Well thats about the dumbest thing possible for so many reason. Teams will be forced to protect pending UFAs even if they dont plan to sign them. Will the new team just get handed a draft pick?
- Zac_O

Yeah the new team gets put in the draft lottery with the chance of picking first and no later than 4th.

Murray hits RFA after this year...so he's only really a megabargain for one more season.
- hardnosed

Yeah but he doesn't have arbitration rights so he's not going to get a huge deal or even as much as MAF is making now.

Interesting tidbit from Yohe. If Fleury is traded, the Penguins are big on Brian Elliott.

How about this one:

Fleury and Pouliot to Dallas for Oduya and their 1st round pick. Pens get some cap space to sign Schultz and a great skating replacement with a good first pass to replace Lovejoy and they get a terrific prospect to possibly replace Gogligoski and QB the PP, and a great goalie.
- NJPensfan

I dont think Dallas is trading Oduya if they just lost GoGo.

I love how Murray has went from savior of this team in the playoffs to potential bust material and huge risk in a matter of about a week.
- cap1681

Yeah no kidding. It's embarrassing reading some of these comments and trade proposals. Murray is the real deal. And he makes it look easy because he's always in the right position at the perfect angle. His brain automatically does advanced physics calculations and his body responds.

Interesting tidbit from Yohe. If Fleury is traded, the Penguins are big on Brian Elliott.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I was thinking Johnson or Enroth.... Good back up at low cost. Can do a 70/30 season with them.


Also once Cal gets their new head coach today the fun will begin.

Here is my CapFriendly armchair GM

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/armchair-gm/team/125617

Interesting tidbit from Yohe. If Fleury is traded, the Penguins are big on Brian Elliott.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Just got done reading that...

Interesting thoughts on MAF and DP.

I dont think Dallas is trading Oduya if they just list GoGo.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

But they'll be getting Pouliot and have cap space to find an adequate replacement for Oduya. I would actually think they would want to go cheaper and lose Oduya's contract so they can better have a chance at signing their UFA's.

Yeah no kidding. It's embarrassing reading some of these comments and trade proposals. Murray is the real deal. And he makes it look easy because he's always in the right position at the perfect angle. His brain automatically does advanced physics calculations and his body responds.
- Dcoms

It's not that insane. Murray at minimum needs a reliable backup. He started showing some holes in his game near the end of the playoffs. The team was playing incredible team defense in front of him. I think most project Murray as an above average goaltender but this situation has happened many times in the past and teams get burnt on short sample sizes.

Again, I think its likely he remains a solid goaltender, I think it's foolish to put all your eggs in the Murray basket without a 1A type backup. Murray/Zatkoff doesn't scream championship quality depth.

I've said it before and I'll say it again MAF to Dallas for Niemi, this guy https://youtu.be/8LvyTOSLzDY, and their first this year. MAF for Honka and the first for us taking on Niemi. Niemi is ok enough to be a backup this year and he can be bought out of the last year of his contract if he's not taken in the expansion draft. You have to make a goalie available in the expansion draft it's one of the parameters.

On what planet?

https://www.nhl.com/player/corey-crawford-8470645

https://www.nhl.com/playe...y-8470594?season=20152016
- NJPensfan

Well considering his SV% is better, as is his GAA over his career, then you look at playoff stats and Fleury as a .906 sv% compared to Crawfords .920... and his GAA is 2.66 compared to Crawfords 2.26... His EVSV% is better than Fleury's over his career... .617 career QS, over Fleury's .446 QS in the playoffs, regular season quality starts are .613 for Crawford and .542 for Fleury... I'm not really sure where he's not better than Fleury?

It's not that insane. Murray at minimum needs a reliable backup. He started showing some holes in his game near the end of the playoffs. The team was playing incredible team defense in front of him. I think most project Murray as an above average goaltender but this situation has happened many times in the past and teams get burnt on short sample sizes.

Again, I think its likely he remains a solid goaltender, I think it's foolish to put all your eggs in the Murray basket without a 1A type backup. Murray/Zatkoff doesn't scream championship quality depth.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

He started "showing holes in his game" when? Allowing a bad goal doesnt mean you played a bad game and he's never played that much, that's a lot of games in a row for anyone to expect perfection from a rookie. The guy has exceeded expectations at every level he has played at. He went 305 minutes in the AHL without letting in a goal. That's 1 minute short of 5 games in a row. Yes it's the AHL but they are still professional hockey players and he shut them all out. They will need to sign an established backup or take one back in trade simply because every team has to make one goalie available in the expansion draft.

I still think Schultz is going to get a way better offer than what JR could offer him. If Edm had not traded him in the first place, they would probably be the team offering 5-5.5 x 5 years or something crazy
- DeflatedPucks

Depends on the cap. The UFA dman market blows. Schultz could be the 6th-7th best guy on mkt. Part of me wouldn't mind picking up his QO if we dump Fleury for picks. We'd have the cap space next year. The year after that could be too high for our cap situation but if he improves you could pick up the QO again.

Pierre McGuire on TSN radio says that Pens are a dark horse for Vesey. That's not saying much but it is the first time I've actually heard any link to the Pens.

Well considering his SV% is better, as is his GAA over his career, then you look at playoff stats and Fleury as a .906 sv% compared to Crawfords .920... and his GAA is 2.66 compared to Crawfords 2.26... His EVSV% is better than Fleury's over his career... .617 career QS, over Fleury's .446 QS in the playoffs, regular season quality starts are .613 for Crawford and .542 for Fleury... I'm not really sure where he's not better than Fleury?
- j.boyd919

Crawford had a couple incredible playoff runs. If I remember correctly he was unreal in their last finals. If he's on the market too.....ouch. Maybe since the NHLPA took the escalator, he'll stay in Chicago.

By the way... How "minor league" is it that the NHL doesn't have the official rules of the expansion draft established by now? What a joke. It's such a quick off-season schedule with the draft and FA coming quickly.

Should have been written in stone a month ago....at the very least. They knew they were going to expand, regardless what they say.
- madmike71

Why would they have rules of the expansion draft out when they have yet to confirm expansion is even happening.

Pierre McGuire on TSN radio says that Pens are a dark horse for Vesey. That's not saying much but it is the first time I've actually heard any link to the Pens.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That would be great but there's no room unless you move kuni and one of sheary Wilson rust or Kuhn. There's just no room.

I think a Dallas deal would only work with a 3rd team involved.

To PIT: Nishkushkin, Niemi & DAL 1st.
To DAL: Fleury, PIT 2017 3rd & ARI 2016 4th.
To ARI: Pouliot & Lehtonen

So...
Pens get Nish, a late first and $2M in cap space for Fleury, Pouliot & next years 3rd.
Dallas gets a legit #1 goalie & 2 mid round picks and $4M cap space for a former first, this years first and two goalies they want to get rid of anyways.
Arizona gets a former top 10 pick who they can develop into a top 4 D man for taking on a big salary and a mid round pick.

Probably too many moving pieces and Arizona might have no interest in taking on a goalie but they have the cap space and would love Pouliot.
- MacPatty

I like this a lot. Dallas sends out Nuke and 1st for a MASSIVE dump of worthless cap and a couple picks. Zona gets a good prospect and can handle the cap. We address a need, get some extra cap space, and most importantly, protect Murr. Maybe send one of the two picks to Zona instead of Dallas to even it out.

IMO, this is a really good idea, but too complicated for it to come true in real life.

Pierre McGuire on TSN radio says that Pens are a dark horse for Vesey. That's not saying much but it is the first time I've actually heard any link to the Pens.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Did he substantiate that at all, or was that just Regis speculating?

Well considering his SV% is better, as is his GAA over his career, then you look at playoff stats and Fleury as a .906 sv% compared to Crawfords .920... and his GAA is 2.66 compared to Crawfords 2.26... His EVSV% is better than Fleury's over his career... .617 career QS, over Fleury's .446 QS in the playoffs, regular season quality starts are .613 for Crawford and .542 for Fleury... I'm not really sure where he's not better than Fleury?
- j.boyd919

I don't think there is a big difference between the two. A lot of love on this board for Paul Martin but I'll take Brent Seabrook or Nicklas Hjalmersson over Martin any day. My point is Chicago has had a much better d-core and better coaching than Pittsburgh has had with Fluery. Crawford is paid basically the same as Fluery so moving either one should be comparable.

I don't think it's crazy to question how Murrays play will be after 65+ games and into the playoffs. His play did fall off towards the end. Only 23 games played. That being said, I think a summer with our Tending coach will help immensely. He has flaws but they should be fairly easy to correct. No goalie is without their flaws, we will see Jones and Vasi come back to earth next year too. We need to find a cheap (good) older backup to help him through what would be his first full season and the adversity that is bound to come up.

That would be great but there's no room unless you move kuni and one of sheary Wilson rust or Kuhn. There's just no room.
- nh4442

There is always room for a prospect like Vesey. For all intents and purposes both LW positions on Sid and Geno's flanks are up for grabs. Sheary didn't do enough to solidify his spot and Kunitz is gone after next year anyways.

Brian Rust is a better player than Frolik. Losing our best trade chip for Frolik would nothing short of an embarrassment. Ryan Wilson always picks the dumbest trade targets. 2 years ago he wanted to trade Dumoulin and a first for 3 months of Jagr. What a nightmare trade that would have been.
- Dcoms

Frolik isn't as bad as you think and rust isn't as good ...

Lovejoy will get paid somewhere else.

Nobody is taking 1 more yr of Kunitz.
- sammy87

I bet the ducks would take Kunitz back no problem