What are the chances that Bowman turned down a deal from Toronto for Crawford that Anahein accepted for Anderson? They wouldn't have gone to Crawford asking for approval until something was final.

If they don't clear more space this summer (probably by July 1), I fear they lose Panarin next summer AND lose Shaw AND wind up with the rookies and Swedes you note above - I fear it would be very hard to make a good cap clearing move under pressure next summer.
- StLBravesFan

I am 95% certain they talked to Toronto about Crawford. FWIW.

Looking more and more like CC, if even trade able, is a plan C or D for teams looking to trade for a goalie.
- purepone

In a way I'm relieved. I understand the rationale for trading Crawford, but I didn't want him to actually be dealt if it could be avoided.

Dominoes. There is part of the return for Crawford (red font)
- ikeane

Well, I will submit to you that is a deal that might make some sense and WPEG (Chevy) was interested in Crawford when the rumors heated up last summer (pretty much confirmed)

Seriously dude?


- TommyHawk

I'm dead serious. I, unlike some others, would not wait a moment to trade Kane right now. His value is sky high and his return would be exactly what this team needs right now.

I'm not just trading him because of his value, it's because of who he is. He is a guy who doesn't get that he's an adult now. He doesn't want to stop his stupid antics, fine we can get a ton of talent back for him. I'm sick of his immaturity, and last off season's escapade whether true or not, is a warning sign that he will never change. Soon or later he will get caught and we will get nothing for Kane in return for him get a new orange uniform.

The rest of you can salivate all over him because of what he brings. But I see the same out of Panarin but I also see a mature kid who wants to excel and be the star that Kane COULD be but won't because he rather do dumb stuff. Panarin needs to be locked up long term right now. He is that good.

I know I'm going to get grief for this but at the same time I'm not trolling. I'm being sincere about my convictions.

A little more buzz growing about Campbell.

All of it NOT from team sources right now, however.

Stay tuned. Again, the guy doesn't need the money at this point, loves Chicago, and if he would do a $1 million or less AAV deal, why not?
- John Jaeckel

Even at 1 mil, unless someone else is moved, that leaves the Hawks forwards to fill out the roster at pretty much league minimum. If he signs that does not make me feel very good about Shaw returning. If he does that contract better not have performance based bonuses!!!

Normally I would agree all day long JJ but as you mention a core piece must be moved to allow the kid to become a core piece. Who moves (and consider who will bring back the most including Panarin) Crow, Toews, Kane, Seabs, Keith, AA+ another 1-2 mil?
- Mr Ricochet

Let me be blunt.

On a team with one top 6 left wing, who is going to be one of the better (best) offensive players in the league for ten years, a great guy in the dressing room, I would keep that player over a good goalie like Corey Crawford.

Crawford is more easily replaced. Period.

Even at 1 mil, unless someone else is moved, that leaves the Hawks forwards to fill out the roster at pretty much league minimum. If he signs that does not make me feel very good about Shaw returning. If he does that contract better not have performance based bonuses!!!
- bhawks2241

I'm basing a lot on that assumption. Most likely Shaw at this point.

Possible I suppose, although I think Chicago would have taken those picks for Crawford no? Do you think the return will be better than that if he is traded.

More likely the age difference was a factor as the Leafs are still at the beginning of pretty much a total tear down and rebuild.
- Aetherial

Congrats on signing Andersen. I thought he was the best fit long term for the Leafs. As a fan I would think this move shows they aren't shooting for a top 5 pick this coming year. Gotta make a fan feel excited.

Nice piece in the Globe & Mail this morning on Andersen. Why the Leafs' $25-million bet on Frederik Andersen is so important

Well, I will submit to you that is a deal that might make some sense and WPEG (Chevy) was interested in Crawford when the rumors heated up last summer (pretty much confirmed)
- John Jaeckel

First off....don't ever apologize for bagging on TOR. Ever

Second.....I think BUFF is the other team that could/would make a "splash" to get CROW

Another potential Crawford destination crossed off the list...
- EnzoD

But has another one been added?

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- gifman[/img]


I'm dead serious. I, unlike some others, would not wait a moment to trade Kane right now. His value is sky high and his return would be exactly what this team needs right now.

I'm not just trading him because of his value, it's because of who he is. He is a guy who doesn't get that he's an adult now. He doesn't want to stop his stupid antics, fine we can get a ton of talent back for him. I'm sick of his immaturity, and last off season's escapade whether true or not, is a warning sign that he will never change. Soon or later he will get caught and we will get nothing for Kane in return for him get a new orange uniform.

The rest of you can salivate all over him because of what he brings. But I see the same out of Panarin but I also see a mature kid who wants to excel and be the star that Kane COULD be but won't because he rather do dumb stuff. Panarin needs to be locked up long term right now. He is that good.

I know I'm going to get grief for this but at the same time I'm not trolling. I'm being sincere about my convictions.

Kane was just the Art Ross Trophy winner and will win the Hart as NHL MVP. What other kind of Star COULD he be? Your bias and dislike of Kane is clear. Artemi Panarin has 1 year playing on Kane's wing and you want to trade arguably the greatest scorer in Blackhawk's history bc of a "so-called case"?? That's ludicrous, IMO. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but trading Kane would result in the Hawks' fanbase going on strike. Is Rocky going to give the 10million Hawks fans with 88 jerseys a free trade in for Panarin's 72?? 19+88 will never be traded, IMO. I love Panarin and think he is the real deal, but you dont trade the Art Ross+Hart Trophy winner bc of unfounded allegations.

In a way I'm relieved. I understand the rationale for trading Crawford, but I didn't want him to actually be dealt if it could be avoided.
- DarthKane

Not being a Richard, I'm just asking you what other option is there but to deal Crow? Knowing a re-up on Panarin has to be one of Bowman's top priorities.

And letting Shaw walk doesn't seem like the smartest move either. Players like him don't grow on trees.

I also don't see the logic in dealing AA either. As someone mentioned on here yesterday, AA is the exact center you need for a guy like Kane. He can be less than 50% at the dot if it means Kane gets another 80+ points a season.

First off....don't ever apologize for bagging on TOR. Ever

Second.....I think BUFF is the other team that could/would make a "splash" to get CROW
- PatShart

Thank you, my man. Aetherial is a good egg, however. So, there's that.

I was told by a good source the other day, Buffalo was "#2" on the list behind Toronto as far as a possible Crawford destination.

In a way I'm relieved. I understand the rationale for trading Crawford, but I didn't want him to actually be dealt if it could be avoided.
- DarthKane

I think it is WAY too premature to assume Crawford is:
a) being traded
b) not being traded

There ARE at least 2 and possibly as many as 4-5 possible destinations out there.

I'm basing a lot on that assumption. Most likely Shaw at this point.
- John Jaeckel

Woof. I can understand why he wants a long term deal. That pretty much takes are only all terrain type forward away. Could be a lot of young guys rotated through the roster. Someone get Q a massaging recliner with a built-in cooler for behind the bench. He might explode before we get to game 20. A lot of fresh meat for his dog house though.

I think a team that is closer to contention like NYI would be considering the 31 year old Crawfish. Toronto and Calgary are not going to contend for the Cup next year, so I see their logic in going after the younger goalies. Don't forget, Fluery is also on the market. So, if Stan's plan to shed cap space for Panarin's extension and much needed roster depth is moving Crow, he needs to act quickly bc it appears the goalie market is drying up.....
- EnzoD

Who were the players to start? Toronto, Calgary, Buffalo? Some Bishop to Calgary rumblings...

But has another one been added?
- John Jaeckel

I still think Winnipeg has a boatload of assets and young talent, but two sieves between the pipes. I dont think StanBo would think twice about trading Crow to the Jets if they took his full $6mil off the books. IDK JJ but I think Stan needs to act quickly in shedding this cap space. Seems like the GM's this year are all acting aggressively, making moves early and often....

Who were the players to start? Toronto, Calgary, Buffalo? Some Bishop to Calgary rumblings...
- Aetherial

JJ also mentioned Winnipeg as having interest.

I am really starting to think maybe these guys should be spending a couple months off. Toews has played a F of a lot of hockey. Probably a good idea to give his body a rest.
- Aetherial

If there is one major finding in training over the last 3 decades it is the absolute importance of rest/recovery and the supplements that speed that process up......... Simply said you can get weaker going to the gym today.

I love the idea of a player like Toews staying away from the rink and gym for a month, maybe two. Not just for the physical benefits but just as important mentally.

Sucks because the more i think about it, the more it seems that if we keep Crawford we'll only be a 3 line team(AKA not a Cup contender). I'd much rather use his 6mil on more forward depth. I think thats more important come playoff time than the starting goalie. I think we saw the Pens prove that once again this year, and we've seen plenty of other examples in previous seasons as well.
- SimpleJack

Can't disagree here at all. The forward depth will really take a squeeze if Shaw is sent off. Bottom 6 will have Kruger and Desjardins and maybe Panik. Void is still another LW.

McGinn, Tlusty, Versteeg are cheap (cheaper) options as opposed to Ladd or say Boedker for example. Sign one of those guys as a LW and there is a slight improvement.

Division rivals means nothing. We traded Chelios to Detroit for God's sake!!
- tyweb69

And put a stain/stink on him that can never go away!!

If there is one major finding in training over the last 3 decades it is the absolute importance of rest/recovery and the supplements that speed that process up......... Simply said you can get weaker going to the gym today.

I love the idea of a player like Toews staying away from the rink and gym for a month, maybe two. Not just for the physical benefits but just as important mentally.
- Mr Ricochet

I'm sure he is getting plenty of daily cardio at home, anyways.

Michael Grosso ‏@RumorBreak 1m1 minute ago
*BREAKING*: Per source CGY has offered 2 2nd rounders + Backlund + prospects for Ben Bishop. Ball in TB's court. - fixed the typo.

I'd feel better if Panik was on a lower line. I'm not ready to anoint him to the second line, and hope the Hawks fine someone willing to take a one year deal for a shot at the Cup at that spot.
- howiehandles

Connor Sheary, Bryan Rust? Maybe maybe not..........

I think it is WAY too premature to assume Crawford is:
a) being traded
b) not being traded

There ARE at least 2 and possibly as many as 4-5 possible destinations out there.
- John Jaeckel

Fair enough....but as more and more potential trading partners find their goalie elsewhere it becomes less likely that Crawford will be dealt. Not impossible, but less likely.