If we moved Neuvirth though wouldn't we have to sign another vet goalie to at least a two year deal? If we protect Mason wouldn't we have to put someone out there that meets game requirements for the expansion draft that Stolarz would not meet?

Not saying we should move him but I'm just curious if that would be something we would have to account for.
- hereticpride

That's assuming that they feel Mason's the No. 1. I think he is, some others do, but I wonder what Hakstol and Hextall think if you put them under the gun

Looking through the back-read, I agree that's the funky part -- it's the contract value/term that leaves me scratching my head and makes it hard to argue that the Pens shouldn't get something close to that for Fleury. While Fleury's older, it can be argued pretty easily that he's a better goalie than Andersen
- AllInForFlyers

yeah, i dont think fleury's contract is that much of an obstacle. basically the same thing as andersen's but only for this year and next. and calgary has a kid they are high on anyway. could be the perfect bridge deal for them.

as pointed out by someone earlier, 5 mil and change is really middle of the pack for goalies, and regardless of the mental breakdown periods, fleury is at the bare minimum an average to above average guy

Sam Cosentino’s 2016 NHL Mock Draft

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...inos-2016-nhl-mock-draft/
- ob18

I actually read that one earlier. Did you find this one to "feel right?"

I actually read that one earlier. Did you find this one to "feel right?"
- AllInForFlyers

Well I've been saying for months that Max Jones is one to seriously consider for the Flyers.

So I wouldn't be shocked.......is he would I'd put at the top of my list no but he's on it.

yeah, i dont think fleury's contract is that much of an obstacle. basically the same thing as andersen's but only for this year and next. and calgary has a kid they are high on anyway. could be the perfect bridge deal for them.

as pointed out by someone earlier, 5 mil and change is really middle of the pack for goalies, and regardless of the mental breakdown periods, fleury is at the bare minimum an average to above average guy
- stayinthefnnet

See, that's where I deviate from some of the thinking about goaltending and what you pay for it

No, you're not going to get Martin Jones vs. Matt Murray every year. This was kind of an outlier...but maybe not as much of one as people think.

Since 2010, guys like Lundqvist and Tim Thomas and Roberto Luongo have been in the finals and those were elite goalies. But at the same time, it's been proven that you can get there with the Antti Niemis and Michael Leightons of the world, and while you gotta get through 82 games first, man, I don't know that paying Andersen $5 million is the same as paying Fleury $5 million -- I definitely didn't think Andersen was getting that

Well I've been saying for months that Max Jones is one to seriously consider for the Flyers.

So I wouldn't be shocked.......is he would I'd put at the top of my list no but he's on it.
- ob18

OK. I don't track it hardly at all anymore, so I honestly do kinda need to hear the opinions of those who do

Well I've been saying for months that Max Jones is one to seriously consider for the Flyers.

So I wouldn't be shocked.......is he would I'd put at the top of my list no but he's on it.
- ob18

I don't take points away from Jones because he didn't play on the top line of a stacked London this past season. How close are Jones and Gauthier for you?

all silliness aside...I really do want Keller and would be ok giving up a 1st, 2nd, and Hagg to trade up.

See, that's where I deviate from some of the thinking about goaltending and what you pay for it

No, you're not going to get Martin Jones vs. Matt Murray every year. This was kind of an outlier...but maybe not as much of one as people think.

Since 2010, guys like Lundqvist and Tim Thomas and Roberto Luongo have been in the finals and those were elite goalies. But at the same time, it's been proven that you can get there with the Antti Niemis and Michael Leightons of the world, and while you gotta get through 82 games first, man, I don't know that paying Andersen $5 million is the same as paying Fleury $5 million -- I definitely didn't think Andersen was getting that
- AllInForFlyers

me neither, but good for him i guess. id have done a backflip to move fleury for that

all silliness aside...I really do want Keller and would be ok giving up a 1st, 2nd, and Hagg to trade up.
- Giroux_Is_God

Ugh. Not because I know anything about Keller, but because I hate the thought of giving up a 2nd AND Hagg to do it

I haven't seen Hagg play in quite some time, but damn. It takes defensemen longer. I'd hate to move him just to move up before we see what he does with the kind of development time defensemen can take

me neither, but good for him i guess. id have done a backflip to move fleury for that
- stayinthefnnet

See, the thing about Andersen that made him valuable is that he was good for the salary he was making, even if you gave him a raise. He was making, like, 2.3 or 2.6 or something. I thought he'd come in around $3.5-3.75, and that's where you get the value

But hell, if you're giving him $5...man. That's just a number that I wouldn't have paid, but as always, I'm just a guy on a laptop

See, the thing about Andersen that made him valuable is that he was good for the salary he was making, even if you gave him a raise. He was making, like, 2.3 or 2.6 or something. I thought he'd come in around $3.5-3.75, and that's where you get the value

But hell, if you're giving him $5...man. That's just a number that I wouldn't have paid, but as always, I'm just a guy on a laptop
- AllInForFlyers

i totally get that. i guess it's largely a balancing effort between weighing his age and fleury's experience. but given that there are only 2 more years on the deal, i don't think fleury's age is necessarily prohibitive. but if the leafs identified andersen as a core guy to build around, i guess that's the path they want. but i agree. that's a lot of money for not a huge sample size.

Maybe I'm late because I haven't back read, but had anyone heard this?

http://www.nhltraderumors...-out-of-columbus.html?m=1

See, the thing about Andersen that made him valuable is that he was good for the salary he was making, even if you gave him a raise. He was making, like, 2.3 or 2.6 or something. I thought he'd come in around $3.5-3.75, and that's where you get the value

But hell, if you're giving him $5...man. That's just a number that I wouldn't have paid, but as always, I'm just a guy on a laptop
- AllInForFlyers

Looking at what he got makes me wonder what Mason could look at next deal. 6 or more?

Matthews goes wire to wire as TSN's top prospect

http://www.tsn.ca/matthew...n-s-top-prospect-1.511597

Looking at what he got makes me wonder what Mason could look at next deal. 6 or more?
- J35Bacher

If you're Steve Mason, you might feel like you should be able to ask that, yes. Mason has played more and while there was a down period there in Columbus, that's a while ago

If you're Mason, you can rightly say that you have been the primary starter for the Flyers twice when they have gone to the playoffs. Six might be pretty aggressive for an ask, and I wouldn't pay it, but you might ask it

I don't take points away from Jones because he didn't play on the top line of a stacked London this past season. How close are Jones and Gauthier for you?
- ravishingone

Jones is a head........I wouldn't be upset if they took Gauthier but based on last year when his junior team was loaded & he barely did much offensively and needs work in his own end didn't win him any favors for me going into this draft.

I think I'd go with Kunin, Rubtsov, Asplund, Jones, Jake Bean, Dante Fabbro, & Dennis Cholowski in no order.

Sam Cosentino’s 2016 NHL Mock Draft

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...inos-2016-nhl-mock-draft/
- ob18

How is Jesse falling to five

Matthews goes wire to wire as TSN's top prospect

http://www.tsn.ca/matthew...n-s-top-prospect-1.511597
- ob18

Wow what a strange list. Abramov at 51 screams this year's Kucherov. Dahlen not even in 2nd. Logan Stanley above Rubtsov.

I am completely ok with the draft going the way of this ranking. Just some really surprising things. I was big on Borgstrom and they have him as almost a 1st. Other stuff too. Kunin, Abramov, AND Dahlen sounds like a fine draft to me personally.

How is Jesse falling to five
- Winning

Like every mock it's subjective to the person doing it.

Ugh. Not because I know anything about Keller, but because I hate the thought of giving up a 2nd AND Hagg to do it

I haven't seen Hagg play in quite some time, but damn. It takes defensemen longer. I'd hate to move him just to move up before we see what he does with the kind of development time defensemen can take
- AllInForFlyers

Absolutely.

What makes it bearable to me is the fact that we have 2nds and plenty of solid D prospects.

Now, if they don't send that package out to trade up and stand pat, you won't see me on here female doging. It's a tough call, but I just might do it.

Are they pretty much saying Chychrun processes the game like Luke Schenn, then?

Wow what a strange list. Abramov at 51 screams this year's Kucherov. Dahlen not even in 2nd. Logan Stanley above Rubtsov.

I am completely ok with the draft going the way of this ranking. Just some really surprising things. I was big on Borgstrom and they have him as almost a 1st. Other stuff too. Kunin, Abramov, AND Dahlen sounds like a fine draft to me personally.
- Mononoke

Bob does his homework & consults various teams so it's not without its merit

Are they pretty much saying Chychrun processes the game like Luke Schenn, then?
- AllInForFlyers

He won't bring a ton of offense.......but might fit into a team's top 4

If we moved Neuvirth though wouldn't we have to sign another vet goalie to at least a two year deal? If we protect Mason wouldn't we have to put someone out there that meets game requirements for the expansion draft that Stolarz would not meet?

Not saying we should move him but I'm just curious if that would be something we would have to account for.
- hereticpride

Yes, Hextall seems adamant about not rushing a kid and they will need two stable goalies. Especially given that neither Mason nor Neuvirth is exactly Lou Gehrig or Cal Ripken when it comes to injury avoidance.