Are there really 4 to 5 players in Rockford?
- vabeachbear

Baun Hartman Forsling Pokka .I know don't sound good ,but who had heard of those Kids Pitt used this year . Just interesting to here a old dog like Rutherford say he learned something new this year ,It is very difficult to teach us old dogs new tricks as they say

I don't follow Chicago so if someone can tell me how good Crawford is and also Shaw and if Toronto is interested any idea what they are worth in a trade?
- sparky

Hmmmm two time cup winning goalie. Won it last time with timonen and a ragtag bottom pairing. Would be a huge loss. In 2013 Shaw takes a clearing attempt to the cheek and wins the cup with blood streaming down his face. Heart and soul pest in the mold of Marchand or cicerelli

Thanks JJ!

Do you forsee things happening soon or at the draft?

And first!
- ikeane

Not soon, nothing til FINAL cap number is announced

Just a thought: If Malkin really wants out of Pitt., What about a Patrick Kane - Malkin even swap? Saves us about 1 mil per year. No more Kane PR nightmares. Makes us strong down the middle, and a good RW is easier to find than a good center.

Thoughts ?
- OutlawSteve

Is CC the mystery guy you had moving with a surprise player coming back?

If not, is that rumor dead now with the cap where it is?
- vabeachbear

I had no more info that just that, TT may have been the "surprise"

John you mentioned the flyers. What fit and what players do you possibly see involved there in your opinion?
- rinaldo

I have heard nothing as far as a source on the Flyers, but a Crawford for Mason and a pick swap makes a lot of sense for both teams, unless you have assumed Neuvirth can win you a Cup. Some might. Some might not.

Hawks also were linked to a Matt Read discussion last summer.

I don't follow Chicago so if someone can tell me how good Crawford is and also Shaw and if Toronto is interested any idea what they are worth in a trade?
- sparky

To put it simply, they both grow on ya. Took a lot for hawk fans to warm up to CC but he's a solid goalie and plays huge when it matters. Shaw leaves it all on the ice and plays with his heart on his sleeve.

Renaud Lavoie

Chateauguay
- Not_Yan

Merci, Je crois que Chateugay est en état New York

Great insight JJ. I think the cap issues and the fact that they out to get a top Swedish goalie means the writing is on the wall for Crawford. Bummer.

That said, Buffalo could be intriguing as a dance partner. Maybe something like Crow + rights to Shaw for Reinert, Deslauries, and a 2016 2nd.

Islanders too if we could get Brock Nelson.

Toronto? Don't know much about them.

John Jaeckel: A Change Is Gonna Come
- John Jaeckel

Wow If what you say is true then I am super glad Lou got Schneider instead !

ok...I would have figured neavirth as much cheaper than mason if crawford was moved elsewhere..

I don't see any deal with crawford coming to the flyers. flyers imo have no interest in crawford.
- rinaldo

Maybe not, but do you have a quote from the GM that they are not interested in Crawford? Unless you do, and even then (remember, Jim Nill said at this time last year the Stars had no interest in Sharp), speculation is fair game.

You, and a fair amount of Flyer fans who've posted here in recent weeks need to settle down and accept one premise, regardless of whether Hextall and Bowman ever speak another word to one another, to 30 NHL GMs:

Corey Crawford>>Michal Neuvirth.

Wow If what you say is true then I am super glad Lou got Schneider instead !
- blizzzard

Be as super glad as you want, a lot of people (outside Chicago, too) think Crawford is better than Schneider, not much better but slightly better.

The two goalies, typically are considered about the same.

And by really no metric can someone say Schneider is a much better goalie, at least not justifying your posturing here.

So, have a good day.

I have heard nothing as far as a source on the Flyers, but a Crawford for Mason and a pick swap makes a lot of sense for both teams, unless you have assumed Neuvirth can win you a Cup. Some might. Some might not.

Hawks also were linked to a Matt Read discussion last summer.
- John Jaeckel

disagree as goaltender hasnt been an issue. while CC is better than both he doesnt get the flyers any closer to a cup imo. Flyers need wingers and quality Dman.

if CC elsewhere is moved yes mason would be a good fit for the hawks.

read for a pick works.....

Would the Sabres go for Lehner, Deslauries and their second this year for CC? Even with a raise, Deslauries would be under $1M, Lehner is $2.2M and this would provide a decent 3/4L, goalie who I think Jimmy can work with, $3M cap savings, and a move up in the second round making up for the pick lost in the KT trade.
- blackhawk24

I don't think that's enough for the Sabres, if I had to guess. But I bet they'd do a Shaw deal. Guys I could see in that kinda deal would be RFA Dman Pysk, maybe 1st round pick power forward prospect Hudson Fasching or a C/LW Johan Larsson (I'm not sold on this kid though but no doubt skilled). None on their own are enough for Shaw IMO.

As was mentioned yesterday Crow and Shaw going together brings a 10 mil cap hit but of course a club could take both and move Shaw.

Seriously?! Tim Murray trades a 1st round pick just last year for the goalie (Lehner) he wanted more than any other and now Hawks fans think that he will send Lehner, Deslauriers AND a 2nd round pick to Chicago to help them with their cap situation?! That's funny. I can see the Sabres going after Shaw, but Crawford at $6 million is not happening without another asset involved in the deal heading to Buffalo. Crawford was an alternative for Murray last year if he didn't land Lehner. I think it is safe to say you should hope Toronto wants Crawford... The Sabres are not dealing Lehner already and if they keep him, then they need to expose one in expansion draft next year.
- djc1877

Who said anywhere the Hawks would not include another asset in a Crawford deal?

Oh, and, The Great Robin Lehner couldn't beat out Craig Anderson.

Crawford>>Lehner, too.

Good God.

Travis Sanheim or the Philly Morin would be my target if I were Stan
- ikeane

NO

I know 4 or 5 Rockford players sounds ridicules .But listening to Jim Rutherford the other day, and the 1st thing he said he learned this year was with injuries to Pitt it allowed him to bring up 5 young players from the farm team all at once .He said that those players together instead of just one guy at time worked great . They were not on their own ,went out to supper together and had each other back .And we all seen the results of that in the playoffs . Also and this a BIG also they had played for the coach on the farm . So there is that and Q not going anywhere I would think .

Crow and Shaw would be big losses ,but the all mighty dollar runs the show now .If it were the Leafs maybe both players could bring back a JVR I know I know.
- oldduffman

Jim Rutherford's team is trying to get into the playoffs, the Hawks are trying to do a lot more than that. 4-5 Rockford players getting regular minutes is a recipe for disaster.

Was this message board speculation or revealed by a beat or national writer? Never heard that rumor.

Indeed Murray wanted this unproven 6ft 5in 240lb who turns 25 in July. Many wondered if he overpaid giving up that first rounder last year, I don't though.

Kid has played in U-20 and U-18 WJC games and their top junior club in Sweden. Stuck behind Anderson, Bishop (a few years ago) and when he got a chance with another Anderson injury Hamburglar got a couple starts and went on a record setting run leaving Lehner to watch. Then moved to Buffalo for a 1st last year and breaks his ankle 25 games in.

He comes with concerns as he's never started more than 30 games and has a bit of an injury history to go along with that huge frame..... At 24, great size, solid SPG stats, passes my eye test, last year of an ELC you might get a 3.5-4 mil per 3 yr bridge deal next summer. ........Best case scenario you get a kid who earns a 3.5-4 mil per 3 yr bridge deal next year and he starts 55+ games over that span.

If Pegula wants to win now or next year that would be a reason to trade for the two time cup winner with a top 4 SPG over the last 3 years.
- Mr Ricochet

Nor did I, but this guy apparently has it all figured out.

Be as super glad as you want, a lot of people (outside Chicago, too) think Crawford is better than Schneider, not much better but slightly better.

The two goalies, typically are considered about the same.

And by really no metric can someone say Schneider is a much better goalie, at least not justifying your posturing here.

So, have a good day.
- John Jaeckel

Yep you to !

disagree as goaltender hasnt been an issue. while CC is better than both he doesnt get the flyers any closer to a cup imo. Flyers need wingers and quality Dman.

if CC elsewhere is moved yes mason would be a good fit for the hawks.

read for a pick works.....
- rinaldo

I think Crow gets about 23-24 teams closer to a cup but is it an area of need and what's in the pipeline? With Ghost up and Provorov and Sanheim coming they look ok on D for the future but yea they could use a solid #4ish type guy to hold down the fort.

disagree as goaltender hasnt been an issue. while CC is better than both he doesnt get the flyers any closer to a cup imo. Flyers need wingers and quality Dman.

if CC elsewhere is moved yes mason would be a good fit for the hawks.

read for a pick works.....
- rinaldo

Not for Chicago. Too much $.

I don't follow Chicago so if someone can tell me how good Crawford is and also Shaw and if Toronto is interested any idea what they are worth in a trade?
- sparky

I have heard Toronto is interested in Crawford and in Ryan Hartman. Doesn't mean that rules anyone else out.

The "emerging" market I heard 48 hours ago for Crawford might be a mid first round pick (but that is likely negotiable based on what teams actually can offer).

Not for Chicago. Too much $.
- 93Joe

you are correct sir, was a little shocked he said they had some interest

Yep you to !
- blizzzard

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- EnzoD