The first makes it lopsided IMO. I think if you're including DP the the second is fine but I'd also take a 3rd. DP's value in the trade market at this point is less than what it is to this team. He's probably worth a mid 2nd at this point.
- Victoro311

Again his value is identical to nichuskin. Same draft pedigree. Same offensive production. Pouliot is 1 year older but that is fine for defenseman development path. By your logic we should should just aquire nichuskin for a 2nd.

Again his value is identical to nichuskin. Same draft pedigree. Same offensive production. Pouliot is 1 year older but that is fine for defenseman development path. By your logic we should should just aquire nichuskin for a 2nd.
- sditulli

Pouliot for nichuskin would be an even swap IMO. Pens could use some more cheap wingers and the stars desperately need help on D. So a trade essentially becomes fleury for Niemi (salary retained) and their first?

Pouliot for nichuskin would be an even swap IMO. Pens could use some more cheap wingers and the stars desperately need help on D. So a trade essentially becomes fleury for Niemi (salary retained) and their first?
- drummer829

In my proposal we included our 2nd.

So Pouliot for Nuke
Fleury + 2nd for Niemi + 1st

Ya I'm not high on him either. I think he's available though. I would pursue Bennet first and foremost (if available)
- nelson911

I would just not bother ...he won't be traded for a goalie ...the flames have gillies as their top prospect goalie so they don't need to trade for a young stud they can trade for a fleury or sign a Reimer ...either way Bennett won't be dealt

Geez. Who would want to play in Edmonton - it really is the place where you go to end it!! Meatloaf the poor bastard just thought he was going to sing a few songs play a tune or 2 get paid & get out of Dodge - ah, or ah Edmonton? He may never leave. Oh well, the Oil needs a little more size don't they?

Yes back to trade proposals!!! Champs!

In my proposal we included our 2nd.

So Pouliot for Nuke
Fleury + 2nd for Niemi + 1st
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That just looks lopsided to me. But I'm assigning negative value to niemi. I think his contract is as bad as bickell. Ufa maybe he's a 2 million a year back up. So your eating 2.5 a year in bad salary.

Fleury is worth a 1st...yes I will say that

- sditulli

I would be flabbergasted if Fleury fetched a first

I would be flabbergasted if Fleury fetched a first
- YuenglingJagr

He's coming off the best 2 statistical years of his career and is a borderline HOF. People over value picks at this time of year. He's also basically our regular season MVP. 30% of 1st round picks don't even play in the NHL. Of late round picks it likely higher. Its doubtful a 20 something pick becomes an impact player. Ben Lovejoy essentially netted a 1st round pick (Depres), Martin Erat netted a high 1st round pick (forsberg). Granted those are arguable 2 of the worst TDL deals. Flower in Calgary could improve their GA by 40-50 goals compared to last year.

I would be flabbergasted if Fleury fetched a first
- YuenglingJagr

Maybe not the Flames 1st but I wouldn't be shocked if there was a lower draft seeded team offered it. Lets be honest, once you get out of the top 10 or so (depending on the draft class), the draft is a crap shoot anyway. It's why you have Letang taken in the 3rd round with many busts (even 1st rounders) ahead of him. The draft is a fickle animal and it's why the Penguins have the 2005 1st overall pick and the dead last pick in that draft playing on the same line. While were at it, they have Sheary who wasn't drafted playing on that line as well.

Besides, Fleury was a 1st overall pick and the Pens don't have to trade him. The cap isn't killing them like people think it is. They basically hold the cards (even if Fleury demands a trade) and can ask for a 1st round pick if they really wanted to. BTW: Fleury is a top 10 goalie (IMO) in this league and has vast playoff experience and a Stanley cup winning playoff resume. I think he's worth a 1st round pick considering most of the 2016 1st rounders aren't and never will be as valuable as he is.

Besides: The Flames have at least a couple 2nd round picks they might want to offer and I'd be happier with that and a solid prospect, over just their 1st round pick anyway, even with it being the 6th overall.

I think a Dallas deal would only work with a 3rd team involved.

To PIT: Nishkushkin, Niemi & DAL 1st.
To DAL: Fleury, PIT 2017 3rd & ARI 2016 4th.
To ARI: Pouliot & Lehtonen

So...
Pens get Nish, a late first and $2M in cap space for Fleury, Pouliot & next years 3rd.
Dallas gets a legit #1 goalie & 2 mid round picks and $4M cap space for a former first, this years first and two goalies they want to get rid of anyways.
Arizona gets a former top 10 pick who they can develop into a top 4 D man for taking on a big salary and a mid round pick.

Probably too many moving pieces and Arizona might have no interest in taking on a goalie but they have the cap space and would love Pouliot.

I would be flabbergasted if Fleury fetched a first
- YuenglingJagr

I'm not saying Calgary would ever go for it but from a business standpoint if fleury gets you in the playoffs that's more revenue. Calgarys pick is probably too high to trade for a goalie but if they were about 17-30 I could see it

He's coming off the best 2 statistical years of his career and is a borderline HOF. People over value picks at this time of year. He's also basically our regular season MVP. 30% of 1st round picks don't even play in the NHL. Of late round picks it likely higher. Its doubtful a 20 something pick becomes an impact player. Ben Lovejoy essentially netted a 1st round pick (Depres), Martin Erat netted a high 1st round pick (forsberg). Granted those are arguable 2 of the worst TDL deals. Flower in Calgary could improve their GA by 40-50 goals compared to last year.
- sditulli

Agree with all that.

Plus, look how many picks Lindros netted for the Nordiques via the Flyers and Rangers.

Probably too many moving pieces and Arizona might have no interest in taking on a goalie but they have the cap space and would love Pouliot.
- MacPatty

Think Dallas might love him too with Gogo on the way out and if he goes to Arizona, the Coyotes won't be as needy of Pouliot.

Think Dallas might love him too with Gogo on the way out and if he goes to Arizona, the Coyotes won't be as needy of Pouliot.
- NJPensfan

Yeah, Im sure Dallas would want him too. Phoenix only has 2 D men under contract right now so they have plenty of room to take on both Gogo and Pouliot.

We can't be trading away DP if they don't sign Schultz. And they aren't going to resign Lovejoy... So now Schultz lovejoy and Dp would be gone in all those scenarios.

I think Schultz can be had for 2.75-3m/3yr deal. Dupuis goes on LTIR and they have to trade kuni for a mid pick. To make it all cap friendly. Then you run maatta letang, Dumo Daley, Schultz DP and go after a cheap 7Dman or bring up someone from AHL

While I still think flower goes at draft it's not going to happen any earlier then right before the pick. It all depends on who is on the board and at what spot.

I would be flabbergasted if Fleury fetched a first
- YuenglingJagr

Chicago is looking for a first with Crawford. Why wouldn't Fluery net a first?

I think a Dallas deal would only work with a 3rd team involved.

To PIT: Nishkushkin, Niemi & DAL 1st.
To DAL: Fleury, PIT 2017 3rd & ARI 2016 4th.
To ARI: Pouliot & Lehtonen

So...
Pens get Nish, a late first and $2M in cap space for Fleury, Pouliot & next years 3rd.
Dallas gets a legit #1 goalie & 2 mid round picks and $4M cap space for a former first, this years first and two goalies they want to get rid of anyways.
Arizona gets a former top 10 pick who they can develop into a top 4 D man for taking on a big salary and a mid round pick.

Probably too many moving pieces and Arizona might have no interest in taking on a goalie but they have the cap space and would love Pouliot.
- MacPatty

Interesting spin on it. Dallas is the one with the most roster turnover here but I could easily see them being willing to part with Nuke and their 1st to get rid of those two awful, bloated goalie contracts.

Chicago is looking for a first with Crawford. Why wouldn't Fluery net a first?
- Thunderbolt

Because he's not as good as Crawford.

I found a few quotes in an article that better articulate what I've tried to say the last two days:

In five years, is it better to have a 36-year-old elite goalie at the end of a career as the team window also closes, or potentially have a 27-year-old goalie entering his prime as the team begins a rebuild?

Murray will be an RFA after next season, which means the Penguins will get only one more cheap season from Murray. So, it’s a fallacy that Murray is the “cheaper” long term option. Murray will only be less expensive if he falls.

So yes, the Penguins will trade Fleury, by their choice or his. However, they’ll be dealing the better goalie. The long term savings will not be substantial after Murray signs his second contract as the Penguins again have a short term championship window.

Brian Rust is a better player than Frolik. Losing our best trade chip for Frolik would nothing short of an embarrassment. Ryan Wilson always picks the dumbest trade targets. 2 years ago he wanted to trade Dumoulin and a first for 3 months of Jagr. What a nightmare trade that would have been.

How about this one:

Fleury and Pouliot to Dallas for Oduya and their 1st round pick. Pens get some cap space to sign Schultz and a great skating replacement with a good first pass to replace Lovejoy and they get a terrific prospect to possibly replace Gogligoski and QB the PP, and a great goalie.

Because he's not as good as Crawford.
- j.boyd919

On what planet?

https://www.nhl.com/player/corey-crawford-8470645

https://www.nhl.com/playe...y-8470594?season=20152016

How about this one:

Fleury and Pouliot to Dallas for Oduya and their 1st round pick. Pens get some cap space to sign Schultz and a great skating replacement with a good first pass to replace Lovejoy and they get a terrific prospect to possibly replace Gogligoski and QB the PP, and a great goalie.
- NJPensfan

I still think Schultz is going to get a way better offer than what JR could offer him. If Edm had not traded him in the first place, they would probably be the team offering 5-5.5 x 5 years or something crazy

Jarry is no guarantee. I find it odd that he wasn't the go to guy in the playoffs for WBS.
- cap1681

Jarry missed the start of he playoffs because he was backing up Zatkoff in the NHL. WBS went with the hot hand and they stayed with it. It's no reflection on Jarry.