Lou knows goalies. He traded a top 10 pick for Cory Schneider. That worked out well for the Devils. Time will tell, but you have to look at what they gave up. The last pick in the first round and a third rounder.....neither where their own. We now have a starter, a possible asset in Bernier and an opportunity to go after a Kevin Shattenkirk for someone like Kadri. I am against a Stamkos signing, but see it more possible, after this deal. If they can indeed sign Stamkos and add a player like Shattenkirk, the rebuild is almost complete and they'll make a move into playoff contention this year.
- PrinceLH

You're gonna get Burn pissed off.

Where does Kadri fit, if we end up signing Stamkos and draft Matthews? Third line centre? Better to shore up the defense, if we have two great centre's ahead of him. You'd get more for Kadri and could use Bozak on the third line for a couple of more years.
- PrinceLH

no one gets signed to that contract and then traded the same summer. people need to give this up

no one gets signed to that contract and then traded the same summer. people need to give this up
- DarcyTucker16

Having 3 very good centers would suck

Where does Kadri fit, if we end up signing Stamkos and draft Matthews? Third line centre? Better to shore up the defense, if we have two great centre's ahead of him. You'd get more for Kadri and could use Bozak on the third line for a couple of more years.
- PrinceLH

Next year he fan play 2C.. And that's only if we get Stamkos.. Gotta have strength down the middle. He's on a good contract, no point in moving him..

Where does Kadri fit, if we end up signing Stamkos and draft Matthews? Third line centre? Better to shore up the defense, if we have two great centre's ahead of him. You'd get more for Kadri and could use Bozak on the third line for a couple of more years.
- PrinceLH

Oh boy, here we go again.

Having 3 very good centers would suck
- ClarksonDavid

no kidding... plus komarov kadri soshnikov seemed to have chemistry... that sounds like a pretty fun 3rd line to me

Late to the party but awsome trade

The reason that Bernier is a possible asset, is the need by many teams for experienced goaltenders. Brian Burke has kicked the tires on Bernier a number of times. As the UFA goaltenders or goaltenders on the market are snapped up, Bernier becomes a possible target at a modest price. Could he get a third? Maybe a salary dump for a year plus a pick.

I don't know why you think that I bumped my head last October. I was totally on board for the Tank and wanted them to finish dead last and take their best shot at number 1. Now that they have it, it clarifies and solidifies their centre position. It's been needed for a decade. I'm not sold on Stamkos, not because of his talent, but his cap hit. To add Stamkos on the 30th place team, with no goaltending and substandard defense, it would have been a waste and would have downgraded future drafting positions. It only makes sense if we have a great goalie and come up with a top 2 defenseman. The goaltender is now in the fold, now we need that defenseman. Shattenkirk fits the bill.
- PrinceLH

Teams actually want good goaltenders.

So they don't want Bernier.

Oh boy, here we go again.
- sloppyseconds2

Bozak gets you very little in a trade. Kadri gets you a solid asset. We're talking third line here. How much powerplay time does Kadri see, with Stamkos and Matthews on the team? His numbers would be diminished and the asset becomes diminished. If Stamkos is signed, then the cap gets tight. That Kadri money is better spent on a good defenseman.

I wonder if Winnipeg would bite, for Jacob Trouba?

no one gets signed to that contract and then traded the same summer. people need to give this up
- DarcyTucker16

Exactly. Trading a guy right after they sign a long contract with decent term is just classless and makes the whole organization look bad to other players around the league.

The only way this sort of thing is acceptable is if its some planned out sign and trade they already worked out with everyone involved.

Bozak gets you very little in a trade. Kadri gets you a solid asset. We're talking third line here. How much powerplay time does Kadri see, with Stamkos and Matthews on the team? His numbers would be diminished and the asset becomes diminished. If Stamkos is signed, then the cap gets tight. That Kadri money is better spent on a good defenseman.

I wonder if Winnipeg would bite, for Jacob Trouba?
- PrinceLH

2 centres on a PP has never ever been done before

Teams actually want good goaltenders.

So they don't want Bernier.
- Atomic Wedgie

Problem is, there isn't allot of good ones available, on the secondary market. Unless you want to pay, like the Leafs did, you don't get one. Leafs actually used their assets, the last two years, to gain those extra picks, to get this kind of deal done. Does someone like Calgary have the assets to make such a deal? They may want to go the cheap route, thinking that they can unlock the talent that the Leafs could not.

Bozak gets you very little in a trade. Kadri gets you a solid asset. We're talking third line here. How much powerplay time does Kadri see, with Stamkos and Matthews on the team? His numbers would be diminished and the asset becomes diminished. If Stamkos is signed, then the cap gets tight. That Kadri money is better spent on a good defenseman.

I wonder if Winnipeg would bite, for Jacob Trouba?
- PrinceLH

If Stamkos was added to this team he would play LW on the power play. Kadri would play centre on the 2nd unit. If Nazem Kadri is your 3C, you've done something right.

Bozak gets you very little in a trade. Kadri gets you a solid asset. We're talking third line here. How much powerplay time does Kadri see, with Stamkos and Matthews on the team? His numbers would be diminished and the asset becomes diminished. If Stamkos is signed, then the cap gets tight. That Kadri money is better spent on a good defenseman.

I wonder if Winnipeg would bite, for Jacob Trouba?
- PrinceLH

Kadri will be the centre on the second PP unit. Either Stamkos or Matthews can play the point.


Keep Kadri, trade Bozak. Who cares if you can get more for Kadri? The Leafs haven't had centre depth like this in my entire life. Besides, Bozak blows.

2 centres on a PP has never ever been done before
- DarcyTucker16

You have to look at what you have at centre and on the wing. JVR? Marner? Nylander? Who do you replace here? Who is to say that the Leafs don't make a trade for a larger winger to compliment their top 2 lines?

Kadri will be the centre on the second PP unit. Either Stamkos or Matthews can play the point.


Keep Kadri, trade Bozak. Who cares if you can get more for Kadri? The Leafs haven't had centre depth like this in my entire life. Besides, Bozak blows.
- Steven_Seagull

So Rielly on the point and who? Wasn't that the reason that they went out and grabbed Zietzev to be the right shooting powerplay specialist?

Bozak gets you very little in a trade. Kadri gets you a solid asset. We're talking third line here. How much powerplay time does Kadri see, with Stamkos and Matthews on the team? His numbers would be diminished and the asset becomes diminished. If Stamkos is signed, then the cap gets tight. That Kadri money is better spent on a good defenseman.

I wonder if Winnipeg would bite, for Jacob Trouba?
- PrinceLH

I really don't care,I was waiting for Burn to respond.

You have to look at what you have at centre and on the wing. JVR? Marner? Nylander? Who do you replace here? Who is to say that the Leafs don't make a trade for a larger winger to compliment their top 2 lines?
- PrinceLH

so you're saying trade kadri over bozak because of a hypothetical trade for a winger that isn't rumoured? plus you only named 3 wingers... PP need 4 so kadri fits... not to mention forwards can play the point especially on an umbrella set up.. kadris got good vision to play that.

You have to look at what you have at centre and on the wing. JVR? Marner? Nylander? Who do you replace here? Who is to say that the Leafs don't make a trade for a larger winger to compliment their top 2 lines?
- PrinceLH

Size on the wings isn't necessary to win anymore. It's better to have a skilled team hovering around 6' then it is to have a few big guys playing roles they shouldn't because they "compliment" their line.

So Rielly on the point and who? Wasn't that the reason that they went out and grabbed Zietzev to be the right shooting powerplay specialist?
- PrinceLH

Stamkos - Matthews - Marner

Zeitzev - Rielly


JVR - Kadri - Nylander

Carrick - Gardiner

So Rielly on the point and who? Wasn't that the reason that they went out and grabbed Zietzev to be the right shooting powerplay specialist?
- PrinceLH

In this made up world where Stamkos signs I think it would be


Stamkos -Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Reilly

That's your end game power play by the time you're competitive.

Stamkos - Matthews - Marner

Zeitzev - Rielly


JVR - Kadri - Nylander

Carrick - Gardiner



- Steven_Seagull

Wasn't playing the wing on Tampa the reason that Stamkos wanted to leave?

Wasn't playing the wing on Tampa the reason that Stamkos wanted to leave?
- PrinceLH

I thought we were talking about the PP?

In this made up world where Stamkos signs I think it would be


Stamkos -Matthews - Marner
Nylander - Reilly

That's your end game power play by the time you're competitive.
- BetterCallSaul

3 guys under 20. Not probable.

I thought we were talking about the PP?
- Steven_Seagull

We are. You don't take Stamkos away from the left circle on the power play. That would be asinine.