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JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
I think the time to do it, would be now, if we don't land stamkos, not a year from now

kane-eichel-ror
twins-reinhart

it's an upgrade over what we have now

- homiedclown


I just can't.... at 7M...

Daniel I would at least listen on if they would take some salary back or something but Henrik... yikes.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
I think the time to do it, would be now, if we don't land stamkos, not a year from now

kane-eichel-ror
twins-reinhart

it's an upgrade over what we have now

- homiedclown


I'll give Van a 3rd for both of them. Otherwise, a big ol (frank) that.
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:40 PM ET
can we get miller too??

i would prefer we not do that. how much do they have left in their soft little tanks?

- IndianaSabresFan


I actually would love to have Markstrom.

(I might or might not trade Johnson for him in NHL games every time)

*hides*
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:41 PM ET
I'll give Van a 3rd for both of them. Otherwise, a big ol (frank) that.
- TheSabresTaco

JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:41 PM ET
I'll give Van a 3rd for both of them. Otherwise, a big ol (frank) that.
- TheSabresTaco


If we could get Thatcher Demko's rights in that deal I'd be much more obliged.
cabin
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We need a You're an Ass button, NY
Joined: 09.07.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:42 PM ET

- Der Kaiser

Does it seem like everyone started drinking earlier than usual today...

Or is it just me ?


Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 17 @ 2:43 PM ET
For the record...

I was NOT comparing Ennis to Hall or Eberle as equals or even close to it. Hall and Eberle are hands down the better players.

My only point was... if we are going to sell off a top 4 dman and a #8 pick plus more.. I'd like their numbers, games played (Hall), etc to blow me out of the water as our legit LW candidate.

They both kind of strike me as Evander Kane types where they will be the first scapegoat anyone here will have if they don't pot 30 goals like Kane didn't in his first season.

- JVince11

Ebs is a right winger anyway.

But he's averaged 65 points a year over the last 5 years. That's true top line winger numbers. Top 5 over that span for right wingers too.
And hall is in another echelon altogether.

Either way, neither gets traded for anything less than one very quality defender. Even if the oilers needed to add to ebs to get it done. Don't think picks or extra pieces gets it done. Just my opinion though
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:43 PM ET
If we could get Thatcher Demko's rights in that deal I'd be much more obliged.
- JVince11

bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 17 @ 2:44 PM ET
Ebs is a right winger anyway.

But he's averaged 65 points a year over the last 5 years. That's true top line winger numbers. Top 5 over that span for right wingers too.
And hall is in another echelon altogether.

Either way, neither gets traded for anything less than one very quality defender. Even if the oilers needed to add to ebs to get it done. Don't think picks or extra pieces gets it done. Just my opinion though

- Ihateallofu


I honestly think Bogosian plus a 3rd and maybe a prospect could get it done for Eberle
JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:45 PM ET
Ebs is a right winger anyway.

But he's averaged 65 points a year over the last 5 years. That's true top line winger numbers. Top 5 over that span for right wingers too.
And hall is in another echelon altogether.

Either way, neither gets traded for anything less than one very quality defender. Even if the oilers needed to add to ebs to get it done. Don't think picks or extra pieces gets it done. Just my opinion though

- Ihateallofu


Granted I don't subject myself to torture of watching many Oilers games... but Hall I know is a two way player and very physical. Solid all around guy. Eberle is a huge defensive liability isn't he? All offense basically? yes? no?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jun 17 @ 2:46 PM ET
Does it seem like everyone started drinking earlier than usual today...

Or is it just me ?

- cabin

I started last night
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:47 PM ET
I started last night
- homiedclown

JVince11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfreid, Lets Go Roy... Eye of the freaking Tiger!!!, AK
Joined: 07.13.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:48 PM ET

- Der Kaiser



All of those songs she makes about boys breaking up with her..... and not a single one about bl0wjobs...

Get what I am saying here.... I think we know.
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 17 @ 2:51 PM ET
Granted I don't subject myself to torture of watching many Oilers games... but Hall I know is a two way player and very physical. Solid all around guy. Eberle is a huge defensive liability isn't he? All offense basically? yes? no?
- JVince11

He's weak defensively yeah. Or at least not committed to it. And not big enough that he can mask weak play in his own end without high effort.

A pretty typical highly skilled scorer/snipe really.

Goes quiet for a couple weeks, then gets hot and goes unconscious for stretches. But 65 per is nothing to sneeze at

I'm a big fan and you'll love him when he's hot. But you'll get frustrated at times.
I actually think he'd be even better offensively in the east
Maximum Signal
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2008

Jun 17 @ 2:52 PM ET
All of those songs she makes about boys breaking up with her..... and not a single one about bl0wjobs...

Get what I am saying here.... I think we know.

- JVince11



Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 17 @ 2:53 PM ET
I honestly think Bogosian plus a 3rd and maybe a prospect could get it done for Eberle
- bluengold12

I dunno

Depends on how desperate the oilers are I guess

The extra pieces don't really tip the scales to make it a more desirable deal. And bogos contract isn't ideal.

I think they aim higher and add to ebs if need be. But I dunno..

Not sure the two teams are good trade partners really.

For me, I'd only be interested in Risto. But since he's not going anywhere..
chilliard77
Location: NY
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:56 PM ET
Legends

dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:57 PM ET
Hall yes, Eberle goes missing half the season every season so I wouldn't deal for him.
- BigStew


He avg 76 gp per season and has never played less than 69 on a full season.
Sabresfan88
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville, TN
Joined: 08.01.2011

Jun 17 @ 2:57 PM ET
I have like 20 pairs of running and workout shoes all about the neon colors man I love green yellow orange blue purple
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I don't know you at all, but I think you are gay.
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Jun 17 @ 2:57 PM ET
I honestly think Bogosian plus a 3rd and maybe a prospect could get it done for Eberle
- bluengold12



I mean if chiarelli is one of those GMs who overvalues size then yea.
stashu
Buffalo Sabres
Location: SC
Joined: 06.04.2008

Jun 17 @ 2:58 PM ET
I dunno

Depends on how desperate the oilers are I guess

The extra pieces don't really tip the scales to make it a more desirable deal. And bogos contract isn't ideal.

I think they aim higher and add to ebs if need be. But I dunno..

Not sure the two teams are good trade partners really.

For me, I'd only be interested in Risto. But since he's not going anywhere..

- Ihateallofu


Who's really trading away any top pair d-men though? Not saying Bogosian is your only choice, but I don't think teams are looking to push away their #1 or #2 guys anywhere.
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 17 @ 2:59 PM ET
He avg 76 gp per season and has never played less than 69 on a full season.
- dadeadhead


I took it as scoring disappears


And while it's semi true for short stretches, can't really argue with his numbers every year.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 17 @ 3:01 PM ET
I took it as scoring disappears


And while it's semi true for short stretches, can't really argue with his numbers every year.

- Ihateallofu



And in those 76 go he avg 59 points per season.
BigStew
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.09.2007

Jun 17 @ 3:04 PM ET
He avg 76 gp per season and has never played less than 69 on a full season.
- dadeadhead


And is invisible half the season, very very streaky like Vanek. Not a guy I would give alot for, jmo.
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 17 @ 3:05 PM ET
Who's really trading away any top pair d-men though? Not saying Bogosian is your only choice, but I don't think teams are looking to push away their #1 or #2 guys anywhere.
- stashu

There's a few bandied about. But you're not wrong per se.

Either way, I don't think this means you necessarily settle on whatever u can get.


The oilers aren't in a total mess on the backend going forward and just need anyone semi reasonable.

They need a top pairing guy to play with klefbom. And a puck mover to play with sekera. Having nurse in the pipeline and Davidson who came out of nowhere, they give them a little wiggle room. They could potentially be really solid going forward and unless they get their man, notbsuper prudent to just "settle"

That said, the pressure to make a serious step forward now might be too much..
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