Yeah, he broke most of the AHL records last season for a goalie.
- cap1681

Totally a bust

I love how Murray has went from savior of this team in the playoffs to potential bust material and huge risk in a matter of about a week.
- cap1681

People are coming down from their playoff highs and realising the risks of trusting a 23 year old with the key to the city.

He's a tweener at best. And worth about half of what he's paid. Taking him on would hurt more than it would help.
- hardnosed

No he's actually a very good two way player. Paid about right IMO. Calgary would not want to lose him.

It means they're out of the goalie market and they'll have to expose Jon Gillies. Not a huge risk I admit but it's still there.
- tincup

I don't think Gillies get claimed. I'm almost certain Murray does.

He's a tweener at best. And worth about half of what he's paid. Taking him on would hurt more than it would help.
- hardnosed

Agreed. Solid player, I just love the "bona fide" label when the dude has never hit 50 points.

But I forgot actual goals/points do not matter, only expected goals and points.

I agree with some posters here that I'm not 100% sold on Murray. He had the benefit of playoff teams not having a book on him in the first rounds. When they did he looked really average. Also, sometimes when a player wins it all early they are not nearly as dedicated to their offseason training. He may get a swelled head. Unless a trade that absolutely can't be passed up comes along I'm fine waiting. A lot of poop can happen in the regular season.

Either way, the point isn't Jarry, it's Murray and his value to the team vs a top 5 pick/winger. Not making a strong trade of Murray because of Jarry is nuts, you focus on Murray deal knowing Jarry is in development and that Fleury has at least 2-3 years of solid hockey left...if Jarry doesn't pan out, not the end of the world. However, if Murray doesn't pan out you forfeit potential of a top-line player for the foreseeable future. If Murray does pan out, great, a goalie alone doesn't win you the cup...if anything, history has shown a strong team with solid D can make up for a weaker goalie...
- mventres

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.
- all-pgh

Tough to say...but it was one of FLOLrys best seasons in his career...tough to judge on essentially one playoff game

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.
- all-pgh

It would have been tough for him coming off that injury for sure. If he hadn't been hurt though?

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.
- all-pgh

I disagree with that. If MAF gave up some of those soft goals like Murray did, some people would lose their minds.

Geno might need elbow surgery

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.
- all-pgh

No way to ever know that, and obviously assumes the concussion didn't happen either. If the PIT D played as well in front of Fleury as they did in front of Murray (maybe compensating for him too), I think one could make a strong argument for either goalie leading to a cup win.

Either way, the question isn't about the past, it is about the future. How confident are you in Murray, without having Fleury around? I saw enough holes in Murray's game that without excellent D, could be quite troublesome...

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.
- all-pgh

I dont believe the moon landing was real. They really landed on Uranus and dont want to have people make jokes. That doesn't mean anything of course considering I'm just a random guy on the internet. Any other pointless opinions we should discuss?

As they stand right now, I wouldn't trade for an NHL player and his contract but for prospects unless something too good to pass up came along.

This team will pretty much stay unchanged going into next season and I see no need to tweak it any further as they will probably just gel even more and get even better seeing as how they've only been together in this revision for a short time.

I would look at what they'll probably need two to three years from now to replace some players who will be moving on or heading down the back side of their prime and could be trade casualties. I would concentrate on growing for the future.

I believe they are currently deep enough at center with Fehr and Sundqvist and I like the mix of young and veteran wingers they currently have. It was good enough to in them a cup, no? Young players like Sheary (Kunitz replacement), Rust, Sprong should only get better and for a change I'd like to see them become more important/key players on the team instead of automatically looking for something shinny and expensive from outside. That's how Shero did things for too long.

I'd be happy with Fleury for an AHL defenseman with top 2 pairing potential and a solid pick.

I disagree with that. If MAF gave up some of those soft goals like Murray did, some people would lose their minds.
- madmike71

My take on them is that MAF will win you games. He will also lose you games. Murray at this point seems to be consistent but then again that was an amazing defensive performance in front of him. 2 shots in the 3rd with a PP!

If I were GM I would at least pick up the phone to see what GM's are offering.

I'd be happy with Fleury for an AHL defenseman with top 2 pairing potential and a solid pick.
- NJPensfan

I think everyone would. Good luck with that.

My take on them is that MAF will win you games. He will also lose you games. Murray at this point seems to be consistent but then again that was an amazing defensive performance in front of him. 2 shots in the 3rd with a PP!

If I were GM I would at least pick up the phone to see what GM's are offering.
- sammy87

Dude, did you hear that the parade was yesterday?

Geno might need elbow surgery
- nh4442

Dude is always hurt.

Dude, did you hear that the parade was yesterday?
- jmatchett383

Thats in the past...time to move forward.

Geno might need elbow surgery
- nh4442

and back surgery if his kid is colicky and he has to walk with him all night long.

It means they're out of the goalie market and they'll have to expose Jon Gillies. Not a huge risk I admit but it's still there.
- tincup

Isn't that kinda the point of trading for a goalie? Or do you want to trade for a goalie that fails so you gave up assets for nothing but at least you're still on the market?

Thats in the past...time to move forward.
- sammy87

Well you kept asking, so I wanted to make sure you were aware.

Lots of overreactions in this comment section. This is how its gonna slide:

Official expansion parameters are going to be announced at next week's award show in Vegas. If expansion comes in 2017 and all NMC (partial and full) are autoprotected then one of two things will happen. MAF will be moved for peanuts, or Murray will be moved for a nice haul. This has nothing to do with MAF sucking or having no faith in Murray.

Keeping Murray for the long haul is priority #1. Moving MAF is favor of Murr is low risk high reward. At the point Murray is at worst league average, and you can win with a league average net minder (Niemi, Anttti; Eliot, Brian; Jones, Martin; Quick, Jonathan [trolllllllll]). Fleury is a good starting 'tender, but he's also a lot older and a lot more expensive. He's gonna likely tap out before the Sid/Geno window does, and he's gonna strain our cap harder than Murray will over the next several years. If Murray doesn't reach his perceived ceiling, even him at his floor gives us a better chance to win the Flower because of longevity and cap.

However, if Flower can't be moved, then trading Murray becomes a must. We have a lot more assets than once believed, but we still don't have many high end assets. The list begins and ends with Murray and Sprong. Pouliot and next year's first are a tier bellow. We can't just lose one of those assets for nothing. If it looks like we're gonna lose Murr to expansion, we need to try to replace him through a trade. Again, nothing to do with not having faith in him, its just a question of asset management.

I dont believe the moon landing was real. They really landed on Uranus and dont want to have people make jokes. That doesn't mean anything of course considering I'm just a random guy on the internet. Any other pointless opinions we should discuss?
- Zac_O

I guess nobody told you but you've been coming here everyday discussing pointless opinions.

I don't believe the Pens win the Cup this year with MAF in goal.
- all-pgh

I can imagine 90% of the fan base would have said the same thing about Murray as well if they knew he would be the starting goalie for all but two playoff games.

What does this mean? Just like your opinion, nothing.