes as well.
- matt1337

How many cups does Arn ANDERSON (same guy right?)win us in the next 5 years.

Look at the options (UFA and RFA), seems like the safest and best bet to me

Karri Ramo G Left CGY 29 $3,800,000 1 year UFAUFA
James Reimer G Left SJS 27 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Ben Scrivens G Left MTL 29 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anton Khudobin G Left ANA 29 $2,250,000 2 years UFAUFA
Alex Stalock G Left TOR 28 $1,600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Chad Johnson G Left BUF 29 $1,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Darcy Kuemper G Left MIN 25 $1,250,000 2 years RFARFA
Jhonas Enroth G Left LAK 27 $1,250,000 1 year UFAUFA
Al Montoya G Left FLA 30 $1,050,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anders Nilsson G Left STL 25 $1,000,000 1 year RFARFA
Justin Peters G Left WSH 29 $950,000 2 years UFAUFA
Brody Hoffman G Left MIN 24 $925,000 1 year RFARFA
Anders Lindback G Left ARI 27 $875,000 1 year UFAUFA
Calvin Pickard G Left COL 23 $850,500 1 year RFARFA
Joel Rumpel G Left SJS 24 $850,000 1 year RFARFA
Sam Brittain G Left FLA 23 $755,000 2 years RFARFA
Petr Mrazek G Left DET 23 $737,500 1 year RFARFA
Sami Aittokallio G Left COL 23 $735,000 1 year RFARFA
Carter Hutton G Left NSH 30 $725,000 2 years UFAUFA
Pheonix Copley G Left STL 23 $705,000 2 years RFARFA
Jonas Gustavsson G Left BOS 31 $700,000 1 year UFAUFA
Garret Sparks G Left TOR 22 $670,000 3 years RFARFA
Jason Kasdorf G Left BUF 23 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Treutle G Left ARI 24 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Lundstrom G Left EDM 22 $655,833 3 years RFARFA
Christopher Gibson G Left NYI 23 $650,000 3 years RFARFA
Kevin Poulin G Left CGY 25 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Jack Campbell G Left DAL 23 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Rasmus Tirronen G Left CAR 25 $645,000 1 year RFARFA
Jordan Binnington G Left STL 22 $636,666 3 years RFARFA
Patrik Bartosak G Left LAK 22 $620,000 3 years RFARFA
Kristers Gudlevskis G Left TBL 23 $608,333 3 years RFARFA
Louis Domingue G Right ARI 23 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Nathan Lieuwen G Left BUF 24 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Tom McCollum G Left DET 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Cedrick Desjardins G Right NYR 30 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Joe Cannata G Left VAN 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Jeremy Smith G Left BOS 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jared Coreau G Left DET 24 $600,000 1 year RFARFA
Joni Ortio G Left CGY 24 $600,000 2 years RFARFA
Ray Emery G Left PHI 33 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jason Labarbera G Left PHI 35 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jeff Zatkoff G Left PIT 28 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Maxime Lagace G Left DAL 22 $581,666 3 years RFARFA
Andrey Makarov G Left BUF 22 $578,333 3 years RFARFA
Yann Danis G Left NJD 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dan Ellis G Left WSH 35 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Hutchinson G Right WPG 25 $575,000 2 years RFARFA
Aaron Dell G Left SJS 26 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Leighton G Left CHI 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dustin Tokarski G Left ANA 26 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
Jean-Francois Berube G Left NYI 24 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
- Bigzby

Don't forget Bryz

http://www2.tsn.ca/bardow...izarre%2Btweets&id=576626

necessary...so thanks
- YuenglingJagr

Im pretty much known as the least helpful person on the boards. So Welcome.

6'4 goalie with upside signed for 5 years/5m through his prime. This is could work out well. And it could not.
- 1979AD

I think he is overrated slightly, but he was the best out of the younger/RFA goalies. It was an overpayment on the trade and the contract, but the Leafs have the assets to do it and not suffer as much

Im pretty much known as the least helpful person on the boards. So Welcome.
- Bigzby

I learn something every day!

First of all.. is Vesey really all that good? Is he worth pursuing and giving a top 6 role? I'm sure he's ready for the big stage, but does he improve our top 6?

also he'll probably sign in Buffalo or Boston.. Seems like he wants to play with Eichel. Its not that easy to tell your friend (Jack) that the team he is stuck with isn't good enough for him.

If the Leafs do get him, does he take up a protection spot for the expansion draft?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

If he's a free asset and is available for next to nothing (~950K), you take him regardless of where he ends up on the depth chart. Worst case you let him walk as a UFA. Basically a win/win signing.

Look at the options (UFA and RFA), seems like the safest and best bet to me

Karri Ramo G Left CGY 29 $3,800,000 1 year UFAUFA
James Reimer G Left SJS 27 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Ben Scrivens G Left MTL 29 $2,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anton Khudobin G Left ANA 29 $2,250,000 2 years UFAUFA
Alex Stalock G Left TOR 28 $1,600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Chad Johnson G Left BUF 29 $1,300,000 2 years UFAUFA
Darcy Kuemper G Left MIN 25 $1,250,000 2 years RFARFA
Jhonas Enroth G Left LAK 27 $1,250,000 1 year UFAUFA
Al Montoya G Left FLA 30 $1,050,000 2 years UFAUFA
Anders Nilsson G Left STL 25 $1,000,000 1 year RFARFA
Justin Peters G Left WSH 29 $950,000 2 years UFAUFA
Brody Hoffman G Left MIN 24 $925,000 1 year RFARFA
Anders Lindback G Left ARI 27 $875,000 1 year UFAUFA
Calvin Pickard G Left COL 23 $850,500 1 year RFARFA
Joel Rumpel G Left SJS 24 $850,000 1 year RFARFA
Sam Brittain G Left FLA 23 $755,000 2 years RFARFA
Petr Mrazek G Left DET 23 $737,500 1 year RFARFA
Sami Aittokallio G Left COL 23 $735,000 1 year RFARFA
Carter Hutton G Left NSH 30 $725,000 2 years UFAUFA
Pheonix Copley G Left STL 23 $705,000 2 years RFARFA
Jonas Gustavsson G Left BOS 31 $700,000 1 year UFAUFA
Garret Sparks G Left TOR 22 $670,000 3 years RFARFA
Jason Kasdorf G Left BUF 23 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Treutle G Left ARI 24 $667,500 1 year RFARFA
Niklas Lundstrom G Left EDM 22 $655,833 3 years RFARFA
Christopher Gibson G Left NYI 23 $650,000 3 years RFARFA
Kevin Poulin G Left CGY 25 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Jack Campbell G Left DAL 23 $650,000 1 year RFARFA
Rasmus Tirronen G Left CAR 25 $645,000 1 year RFARFA
Jordan Binnington G Left STL 22 $636,666 3 years RFARFA
Patrik Bartosak G Left LAK 22 $620,000 3 years RFARFA
Kristers Gudlevskis G Left TBL 23 $608,333 3 years RFARFA
Louis Domingue G Right ARI 23 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Nathan Lieuwen G Left BUF 24 $605,000 1 year RFARFA
Tom McCollum G Left DET 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Cedrick Desjardins G Right NYR 30 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Joe Cannata G Left VAN 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA (VI)
Jeremy Smith G Left BOS 26 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jared Coreau G Left DET 24 $600,000 1 year RFARFA
Joni Ortio G Left CGY 24 $600,000 2 years RFARFA
Ray Emery G Left PHI 33 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jason Labarbera G Left PHI 35 $600,000 1 year UFAUFA
Jeff Zatkoff G Left PIT 28 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA
Maxime Lagace G Left DAL 22 $581,666 3 years RFARFA
Andrey Makarov G Left BUF 22 $578,333 3 years RFARFA
Yann Danis G Left NJD 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dan Ellis G Left WSH 35 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Hutchinson G Right WPG 25 $575,000 2 years RFARFA
Aaron Dell G Left SJS 26 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Michael Leighton G Left CHI 34 $575,000 1 year UFAUFA
Dustin Tokarski G Left ANA 26 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
Jean-Francois Berube G Left NYI 24 $562,500 2 years RFARFA
- Bigzby

The price wasn't "bad" - although I thought it might be cheaper b/c there were really only the Leafs and Flames hunting for goalies. The bigger question is will Andersen be a 5 million dollar goalie. None of us know ...but, over the last 3-4 years he's been pretty comparable (Save%) to these guys we've come to hate.

Wonder if the Leafs try to sign Jeff Zatkoff G Left PIT 28 $600,000 2 years UFAUFA as their backup next season.

Wow ..what a crazy prediction
- senstroll

He took 3 from the west?

*** I predict one of the top 8 western conference teams will push through the adversity this year and reach the finals***