Ederle to Nashville for Ellis

Ederle to Nashville for Ellis
- K-man25

How about Eberle and Yak for Hamonic

word from the wise from a Jets fan, stay away from Bogo. Dont make bad D trades in back to back drafts.

How about Eberle and Yak for Hamonic
- prismo

interesting

Overheard in the sens thread

Ottawa sends Hoffman, Ceci and #12 to Edmonton for Hall and #4.
- Spatso

Is it just me or ...

Sorry in advance to others for the length of my retort.


There's the rub, these top-3 D in the draft are also elite prospects. I don't get why anyone is worried about replacing any of our forwards. Assuming McDavid, Draisaitl, and one of Hall, Nuge, and Eberle sticks around, that's a comparable top-3 offensive players to any competitive team in the league.

If you look at the best teams in the league, most of them operate with 3 high scoring (55+ points) forwards and one high scoring Dman (40+ points)- give or take one to either category.

Kane, Panarin, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook

Benn, Seguin, Spezza, Sharp, and Klingberg

Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Muzzin, and Doughty

Thornton, Couture (inj), Pavelski, Marleau/Hertl (high 40s), and Burns

Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Hornqvist, and Letang

Johnson (inj), Stamkos, Kucherov, Palat (inj), and Hedman

Tarasenko, Stastny (inj), Steen (inj), Shattenkirk, and Pietrangelo (inj)

McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall/Eberle/Nuge, ________, and MAYBE Klefbom

What all those teams have that Edmonton lacks is a strong D corps and sufficient depth (capable of scoring 25-40 points) to fill in for/with those players when times get tough. So why oh WHY is it such a task to trade one or more of our "golden kids" without having a perfect, near-exact replacement?
- MaximumBone

I think sometimes the expectation of the return is too high for the "golden kids". On the other hand, some of the trade proposals involving those guys are pretty funny.

The one above from Spatso is at least interesting (I'm a big fan of Ceci)... until he states that Edmonton and Ottawa would have to swap picks

Hendo complained and got Iggy banned. Weak.

Sorry in advance to others for the length of my retort.


There's the rub, these top-3 D in the draft are also elite prospects. I don't get why anyone is worried about replacing any of our forwards. Assuming McDavid, Draisaitl, and one of Hall, Nuge, and Eberle sticks around, that's a comparable top-3 offensive players to any competitive team in the league.

If you look at the best teams in the league, most of them operate with 3 high scoring (55+ points) forwards and one high scoring Dman (40+ points)- give or take one to either category.

Kane, Panarin, Toews, Keith, and Seabrook

Benn, Seguin, Spezza, Sharp, and Klingberg

Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Muzzin, and Doughty

Thornton, Couture (inj), Pavelski, Marleau/Hertl (high 40s), and Burns

Crosby, Malkin, Kessel, Hornqvist, and Letang

Johnson (inj), Stamkos, Kucherov, Palat (inj), and Hedman

Tarasenko, Stastny (inj), Steen (inj), Shattenkirk, and Pietrangelo (inj)

McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall/Eberle/Nuge, ________, and MAYBE Klefbom

What all those teams have that Edmonton lacks is a strong D corps and sufficient depth (capable of scoring 25-40 points) to fill in for/with those players when times get tough. So why oh WHY is it such a task to trade one or more of our "golden kids" without having a perfect, near-exact replacement?
- MaximumBone

I am one hoping they don't trade away the core but only because I think their value will be huge next year. Even if the team improves a little that should translate into a great year for the top 5 core players.

That said, if there was a really good dman out there then by all means. I just don't see anyone shopping a dman that is worth one of our core. There are many out there, they just don't seem to be on the block. What I am hearing is out there is Lindholm, Vatenen, Brodin, Dumba, Barrie, Shattenkirk... All great defense men but with the exception of the Shattenkirk, I don't know if any are worth a top forward straight across.

I also think if we are trading a core player, then we should keep the draft pick to replace them. The defence men in the top 10 may be elite but that is not a sure thing. When scouts have such a variance on who might be a top defender, it seems like the SAFEST bet is to take the best player available at 4. Which is either Tkachuk or Dubois. The Oilers have no real forwards in the system that aren't on the team.

If everyone was saying that Sergachyov should be top or at least in the top 10, then I would feel more comfortable about it. However some have him ranked third of fourth. I would rather trade for a guy like Dumba with our pick rather than trading down. Min wants to shed salary on their blue line and I hear are willing to part with Brodin and Dumba. At 22 and 21 respectively these would help. Dumba has huge offensive ability and I like him to be a potential top line RHD. Just an example. I don't think drafting a defender is the safest bet (although I hear Min wants Nuge in return).

Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can rip on Sekeras all you want, but A) he's an upgrade over Petry, B) he's our best Defender, and C) his contract is pretty fair UFA value.


Time you take that Bleach and Amonia bath?
- Jeropotato

He very well might be our best defender but it is not fair to put him on the first line on the Oilers. Maybe Sekeras will stay top line if we add someone decent with him. I can't agree that 5.5 mil long term with a NMC was a good contract. He was an improvement but the Oil need to get better than him or they will never be playoff contenders. If they get someone like Demers, who I think is on the same skill level as Sekeras, they still won't win. If they add two decent guys and run a top 4 then they might be okay but that would count a lot on Talbot. Demers and Hamhuis for example played along side Klef and Sekeras respectively. Might work. However this is only the solution if Nurse, Griffin, Davidson or Klef can turn into a top pairing guy eventually. Hopefully two of them can.

Nurse for Trouba

Hall and Musil for Hamonic, Nelson, and Dal Colle

Nuge for Dumba

Nuge for Savard, Rychel, and a 2nd

Yak for Eller (.5mil retained)

Griffith for $20 and a kick in the balls

4th overall for 8th overall and Girgensons or Pysyk

All these are trades that, on one level or another, have been agreed to by at least one fan of the opposing teams. Any opinions?

Nurse for Trouba

Hall and Musil for Hamonic, Nelson, and Dal Colle

Nuge for Dumba

Nuge for Savard, Rychel, and a 2nd

Yak for Eller (.5mil retained)

Griffith for $20 and a kick in the balls

4th overall for 8th overall and Girgensons or Pysyk

All these are trades that, on one level or another, have been agreed to by at least one fan of the opposing teams. Any opinions?
- MaximumBone

You been shopping I see. I don't like the Hall deal, Dal Colle is going to be a bigger bust than Yak in my opinion and I'd prefer Strome (likely on wing) over Nelson probably.

I also don't like the deal where Nuge is offered for Savard, Rychel and a 2nd. I think with expansion and being up against the cap that a D-man like Savard could be acquired without giving up a piece as valuable as Nuge.

Nurse for Trouba might be the best deal in terms of improving the Oilers right now but it could also be the one that bites them in the ass long-term the hardest.

You been shopping I see. I don't like the Hall deal, Dal Colle is going to be a bigger bust than Yak in my opinion and I'd prefer Strome (likely on wing) over Nelson probably.

I also don't like the deal where Nuge is offered for Savard, Rychel and a 2nd. I think with expansion and being up against the cap that a D-man like Savard could be acquired without giving up a piece as valuable as Nuge.

Nurse for Trouba might be the best deal in terms of improving the Oilers right now but it could also be the one that bites them in the ass long-term the hardest.
- RonPielep

I prefer Nelson because he's shown more scoring consistency than Strome, but I can see your point. Getting another RH shot would be helpful in this situation. Maybe sub out Dal Colle for the 19th pick. All these avenues were presented at the time of the trade suggestion so I don't see those types of adjustments causing any problems.

I can see your point value-wise on the Savard deal, but my line of thinking comes from a.) wanting to guarantee that we'd get him, and b.) we're better served moving some cap out one way or another if we're planning on acquiring two top-4 Dmen.

As far as the last one, I see no reason it would come back and bite aside from losing an expansion exempt asset in return for one that needs to be protected. I think Trouba's long term potential is pretty much equal (maybe a bit higher) than Nurse's.

FIRST!

I prefer Nelson because he's shown more scoring consistency than Strome, but I can see your point. Getting another RH shot would be helpful in this situation. Maybe sub out Dal Colle for the 19th pick. All these avenues were presented at the time of the trade suggestion so I don't see those types of adjustments causing any problems.

I can see your point value-wise on the Savard deal, but my line of thinking comes from a.) wanting to guarantee that we'd get him, and b.) we're better served moving some cap out one way or another if we're planning on acquiring two top-4 Dmen.

As far as the last one, I see no reason it would come back and bite aside from losing an expansion exempt asset in return for one that needs to be protected. I think Trouba's long term potential is pretty much equal (maybe a bit higher) than Nurse's.
- MaximumBone

Hall and Musil for Hamonic, Strome/Nelson and the 19th would certainly get me interested anyways.

Maybe I'm just drinking the kool-aid too much but I tend to think Nurse has a higher all-around ceiling than Trouba. Not necessarily that he will reach it though.

I am one hoping they don't trade away the core but only because I think their value will be huge next year. Even if the team improves a little that should translate into a great year for the top 5 core players.

That said, if there was a really good dman out there then by all means. I just don't see anyone shopping a dman that is worth one of our core. There are many out there, they just don't seem to be on the block. What I am hearing is out there is Lindholm, Vatenen, Brodin, Dumba, Barrie, Shattenkirk... All great defense men but with the exception of the Shattenkirk, I don't know if any are worth a top forward straight across.

I also think if we are trading a core player, then we should keep the draft pick to replace them. The defence men in the top 10 may be elite but that is not a sure thing. When scouts have such a variance on who might be a top defender, it seems like the SAFEST bet is to take the best player available at 4. Which is either Tkachuk or Dubois. The Oilers have no real forwards in the system that aren't on the team.

If everyone was saying that Sergachyov should be top or at least in the top 10, then I would feel more comfortable about it. However some have him ranked third of fourth. I would rather trade for a guy like Dumba with our pick rather than trading down. Min wants to shed salary on their blue line and I hear are willing to part with Brodin and Dumba. At 22 and 21 respectively these would help. Dumba has huge offensive ability and I like him to be a potential top line RHD. Just an example. I don't think drafting a defender is the safest bet (although I hear Min wants Nuge in return).
- Hall Fan

Did not read


But surely I disagree with most of it.

On the Hawk thread EnzoD reported a Hall for Hamonic deal is close??

On the Hawk thread EnzoD reported a Hall for Hamonic deal is close??
- HawkfaninBC

#Enzodotes.

Did not read


But surely I disagree with most of it.
- Jeropotato

Nicely played.

Posted in Isles thread, they were not fans, but thoughts?

EDM: Hamonic, 2nd (Calgary's), Shinkaruk
NYI: Hamilton, 6
CAL: Hall, 19

Hendo complained and got Iggy banned. Weak.
- Jeropotato

Said who? Iggy?

Nurse for Trouba

Hall and Musil for Hamonic, Nelson, and Dal Colle

Nuge for Dumba

Nuge for Savard, Rychel, and a 2nd

Yak for Eller (.5mil retained)

Griffith for $20 and a kick in the balls

4th overall for 8th overall and Girgensons or Pysyk

All these are trades that, on one level or another, have been agreed to by at least one fan of the opposing teams. Any opinions?
- MaximumBone

No to Nurse/Trouba. I am happy with athe growing pains.

The Hall deal will make me sad, but I think the deal is fair.

No to Nuge trades...I like my Center positon like I like how my gf goes down on me...deep.

Yak/Eller...get it done

I would happily do the 4th for 8th+Pysyk.

No to Nurse/Trouba. I am happy with athe growing pains.

The Hall deal will make me sad, but I think the deal is fair.

No to Nuge trades...I like my Center positon like I like how my gf goes down on me...deep.

Yak/Eller...get it done

I would happily do the 4th for 8th+Pysyk.
- McSavioursPupil

Deep to you, shallow for her.....

Deep to you, shallow for her.....
- Pres.cup

w/e..I win in the end (of her throat)

w/e..I win in the end (of her throat)
- McSavioursPupil

Lol