From last thread:



That's what I don't understand.

Why not play to the strengths of your team? That includes management. JB has the reputation of being a great evaluator of young talent. Let him work his magic for (frank) sakes.

If not, then why hire a rookie GM without credibility amongst his peers?

Edit: Oh yeah... and first bit©hes!
- bloatedmosquito

At the start of 2017 you will probably have Boeser Demko and this years draft pick looking to step in an play for the Canucks . Combine that with all the other young players here, that is a lot of youth. How much youth on a team do you need? When do you start worryiing about today and not always thinking about tomorrow?

As I pointed out on the last thread currently Canucks have 8 first round picks age 27 and under playing.

Apparently. I for one am fine with this approach (rebuild on the fly or whatever).
I'm against the tank approach and also obviously don't think we're in a position to really push for a cup...so....draft well and make moves to get those young players with upside.
- dbot

Another top 5 pick next year and we can compete with the big boys of the west in about 3-4 years. I hope to god we can be contenders by the 2020-2021 season.

At the start of 2017 you will probably have Boeser Demko and this years draft pick looking to step in an play for the Canucks . Combine that with all the other young players here, that is a lot of youth. How much youth on a team do you need? When do you start worryiing about today and not always thinking about tomorrow?

As I pointed out on the last thread currently Canucks have 8 first round picks age 27 and under playing.
- VANTEL

Agreed. plenty of youth added to this team since JB took the reins.
I hope Demko can make the jump next year. Although goalies have traditionally taken longer to develop, i see that trend changing.
Boesser is interesting too, as he's taking the slow(er) route and could very easily play for Utica next year.
Would be excellent to see both make the big club in 2017/18 tho

"The Canucks dealt away his rights to the New York Rangers at the 2004 trade deadline, but he signed as a free agent with the Philadelphia Flyers later that summer, leaving the Rangers empty-handed."


Not quite Carol, the Rangers received the compensatory pick for unsigned first rounders, which actually was probably worth more than a few games of the forgettable Martin Rucinsky the Canucks received!

Agreed. plenty of youth added to this team since JB took the reins.
I hope Demko can make the jump next year. Although goalies have traditionally taken longer to develop, i see that trend changing.
Boesser is interesting too, as he's taking the slow(er) route and could very easily play for Utica next year.
Would be excellent to see both make the big club in 2017/18 tho
- dbot

Boeser is playing in his second year of development this upcoming year. I think the start of 2017 he will be playing on third line of the Canucks

Agreed. plenty of youth added to this team since JB took the reins.
I hope Demko can make the jump next year. Although goalies have traditionally taken longer to develop, i see that trend changing.
Boesser is interesting too, as he's taking the slow(er) route and could very easily play for Utica next year.
Would be excellent to see both make the big club in 2017/18 tho
- dbot

Demko will be in the AHL next year for sure. Possibly a back up role the year after but its a lot to ride on and wouldnt bet on it. Boeser I could see jumping into the NHL right away just because of the teams direction in terms of youth but he could still be two years out from getting a roster spot. We cant afford to rush any of these guys. I would personally think they are both on the roster for sure by 2018/19.

Boeser is playing in his second year of development this upcoming year. I think the start of 2017 he will be playing on third line of the Canucks
- VANTEL

Agreed, I dont think he sees AHL time and will slot in the top 9 right away. He might take a bit to adjust to the NHL speed and systems, but he will be physically ready IMO

Demko will be in the AHL next year for sure. Possibly a back up role the year after but its a lot to ride on and wouldnt bet on it. Boeser I could see jumping into the NHL right away just because of the teams direction in terms of youth but he could still be two years out from getting a roster spot. We cant afford to rush any of these guys. I would personally think they are both on the roster for sure by 2018/19.
- WhatTheNuck

I will say they are both on the roster in 2017

Demko will be in the AHL next year for sure. Possibly a back up role the year after but its a lot to ride on and wouldnt bet on it. Boeser I could see jumping into the NHL right away just because of the teams direction in terms of youth but he could still be two years out from getting a roster spot. We cant afford to rush any of these guys. I would personally think they are both on the roster for sure by 2018/19.
- WhatTheNuck

Yeah, that's the thing. They obviously will be given an opportunity, but they have to earn the spots. No guarantee's.

Yeah, that's the thing. They obviously will be given an opportunity, but they have to earn the spots. No guarantee's.
- dbot

I think part of it will also depend on how the current youth is developing, for instance once management figures out what they're doing with JV(what worked, what didn't) they may gauge what to do with Boeser off of that.

Agreed, I dont think he sees AHL time and will slot in the top 9 right away. He might take a bit to adjust to the NHL speed and systems, but he will be physically ready IMO
- WhiteLie

The funny thing is Benning did a rebuild and no one knew it happened.

He said when he got here "We need to get younger bigger faster stronger" In two years he has pretty well done it.

Younger : JV Markstrom Bo Tryamkin Hutton Gudbrandson Baertshi Etem

Faster: JV Baertschi Etem Sutter Sbisa

Bigger : Tryamkin Pedan Gudbrandson JV Bo Etem Gaunce

Stronger : Pedan Gudbrandson Tryamkin Etem Dorsett

Top 10 Picks: JV Bo this years Gudbrandson

First round picks : Bo JV Etem Sven Sbisa Sutter Gaunce Gudbrandson

For those of you waiting for a rebuild to happen . Too late

The funny thing is Benning did a rebuild and no one knew it happened.

He said when he got here "We need to get younger bigger faster stronger" In two years he has pretty well done it.

Younger : JV Markstrom Bo Tryamkin Hutton Gudbrandson Baertshi Etem

Faster: JV Baertschi Etem Sutter Sbisa

Bigger : Tryamkin Pedan Gudbrandson JV Bo Etem Gaunce

Stronger : Pedan Gudbrandson Tryamkin Etem Dorsett

Top 10 Picks: JV Bo this years Gudbrandson

First round picks : Bo JV Etem Sven Sbisa Sutter Gaunce Gudbrandson

For those of you waiting for a rebuild to happen . Too late
- VANTEL

While I agree with your points for the most part I must point out that Bo and Gaunce were not JBs choices and Sbisa is not that fast

The funny thing is Benning did a rebuild and no one knew it happened.

He said when he got here "We need to get younger bigger faster stronger" In two years he has pretty well done it.

Younger : JV Markstrom Bo Tryamkin Hutton Gudbrandson Baertshi Etem

Faster: JV Baertschi Etem Sutter Sbisa

Bigger : Tryamkin Pedan Gudbrandson JV Bo Etem Gaunce

Stronger : Pedan Gudbrandson Tryamkin Etem Dorsett

Top 10 Picks: JV Bo this years Gudbrandson

First round picks : Bo JV Etem Sven Sbisa Sutter Gaunce Gudbrandson

For those of you waiting for a rebuild to happen . Too late
- VANTEL

I agree. He is turned over the roster pretty substantially. I think the reason most are still left wanting more is because of how the transition has gone so far. We have a inexperienced NHL coach and a lot more new staff learning the ropes. I have been pretty happy with the way things have gone considering how many new faces are playing on the roster. The Gudbranson trade was probably the best thing to happen to us because of a right shot defenceman being so sought after. I agree we are on the up compared to other teams at least in theory but I have a feeling that the consensus is still not satisfied because of the risks involved with players brought in. If next year we see improvements from all the players brought in then maybe it'll change but for now its still up in the air to see if any of these moves actually make the team better going forward. It looks good, but actions speak louder imo.

While I agree with your points for the most part I must point out that Bo and Gaunce were not JBs choices and Sbisa is not that fast
- NorthNuck

I never said drafted by JB . I said added to the Canucks since JB took over. Both Bo and Gaunce were on the Comets when JB got here. If I remember correctly it was Desjardins who told Bo he made the team.

The funny thing is Benning did a rebuild and no one knew it happened.

He said when he got here "We need to get younger bigger faster stronger" In two years he has pretty well done it.

Younger : JV Markstrom Bo Tryamkin Hutton Gudbrandson Baertshi Etem

Faster: JV Baertschi Etem Sutter Sbisa

Bigger : Tryamkin Pedan Gudbrandson JV Bo Etem Gaunce

Stronger : Pedan Gudbrandson Tryamkin Etem Dorsett

Top 10 Picks: JV Bo this years Gudbrandson

First round picks : Bo JV Etem Sven Sbisa Sutter Gaunce Gudbrandson

For those of you waiting for a rebuild to happen . Too late
- VANTEL

I made a post a while back of all the former first rounders he acquired from the past few years, most of them high picks. It is like you say, a rebuild on the fly. Not all are allstars but the bulk of the lineup are young players who still have upside to develop. The new core are the homegrown pieces like Horvat, JV, Tyamkin, Hutton, plus Boeser/Demko/5OA, I like the way JB has swapped pieces without dooming the franchise with years of basement dwelling

I never said drafted by JB . I said added to the Canucks since JB took over. Both Bo and Gaunce were on the Comets when JB got here. If I remember correctly it was Desjardins who told Bo he made the team.
- VANTEL

Bo was still in juniors, but I agree with every thing else you said. It's a rebuild, a cheap on the fly rebuild and it will take a few years before we can compare it to Toronto's full on tear down and rebuild.

I agree. He is turned over the roster pretty substantially. I think the reason most are still left wanting more is because of how the transition has gone so far. We have a inexperienced NHL coach and a lot more new staff learning the ropes. I have been pretty happy with the way things have gone considering how many new faces are playing on the roster. The Gudbranson trade was probably the best thing to happen to us because of a right shot defenceman being so sought after. I agree we are on the up compared to other teams at least in theory but I have a feeling that the consensus is still not satisfied because of the risks involved with players brought in. If next year we see improvements from all the players brought in then maybe it'll change but for now its still up in the air to see if any of these moves actually make the team better going forward. It looks good, but actions speak louder imo.
- WhatTheNuck

I agree that most people are unhappy and think Benning sucks. They are too busy complaining to realize most of it is done and we can soon hang on to draft picks and develop.

I think when The Sedins pack it in , a twenty four year  old Bo and and 29 year old Sutter will be fine.

Bo was still in juniors, but I agree with every thing else you said. It's a rebuild, a cheap on the fly rebuild and it will take a few years before we can compare it to Toronto's full on tear down and rebuild.
- A_SteamingLombardi

I think the way TO did it is Oileresque and they will realize how young and unskilled of a team they have this year.

I made a post a while back of all the former first rounders he acquired from the past few years, most of them high picks. It is like you say, a rebuild on the fly. Not all are allstars but the bulk of the lineup are young players who still have upside to develop. The new core are the homegrown pieces like Horvat, JV, Tyamkin, Hutton, plus Boeser/Demko/5OA, I like the way JB has swapped pieces without dooming the franchise with years of basement dwelling
- WhiteLie

Well said

I made a post a while back of all the former first rounders he acquired from the past few years, most of them high picks. It is like you say, a rebuild on the fly. Not all are allstars but the bulk of the lineup are young players who still have upside to develop. The new core are the homegrown pieces like Horvat, JV, Tyamkin, Hutton, plus Boeser/Demko/5OA, I like the way JB has swapped pieces without dooming the franchise with years of basement dwelling
- WhiteLie

I think another side to it is how he did it while maintaining the cap space going forward. I know this is still yet to be seen because of some needing new contracts but with the amount between the next 3 years is pretty incredible if you include the Sedins coming off the books after two more years. Thats around 30-35 million in cap space cleared in three years and all the old core gone (pending the Sedins dont resign to a cheap contract). This is why I am really excited for the next few years and still want them to be all in on UFA's or RFA's that make sense for the future. The key part being limited term without any NMC or NTC clauses. If he signs anyone this year older than 30 to a big term contract it will only be detrimental going forward. Id say max term to anyone over that age should be 4 years to keep the trend of cap space shedding each year.

I think the way TO did it is Oileresque and they will realize how young and unskilled of a team they have this year.
- VANTEL

Unskilled? Vancouver is not going to be that good this year either.. both teams have a ways to go

I think another side to it is how he did it while maintaining the cap space going forward. I know this is still yet to be seen because of some needing new contracts but with the amount between the next 3 years is pretty incredible if you include the Sedins coming off the books after two more years. Thats around 30-35 million in cap space cleared in three years and all the old core gone (pending the Sedins dont resign to a cheap contract). This is why I am really excited for the next few years and still want them to be all in on UFA's or RFA's that make sense for the future. The key part being limited term without any NMC or NTC clauses. If he signs anyone this year older than 30 to a big term contract it will only be detrimental going forward. Id say max term to anyone over that age should be 4 years to keep the trend of cap space shedding each year.
- WhatTheNuck

Signing any UFA this summer for more than 1-2 years means protecting them in next years expansion draft.

I think another side to it is how he did it while maintaining the cap space going forward. I know this is still yet to be seen because of some needing new contracts but with the amount between the next 3 years is pretty incredible if you include the Sedins coming off the books after two more years. Thats around 30-35 million in cap space cleared in three years and all the old core gone (pending the Sedins dont resign to a cheap contract). This is why I am really excited for the next few years and still want them to be all in on UFA's or RFA's that make sense for the future. The key part being limited term without any NMC or NTC clauses. If he signs anyone this year older than 30 to a big term contract it will only be detrimental going forward. Id say max term to anyone over that age should be 4 years to keep the trend of cap space shedding each year.
- WhatTheNuck

Benning hasn't won every trade, but I have a lot of respect for how he has changed the team.

Unskilled?
- ClarksonDavid

Oh you will have a skilled team, Oileresque skilled.