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BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
It is balls hot outside today. Anyone else notice that?
poohcrumbs
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I think Loov is going to become another Lidstrom- matt1337
Joined: 09.12.2009

Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
it does. But here's what gives me hope:

However, nothing in this Section 26.3(e) is intended to prohibit a Player
from entering into a sponsorship, endorsement or other commercial
arrangement with a local sponsor or entity with which his Club does
business but which is not a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player
receives something of value, provided the thing of value received is
commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) the fair market value of
the services rendered by the Player on behalf of the sponsor or entity.
With respect to any sponsorship or endorsement arrangement between a
Player and a national sponsor, any thing of value provided to a Player
under such arrangement shall be presumptively acceptable (i.e., such thing
of value need not meet the "fair market value" test set forth in the
preceding sentence), provided that such arrangement was not made at the
behest of the Player's Club or any other Club Actor. However, the NHL
shall have the right to challenge before the System Arbitrator, through an
expedited arbitration proceeding pursuant to the third sentence of Section
26.13(a) below, the bona fides of any such national sponsorship or
endorsement arrangement on the grounds that it was actually provided for
the benefit of a particular Club.

- Atomic Wedgie


So were gonna get Monaghan Lumber to pay him 50k a tweet?

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Jun 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
Wales
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 3:15 PM ET
First time reader, long time poster..

Did we manage to get Spatso banned?

- the_eye



It is important to properly read the signals when you see Leaf fans reverting to anger, threatening tactics, name calling and personal insults. The responses are essentially self protective. These fans believe they have been beaten around so badly, especially over the last few years. They have been ridiculed, trivialized and dismissed. They have been excluded from the competitive hockey debate. So, they make irrational hockey claims. They come to despise anyone who forces them to face reality.

This summer is about a grand illusion. Matthews, they tell themselves, can do better than Tavares, Stamkos or Eichel or, dare we even say, McDavid. He will instantly pull the Leafs into the playoff mix in his first year and "we will matter again."

When the reality of the situation finally settles into the thinking of Leaf fans they will revert to lashing out against others. They are unconsciously trying to inflict the humiliation they feel unto to others. They want others to know the pain that they are living every day. Leaf fans, for example, do not hate Karlsson. They just intuitively know that he causes them so much pain. It has everything to do with how much Senator fans love Karlsson. They adore his skill his speed and the fact that he is so unique and special. He laughs, he smiles and delights. He is so much like Alphie and entirely fused into our hearts. Leaf fans just want a player who is special for them, someone to love, somebody that they know they can believe in.

One last thought. Shame is always held together by a deeply held wound. You can only escape the wound by naming it, by defining and by choosing not to let it define you from the secret recesses of your own mind. I stopped feeling ashamed when I finally stopped drinking the blue and white kool aid and called out and named the pain. When I publicly let go of the Leafs, when I chose to no longer carry the burden of their failure, I became free. So, I understand their bitterness, their invective and mostly their hurt. I understand how badly they have suffered. I try not to add to that suffering by responding in kind when they become so disrespectful of others.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:17 PM ET
(as of 2015) Crosby was endorsed by Bell Canada, so your saying he could never play for the Leafs?
- poohcrumbs

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm reading the CBA and it looks like it was drawn up very quickly, and they didn't really think about all the different scenarios.

They state that you can't sign a contract with the broadcasting company that is affiliated with your club, but they never thought about if your club is owned by a broadcasting company.

My point is that they have an arbitrator specifically designed to rule on these things, meaning they don't simply forbid it.

So why not push the envelope?

Hell, I'd do a deal with Kadri right franking now for $100,000 a year to endorse The FAN590. If the NHL is forced to allow it, man oh man it sends a pretty powerful message to all UFAs that the Leafs can play fast and loose with the salary cap.
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Jun 20 @ 3:17 PM ET
It is important to properly read the signals when you see Leaf fans reverting to anger, threatening tactics, name calling and personal insults. The responses are essentially self protective. These fans believe they have been beaten around so badly, especially over the last few years. They have been ridiculed, trivialized and dismissed. They have been excluded from the competitive hockey debate. So, they make irrational hockey claims. They come to despise anyone who forces them to face reality.

This summer is about a grand illusion. Matthews, they tell themselves, can do better than Tavares, Stamkos or Eichel or, dare we even say, McDavid. He will instantly pull the Leafs into the playoff mix in his first year and "we will matter again."

When the reality of the situation finally settles into the thinking of Leaf fans they will revert to lashing out against others. They are unconsciously trying to inflict the humiliation they feel unto to others. They want others to know the pain that they are living every day. Leaf fans, for example, do not hate Karlsson. They just intuitively know that he causes them so much pain. It has everything to do with how much Senator fans love Karlsson. They adore his skill his speed and the fact that he is so unique and special. He laughs, he smiles and delights. He is so much like Alphie and entirely fused into our hearts. Leaf fans just want a player who is special for them, someone to love, somebody that they know they can believe in.

One last thought. Shame is always held together by a deeply held wound. You can only escape the wound by naming it, by defining and by choosing not to let it define you from the secret recesses of your own mind. I stopped feeling ashamed when I finally stopped drinking the blue and white kool aid and called out and named the pain. When I publicly let go of the Leafs, when I chose to no longer carry the burden of their failure, I became free. So, I understand their bitterness, their invective and mostly their hurt. I understand how badly they have suffered. I try not to add to that suffering by responding in kind when they become so disrespectful of others.

- senstroll

(frank)ing loser.
WingmanWillie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: A dog on the puck, just looking for a snizzbone
Joined: 04.17.2015

Jun 20 @ 3:17 PM ET
It is important to properly read the signals when you see Leaf fans reverting to anger, threatening tactics, name calling and personal insults. The responses are essentially self protective. These fans believe they have been beaten around so badly, especially over the last few years. They have been ridiculed, trivialized and dismissed. They have been excluded from the competitive hockey debate. So, they make irrational hockey claims. They come to despise anyone who forces them to face reality.

This summer is about a grand illusion. Matthews, they tell themselves, can do better than Tavares, Stamkos or Eichel or, dare we even say, McDavid. He will instantly pull the Leafs into the playoff mix in his first year and "we will matter again."

When the reality of the situation finally settles into the thinking of Leaf fans they will revert to lashing out against others. They are unconsciously trying to inflict the humiliation they feel unto to others. They want others to know the pain that they are living every day. Leaf fans, for example, do not hate Karlsson. They just intuitively know that he causes them so much pain. It has everything to do with how much Senator fans love Karlsson. They adore his skill his speed and the fact that he is so unique and special. He laughs, he smiles and delights. He is so much like Alphie and entirely fused into our hearts. Leaf fans just want a player who is special for them, someone to love, somebody that they know they can believe in.

One last thought. Shame is always held together by a deeply held wound. You can only escape the wound by naming it, by defining and by choosing not to let it define you from the secret recesses of your own mind. I stopped feeling ashamed when I finally stopped drinking the blue and white kool aid and called out and named the pain. When I publicly let go of the Leafs, when I chose to no longer carry the burden of their failure, I became free. So, I understand their bitterness, their invective and mostly their hurt. I understand how badly they have suffered. I try not to add to that suffering by responding in kind when they become so disrespectful of others.

- senstroll


Smoke weed, drink beer

TITS
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:18 PM ET
Wales
- AdamFrench

England needs the victory today.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:18 PM ET
it does. But here's what gives me hope:

However, nothing in this Section 26.3(e) is intended to prohibit a Player
from entering into a sponsorship, endorsement or other commercial
arrangement with a local sponsor or entity with which his Club does
business but which is not a Club Affiliated Entity, in which the Player
receives something of value, provided the thing of value received is
commensurate with (i.e., not clearly in excess of) the fair market value of
the services rendered by the Player on behalf of the sponsor or entity.
With respect to any sponsorship or endorsement arrangement between a
Player and a national sponsor, any thing of value provided to a Player
under such arrangement shall be presumptively acceptable (i.e., such thing
of value need not meet the "fair market value" test set forth in the
preceding sentence), provided that such arrangement was not made at the
behest of the Player's Club or any other Club Actor. However, the NHL
shall have the right to challenge before the System Arbitrator, through an
expedited arbitration proceeding pursuant to the third sentence of Section
26.13(a) below, the bona fides of any such national sponsorship or
endorsement arrangement on the grounds that it was actually provided for
the benefit of a particular Club.

- Atomic Wedgie


I see where that leave the door open for MLSE to arrange a lucrative sponsorship with a company that may be amenable to their influence. I also see that any such arrangement like that may be challenged.

I guess, let's say Stamkos signs a 2 million deal from Molson who has a vested interest in continuing to sell 12.00 beer at the ACC. The 2 million may not
be excessive, and maybe doesn't even need to pass the fair market value test...

I would worry about that last bit though. The penalties could be pretty bad if it was discovered that MLSE brokered the deal, or even if they believe that the deal was provided to specifically benefit the Leafs.

wouldn't want to play games or push the envelope in this area.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:20 PM ET
(as of 2015) Crosby was endorsed by Bell Canada, so your saying he could never play for the Leafs?
- poohcrumbs


I would suggest that the deal was in no way brokered by the Leafs and was not signed for the benefit of the Leafs or any other particular club. I cannot see how this could be a problem with any arrangement that existed before the player transferred to the new team.

Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:21 PM ET
It is balls hot outside today. Anyone else notice that?
- BetterCallSaul


yeah was out at lunch. It was ugly. As was my drunken annual fathers day round of golf in yesterday's heat.
RickJames77
Boston Bruins
Location: We’re Too Old, Boston
Joined: 04.03.2013

Jun 20 @ 3:21 PM ET
I just found out that Detroit's new arena is called Little Caesar's Arena...wow. That is awful.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
I just found out that Detroit's new arena is called Little Caesar's Arena...wow. That is awful.
- RickJames77


Looks like the Ottawa Centurion may be able to land a second gig!

DeflatedPucks
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: NYC, NY
Joined: 04.29.2016

Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
England needs the victory today.
- Atomic Wedgie



(frank) England
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Jun 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
I just found out that Detroit's new arena is called Little Caesar's Arena...wow. That is awful.
- RickJames77


Yeah but Little Caesar's is delicious.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jun 20 @ 3:23 PM ET
First time reader, long time poster..

Did we manage to get Spatso banned?

- the_eye


just asked to move along before one happened.
MCharisma91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 07.10.2010

Jun 20 @ 3:24 PM ET
Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 17h17 hours ago
Wow, signing with your hometown team as a free agent and breaking their championship drought sure seems fun.

[drums fingers]

Just saying.
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Jun 20 @ 3:24 PM ET
Hedman is the keymaster. Stamkos is the gatekeeper.
- AdamFrench


sounds like a Johnny Depp movie gatekeeper ..
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:25 PM ET
I see where that leave the door open for MLSE to arrange a lucrative sponsorship with a company that may be amenable to their influence. I also see that any such arrangement like that may be challenged.

I guess, let's say Stamkos signs a 2 million deal from Molson who has a vested interest in continuing to sell 12.00 beer at the ACC. The 2 million may not
be excessive, and maybe doesn't even need to pass the fair market value test...

I would worry about that last bit though. The penalties could be pretty bad if it was discovered that MLSE brokered the deal, or even if they believe that the deal was provided to specifically benefit the Leafs.

wouldn't want to play games or push the envelope in this area.

- Aetherial

Pissy little note, for which I am famous:

As per NHL CBA, players can't do endorsements for alcohol.

Although (once again, because they threw together the CBA in 12 minutes) it says nothing about endorsing legal marijuana.
MCharisma91
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 07.10.2010

Jun 20 @ 3:25 PM ET
Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak 22m22 minutes ago
#BREAKING - Ducks and Leafs in heavy discussions. Names being thrown around: Andersen, Fowler, JVR. Don't be shocked if Andersen is a Leaf.

I still follow the kid so I can get a good laugh here and there...or after every tweet he sends out..
sloppyseconds2
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: cambridge, ON
Joined: 01.02.2012

Jun 20 @ 3:27 PM ET
So were gonna get Monaghan Lumber to pay him 50k a tweet?


- poohcrumbs



"King of the Woods".
the_eye
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.22.2012

Jun 20 @ 3:27 PM ET
It is important to properly read the signals when you see Leaf fans reverting to anger, threatening tactics, name calling and personal insults. The responses are essentially self protective. These fans believe they have been beaten around so badly, especially over the last few years. They have been ridiculed, trivialized and dismissed. They have been excluded from the competitive hockey debate. So, they make irrational hockey claims. They come to despise anyone who forces them to face reality.

This summer is about a grand illusion. Matthews, they tell themselves, can do better than Tavares, Stamkos or Eichel or, dare we even say, McDavid. He will instantly pull the Leafs into the playoff mix in his first year and "we will matter again."

When the reality of the situation finally settles into the thinking of Leaf fans they will revert to lashing out against others. They are unconsciously trying to inflict the humiliation they feel unto to others. They want others to know the pain that they are living every day. Leaf fans, for example, do not hate Karlsson. They just intuitively know that he causes them so much pain. It has everything to do with how much Senator fans love Karlsson. They adore his skill his speed and the fact that he is so unique and special. He laughs, he smiles and delights. He is so much like Alphie and entirely fused into our hearts. Leaf fans just want a player who is special for them, someone to love, somebody that they know they can believe in.

One last thought. Shame is always held together by a deeply held wound. You can only escape the wound by naming it, by defining and by choosing not to let it define you from the secret recesses of your own mind. I stopped feeling ashamed when I finally stopped drinking the blue and white kool aid and called out and named the pain. When I publicly let go of the Leafs, when I chose to no longer carry the burden of their failure, I became free. So, I understand their bitterness, their invective and mostly their hurt. I understand how badly they have suffered. I try not to add to that suffering by responding in kind when they become so disrespectful of others.

- senstroll

So is that a yes, we got him banned or a no, we did not?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 20 @ 3:28 PM ET
So were gonna get Monaghan Lumber to pay him 50k a tweet?


- poohcrumbs

By the way, I now have that annoying radio jingle inside my head.

Thanks for that, Poohsie.
iTOLDu
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MI
Joined: 10.26.2011

Jun 20 @ 3:30 PM ET
Murray saying that they will definitely trade one of their goalies. Time to get one for the Leafs. Could JVR land a defenseman and goalie or no? I worry about losing JVR. Not much on the wings after he goes. Unless we find a way to dump a bunch of salary and get Stammer and Okposo.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 20 @ 3:31 PM ET
So is that a yes, we got him banned or a no, we did not?
- the_eye


I dont know..dont really care..he is harmless..not sure why people get upset.
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