I think Crow gets about 23-24 teams closer to a cup but is it an area of need and what's in the pipeline? With Ghost up and Provorov and Sanheim coming they look ok on D for the future but yea they could use a solid #4ish type guy to hold down the fort.
- Mr Ricochet

playing behind the flyers current D i don't think CC would have had any significant difference is all; despite imo being better than both. Goalie is actually the least of their worries
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Baun Hartman Forsling Pokka .I know don't sound good ,but who had heard of those Kids Pitt used this year . Just interesting to here a old dog like Rutherford say he learned something new this year ,It is very difficult to teach us old dogs new tricks as they say
- oldduffman

Baun, likely CAREER high end is as a 13th forward
Hartman, maybe could help on the 4th line this year
Forsling, 170 pounds, zero NA experience, NOT happening this year
Pokka, maybe as a 6-7 guy with lots of press box time

So, let's start to get real

playing behind the flyers current D i don't think CC would have had any significant difference is all; despite imo being better than both. Goalie is actuary the least of their worries
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- rinaldo

I hear your rationale and that may be exactly what Hextall is thinking, dunno

Travis Sanheim or the Philly Morin would be my target if I were Stan
- ikeane

You can't afford them. Maybe Robert Hagg or Gudas?

Nor did I, but this guy apparently has it all figured out.
- John Jaeckel

Never thought of Buffalo as a POSSIBLE destination for Crow until you mentioned it a few days ago. I can see some sense made for both sides on that deal but for me it mostly hinges on Murray's timeline for winning. Same with TOR as they may be happy to draft top 5-6-7 again next year before they ice their very best lineup.

As far as Shaw goes I think you have 29 teams that would welcome him. Kid is a Swiss army knife with two cups under his belt. That's a lot of cred in the room for a youngish team looking for direction.

you are correct sir, was a little shocked he said they had some interest
- rinaldo

That was last summer in Sharp discussions, FWIW

I hear your rationale and that may be exactly what Hextall is thinking, dunno
- John Jaeckel

me either which is good....they are still a ways out from being legit cup contenders. unless a big trade i dont see any big free agent deals. all 1 or 2 year short term. Have a good one.

Baun, likely CAREER high end is as a 13th forward
Hartman, maybe could help on the 4th line this year
Forsling, 170 pounds, zero NA experience, NOT happening this year
Pokka, maybe as a 6-7 guy with lots of press box time

So, let's start to get real
- John Jaeckel

If Shaw does go, Hartman becomes that much more important to the organization. Ross fits the Shaw mold, but will the team hang onto him after his cell phone gate?

me either which is good....they are still a ways out from being legit cup contenders. unless a big trade i dont see any big free agent deals. all 1 or 2 year short term. Have a good one.
- rinaldo

FWIW, I really like the direction the Flyers are headed in. Tough team for sure.

Jim Rutherford's team is trying to get into the playoffs, the Hawks are trying to do a lot more than that. 4-5 Rockford players getting regular minutes is a recipe for disaster.
- John Jaeckel

Jim Rutherford team Pittsburgh just Won the SC , and he mentioned the Kids were a big part of that ..

Sill can't understand trade speculation regarding Crawfish, while I understand salary cap room it would provide i still go back to what I said in the past you don't trade a top flight goalie unless you have something close to the equivalent to replace him and while it may be nice to have flexibility when it comes to backfilling the roster if you don't have someone who can stop the puck what does it matter.

Jim Rutherford team Pittsburgh just Won the SC , and he mentioned the Kids were a big part of that ..
- oldduffman

it wasnt by design by any means. They had no choice to play them; clearly worked out well

Crawford, shaw, Hartman and a 3rd for Percy and a 6th.

it wasnt by design by any means. They had no choice to play them; clearly worked out well
- rinaldo

I know that ,but what Jim Said is bringing up more then one player at a time was very beneficial .That is all I was getting at

RUMORS:

Finally caught up on comments, two notes from a source this AM:

Hawks hoping to get Shaw to do a Kruger-esque 1-year bridge deal. 'help us now, we'll reward you later.'

Crawford has NOT been asked for a list of teams.

Hawks are actually trying to extend Ladd, but if they can't get to a place where it looks like a deal can eventually be reached, they may trade his pre-UFA rights (look for a 7th round pick or something).

OPINION:

On Shaw, good news is, his agent is the same guy the Hawks made a lot richer with the Kane and Toews deals; he may be just the guy you want representing Shaw in this, assuming Shaw really wants to be in Chicago.

IF I WERE SHAW, HIS FAMILY, HIS AGENT, I would not do it.

With his injury history and style of play, it's a huge risk. Further, I would love to see how Stanley is going to get the $ to reward Shaw next summer, unless they can clear $ through expansion.

On Crawford, I shared word for word what I heard but to me, knowing the source and what they've told me in the past, it felt like the word "yet" was implied.

If they are really trying to sign Ladd and somehow keep Shaw, then pretty much for sure, Crawford is a goner.

RUMORS:

Finally caught up on comments, two notes from a source this AM:

Hawks hoping to get Shaw to do a Kruger-esque 1-year bridge deal. 'help us now, we'll reward you later.'

Crawford has NOT been asked for a list of teams.

Hawks are actually trying to extend Ladd, but if they can't get to a place where it looks like a deal can eventually be reached, they may trade his pre-UFA rights (look for a 7th round pick or something).

OPINION:

On Shaw, good news is, his agent is the same guy the Hawks made a lot richer with the Kane and Toews deals; he may be just the guy you want representing Shaw in this, assuming Shaw really wants to be in Chicago.

IF I WERE SHAW, HIS FAMILY, HIS AGENT, I would not do it.

With his injury history and style of play, it's a huge risk. Further, I would love to see how Stanley is going to get the $ to reward Shaw next summer, unless they can clear $ through expansion.

On Crawford, I shared word for word what I heard but to me, knowing the source and what they've told me in the past, it felt like the word "yet" was implied.

If they are really trying to sign Ladd and somehow keep Shaw, then pretty much for sure, Crawford is a goner.
- John Jaeckel

any flyers rumors!!!!!!

Baun, likely CAREER high end is as a 13th forward
Hartman, maybe could help on the 4th line this year
Forsling, 170 pounds, zero NA experience, NOT happening this year
Pokka, maybe as a 6-7 guy with lots of press box time

So, let's start to get real
- John Jaeckel

Pittsburgh's Cup looks pretty real .Like I said Rutherford said bringing up more then one prospect at a time was something new and worked great for the kids .All I am saying ...

playing behind the flyers current D i don't think CC would have had any significant difference is all; despite imo being better than both. Goalie is actually the least of their worries
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- rinaldo

IMO with the passing of Snyder Hextall doesn't have the intense pressure to win a cup every year. I think he can let Mason play out the year and leave as a UFA and go with Neuvirth while waiting on Stolarz or the Swede to be the goalie of their future.

Agreed today the Philly D is suspect but in 3 years it will be a strength.

Jim Rutherford team Pittsburgh just Won the SC , and he mentioned the Kids were a big part of that ..
- oldduffman

Right, sorry, Carolina state of mind.

Jim Rutherford had better kids. Period.

You want to pin your season's hopes on Baun and Forsling? Not saying Forsling doesn't have a chance of being a nice player some day, but the hawks' system is basically picked clean of NHL ready prospects.

And that is/was my point.

any flyers rumors!!!!!!
- rinaldo

You know where to get those.

Baun Hartman Forsling Pokka .I know don't sound good ,but who had heard of those Kids Pitt used this year . Just interesting to here a old dog like Rutherford say he learned something new this year ,It is very difficult to teach us old dogs new tricks as they say
- oldduffman

I'll bet ya Wiz did

RUMORS:

Finally caught up on comments, two notes from a source this AM:

Hawks hoping to get Shaw to do a Kruger-esque 1-year bridge deal. 'help us now, we'll reward you later.'

Crawford has NOT been asked for a list of teams.

Hawks are actually trying to extend Ladd, but if they can't get to a place where it looks like a deal can eventually be reached, they may trade his pre-UFA rights (look for a 7th round pick or something).

OPINION:

On Shaw, good news is, his agent is the same guy the Hawks made a lot richer with the Kane and Toews deals; he may be just the guy you want representing Shaw in this, assuming Shaw really wants to be in Chicago.

IF I WERE SHAW, HIS FAMILY, HIS AGENT, I would not do it.

With his injury history and style of play, it's a huge risk. Further, I would love to see how Stanley is going to get the $ to reward Shaw next summer, unless they can clear $ through expansion.

On Crawford, I shared word for word what I heard but to me, knowing the source and what they've told me in the past, it felt like the word "yet" was implied.

If they are really trying to sign Ladd and somehow keep Shaw, then pretty much for sure, Crawford is a goner.
- John Jaeckel

Would really like to keep Ladd. Also agree on Shaw. He needs to go get his big pay day before he destroys his body. Kid is a warrior.

Pittsburgh's Cup looks pretty real .Like I said Rutherford said bringing up more then one prospect at a time was something new and worked great for the kids .All I am saying ...
- oldduffman

It sure did work but most times it doesn't. At least not with more than 3 rookies penciled in every night......... But it's a hard cap world and until it gets fixed I think a lot teams will have no choice but to play a lot of rookies out of necessity.

Sill can't understand trade speculation regarding Crawfish, while I understand salary cap room it would provide i still go back to what I said in the past you don't trade a top flight goalie unless you have something close to the equivalent to replace him and while it may be nice to have flexibility when it comes to backfilling the roster if you don't have someone who can stop the puck what does it matter.
- jvanda

Unless you have $6 million to sign seven guys, Panarin's bonuses and new deal coming up next summer, etc.

You are falling into the same trap Wiz has (sorry); it is more about money than it is about on-ice ability.

You CANNOT make any decisions right now and ignore the money. Your rationale (sorry) does that.

I'll bet ya Wiz did
- vabeachbear

And I bet he would grudgingly agree they were/are better prospects than what the Hawks have right now—as far as NHL-ready talent.