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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:24 AM ET
I thought MAF only had a modified NTC, not a full NMC. If he does have a NMC, my bad.
- jmatchett383


According to capfriendly, he does.

Apparently the Pens wanted CGY's 1st rounder for MAF.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
I've said before, I think the standard for size has changed. I think in today's NHL, 6' 195 is good size. Especially if the player skates well.
- MJL


Size is still important, and any GM will prefer a skilled, speedy player with size over a small guy with equivalent speed and skill, but it is not as important as it was in the clutch and grab era.

To me, as long as you have some size in your 3rd and 4th lines, at least one good power forward who can work the front on the pp, and at least 2 Dmen with good size who can kill penalties, you will be ok.

In regards to the Flyers, they could certainly use more size up front in their bottom 6 and one more big physical dman, but when it comes to their top six forwards, size, IMO, is not an issue.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
You're not rinaldo, because you use correct capitalization, punctuation, and haven't referenced anyone's mom.

You're not OrangeKrush, because you make sense.

But I still don't know who you are.

- jmatchett383

I guess your no one then.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:25 AM ET
According to capfriendly, he does.

Apparently the Pens wanted CGY's 1st rounder for MAF.

- Jsaquella

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
I guess your no one then.
- roenick97


Sure.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
Size is still important, and any GM will prefer a skilled, speedy player with size over a small guy with equivalent speed and skill, but it is not as important as it was in the clutch and grab era.

To me, as long as you have some size in your 3rd and 4th lines, at least one good power forward who can work the front on the pp, and at least 2 Dmen with good size who can kill penalties, you will be ok.

In regards to the Flyers, they could certainly use more size up front in their bottom 6 and one more big physical dman, but when it comes to their top six forwards, size, IMO, is not an issue.

- BiggE


Size is great, if it can play. Hugh Jessiman is a big mother(frank)er, but he can't (frank)ing play.

The Flyers and Penguins, in terms of average size are almost even. The "lack" of size didn't hurt the Pens at all.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:27 AM ET
Size is still important, and any GM will prefer a skilled, speedy player with size over a small guy with equivalent speed and skill, but it is not as important as it was in the clutch and grab era.

To me, as long as you have some size in your 3rd and 4th lines, at least one good power forward who can work the front on the pp, and at least 2 Dmen with good size who can kill penalties, you will be ok.

In regards to the Flyers, they could certainly use more size up front in their bottom 6 and one more big physical dman, but when it comes to their top six forwards, size, IMO, is not an issue.

- BiggE


Mike Rathje is probably available.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 21 @ 11:29 AM ET
Size is still important, and any GM will prefer a skilled, speedy player with size over a small guy with equivalent speed and skill, but it is not as important as it was in the clutch and grab era.

To me, as long as you have some size in your 3rd and 4th lines, at least one good power forward who can work the front on the pp, and at least 2 Dmen with good size who can kill penalties, you will be ok.

In regards to the Flyers, they could certainly use more size up front in their bottom 6 and one more big physical dman, but when it comes to their top six forwards, size, IMO, is not an issue.

- BiggE



I agree with all of that. Sometimes there's a player who is 20 lbs lighter than another player, but he competes harder, and is tougher to play against than the bigger player. There's simply too many really good smaller players in the league, to be scared off by size. Of course, you want balance in the lineup, and I do think the Flyers could use some more size, especially at center for the 3rd and 4th lines. Not that I don't like Bellemare, but I see a player who can take some of the load off of Giroux and Couturier as a need.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:32 AM ET
Mike Rathje is probably available.
- jmatchett383


Ok, let me be more specific. You do need some size on your D when it comes to the PK, it's nice to have guys that can win battles in front and along the wall. However, the big guys must have some skill and be decent skaters. If your entire D group is smaller, high skilled guys, you most likely will have some trouble on the PK and when the opponent is able to get a cycle going in your zone.

I think there will always be a place for big Dmen in the NHL as long as they have at least some skill and average or better skating ability.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
Ok, let me be more specific. You do need some size on your D when it comes to the PK, it's nice to have guys that can win battles in front and along the wall. However, the big guys must have some skill and be decent skaters. If your entire D group is smaller, high skilled guys, you most likely will have some trouble on the PK and when the opponent is able to get a cycle going in your zone.

I think there will always be a place for big Dmen in the NHL as long as they have at least some skill and average or better skating ability.

- BiggE


Niklas Grossmann?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
I agree with all of that. Sometimes there's a player who is 20 lbs lighter than another player, but he competes harder, and is tougher to play against than the bigger player. There's simply too many really good smaller players in the league, to be scared off by size. Of course, you want balance in the lineup, and I do think the Flyers could use some more size, especially at center for the 3rd and 4th lines. Not that I don't like Bellemare, but I see a player who can take some of the load off of Giroux and Couturier as a need.
- MJL


Simmonds and Raffl are perfect examples of this
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
Niklas Grossmann?
- jmatchett383


In his prime? Sure. He was an effective role player who could help a team. The problem comes when your D consists of 3 or 4 Nik Grossmanns.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
In his prime? Sure. He was an effective role player who could help a team. The problem comes when you D consists of 3 or 4 Nik Grossmanns.
- BiggE


But he's big, can lean on people, and can even move from time to time. I don't know if he knows what a hockey stick is for, but he sure can get hit by a puck.

But really, I think Luke Schenn is a good example. When you start overrelying on a guy like him (when you have 3-4 of them) is when you have issues.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
According to capfriendly, he does.

Apparently the Pens wanted CGY's 1st rounder for MAF.

- Jsaquella


Interesting trade by Calgary if true. I still wonder if Drouin is available for the Bolts. He is cheap for another season especially considering who they have to sign over the next two seasons. However, I still am skeptical all bridges have been mended from both sides. Forget about Stamkos for a second, Hedman and Kucherov are going to get paid. Hedman could become the first $10 million/yr dman in the NHL, IMO.
dragonoffrost
Season Ticket Holder
Location: The East Coast Dump, NJ
Joined: 10.12.2015

Jun 21 @ 11:39 AM ET
In his prime? Sure. He was an effective role player who could help a team. The problem comes when your D consists of 3 or 4 Nik Grossmanns.
- BiggE


I see it the same way. A player like Grossmann or Schultz has a place in today's NHL just you can't have too many of them.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
Interesting trade by Calgary if true. I still wonder if Drouin is available for the Bolts. He is cheap for another season especially considering who they have to sign over the next two seasons. However, I still am skeptical all bridges have been mended from both sides. Forget about Stamkos for a second, Hedman and Kucherov are going to get paid. Hedman could become the first $10 million/yr dman in the NHL, IMO.
- ravishingone


Nope. Drouin has rescinded the trade request, says he wants to stay in Tampa
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 11:41 AM ET
Interesting trade by Calgary if true. I still wonder if Drouin is available for the Bolts. He is cheap for another season especially considering who they have to sign over the next two seasons. However, I still am skeptical all bridges have been mended from both sides. Forget about Stamkos for a second, Hedman and Kucherov are going to get paid. Hedman could become the first $10 million/yr dman in the NHL, IMO.
- ravishingone


Not sure if it was an insider tweet or ESPN article , but I saw/read that Drouin withdrew his request for a trade. But that doesn't necessarily mean management doesn't trade him.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 21 @ 11:48 AM ET
Ren Lavoie says Lecavalier will retire today. If he does, the Flyers and Kings will incur no cap penalty for him in the future.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 21 @ 11:49 AM ET
Pittsburgh asking for 6th overall for Fluery?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 21 @ 11:54 AM ET
General Fanager
‏@generalfanager
With Lecavalier off books, #LAKings move up to $5.55M in estimated cap space (11F/7D/1G). #Flyers up to $12.75M (9F/5D/3G).

Schenn $1.5M
Gudas $1.25M
Stamkos $10M
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jun 21 @ 11:55 AM ET
General Fanager
‏@generalfanager
With Lecavalier off books, #LAKings move up to $5.55M in estimated cap space (11F/7D/1G). #Flyers up to $12.75M (9F/5D/3G).

Schenn $1.5M
Gudas $1.25M
Stamkos $10M

- PhillySportsGuy


Those numbers are inaccurate. We can trade Brandon Manning for a top-10 pick and use the savings to up the Stamkos offer.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
Simmonds and Raffl are perfect examples of this
- BiggE


so is Datsyuk #RIP
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 11:59 AM ET
General Fanager
‏@generalfanager
With Lecavalier off books, #LAKings move up to $5.55M in estimated cap space (11F/7D/1G). #Flyers up to $12.75M (9F/5D/3G).

Schenn $1.5M
Gudas $1.25M
Stamkos $10M

- PhillySportsGuy


Really would be somethin if we can get Read and/or Streit off the books too. First time Hexy has had actual spending money.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 21 @ 11:59 AM ET
General Fanager
‏@generalfanager
With Lecavalier off books, #LAKings move up to $5.55M in estimated cap space (11F/7D/1G). #Flyers up to $12.75M (9F/5D/3G).

Schenn $1.5M
Gudas $1.25M
Stamkos $10M

- PhillySportsGuy


Luke Schenn?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jun 21 @ 12:00 PM ET
General Fanager
‏@generalfanager
With Lecavalier off books, #LAKings move up to $5.55M in estimated cap space (11F/7D/1G). #Flyers up to $12.75M (9F/5D/3G).

Schenn $1.5M
Gudas $1.25M
Stamkos $10M

- PhillySportsGuy


/plans Broad Street parade
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