This thread is outrageous.

Bottom 6 probably needs help to. You might be right that Gogo is too expensive. I thought you only really had 3 top 4 D. Orpik doesn't count. UFA mkt blows for free agent defenseman that could play top 4. At yandle/gogo you have kris russel and Campbell. I wouldn't consider gogo redundant. Seems like you need a 4D and the analytic guys love him (why phoenix traded for him)

Pens fixed bottom 6 internally and thru analytics (bonino/Cullen/fehr signings/trades).
- sditulli

Orlov and Schmidt are very young, and both "puck-movers". They had a rough playoff, but were good in the regular season. I think it's weird to count them out. And both had very good analytics since they arrived in the NHL. There's also Madison Bowey, another fast prospect who finished his first full AHL season. Our D is relatively fine.

This thread is outrageous.
- Victoro311

We won the Stanley cup a week ago for crying out loud. Can we all just take a minute to appreciate that

We won the Stanley cup a week ago for crying out loud. Can we all just take a minute to appreciate that
- drummer829

I don't think he's referring to people appreciating the Cup win.
Edit: Should've detected sarcasm sooner. Sorry Drummer.

I would shop Murray and try get a Bennett like player in return first. I like Murray I'm just not ready to jump on his starter bandwagon yet. Deal him if that's the type of return. I wouldn't just sell Fleury at a discount. Getting a decent second round pick with a top 9 ready player would satisfy trading fleury.
- nelson911

Indeed that is an enticing option to me. And yes, I truly believe that is the type of value he has. And if not 1 for 1...at least a good young top 6 F/top 4 D + pick/prospect

Winnipeg, Toronto, Dallas, Carolina, and Buffalo could be potential suitors for Murray....and probably even more teams than than that which I can't think of.

Any ideas what other players are in the Bennett-echelon to be involved in the trade?

Indeed that is an enticing option to me. And yes, I truly believe that is the type of value he has. And if not 1 for 1...at least a good young top 6 F/top 4 D + pick/prospect

Winnipeg, Toronto, Dallas, Carolina, and Buffalo could be potential suitors for Murray....and probably even more teams than than that which I can't think of.

Any ideas what other players are in the Bennett-echelon to be involved in the trade?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If Dallas got rid of one of their goalies I could see them offering Nichuskin for a player like Murray.

Indeed that is an enticing option to me. And yes, I truly believe that is the type of value he has. And if not 1 for 1...at least a good young top 6 F/top 4 D + pick/prospect

Winnipeg, Toronto, Dallas, Carolina, and Buffalo could be potential suitors for Murray....and probably even more teams than than that which I can't think of.

Any ideas what other players are in the Bennett-echelon to be involved in the trade?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Winnipeg and Buffalo are not in the market for goalies. People need to stop throwing out Peg, Buff, and Edmenton as potential goalie buyers. Buffalo and Edmonton just gave up a lot for guys last year and Peg has a promising young goalie of their own. At least no one is throwing out San Jose anymore. We learned that one first hand

If Dallas got rid of one of their goalies I could see them offering Nichuskin for a player like Murray.
- nelson911

I'd stay the (frank) away from that and that's a lot coming from me. Murray is worth a lot more than Nuke at this juncture. Taking Nuke and Niemi, or Nuke and Lehtonen at 1.6 mil retained for Fleury is fair.

I'd stay the (frank) away from that and that's a lot coming from me. Murray is worth a lot more than Nuke at this juncture. Taking Nuke and Niemi, or Nuke and Lehtonen at 1.6 mil retained for Fleury is fair.
- Victoro311

Ya I'm not high on him either. I think he's available though. I would pursue Bennet first and foremost (if available)

Ya I'm not high on him either. I think he's available though. I would pursue Bennet first and foremost (if available)
- nelson911

Oh I'm super high on him. I want him on this team so bad. That's why I said me saying that's a terrible trade for us was saying a lot

Oh I'm super high on him. I want him on this team so bad. That's why I said me saying that's a terrible trade for us was saying a lot
- Victoro311

I see....His size and skill looked great to begin with I just haven't seen him put it together. He just has no excuse playing with Spezza hemsky and Seguin Benn. They have better skills than the pens. That being said he's very young and could still turn out to be a star.

Cap escalator initiated by NHLPA. Does that mean the cap is going up by 3 mil?

Cap escalator initiated by NHLPA. Does that mean the cap is going up by 3 mil?
- Victoro311

The number I was hearing was 1.7 area.

Cap escalator initiated by NHLPA. Does that mean the cap is going up by 3 mil?
- Victoro311

Nice! Def a good thing and I believe you're right.

So with Goligoski gone....I wonder if Dallas would be interested in something like:

Niemi+Nuke+1st for Fleury+Pouliot+ 2nd

edit: keep forgetting about the Lehtonen situation. They probably have to dump him somewhere with salary retention first.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Well with Goligoski gone the Lehtonen situation is a little easier to manage if we are giving them a potential 3/4 dman in Pouliot. GoGo for Pouliot swap gains them 3m in cap space, enough to cover Lehtonen until Pouliot needs his raise then they can explore a buyout.

They have no way to shed that stupid Lehtonen contract, so if they want to upgrade their goalie, and they very much do... This trade is pretty good for them if Pouliot works out.

Cap escalator initiated by NHLPA. Does that mean the cap is going up by 3 mil?
- Victoro311

I was hearing about it going down about 2 mill because the revenue generated from the Playoffs was so poor. There was also something about the players doing away with escrow that factored into that...

Bad info, I know. But my half cent for the time being.

I was hearing about it going down about 2 mill because the revenue generated from the Playoffs was so poor. There was also something about the players doing away with escrow that factored into that...

Bad info, I know. But my half cent for the time being.
- brienstel

Right but I thought the whole going down/staying stagnant was assuming the NHLPA didn't activate the escalator for the first time ever, and now they are

Well with Goligoski gone the Lehtonen situation is a little easier to manage if we are giving them a potential 3/4 dman in Pouliot. GoGo for Pouliot swap gains them 3m in cap space, enough to cover Lehtonen until Pouliot needs his raise then they can explore a buyout.

They have no way to shed that stupid Lehtonen contract, so if they want to upgrade their goalie, and they very much do... This trade is pretty good for them if Pouliot works out.
- stackthepads

Yes but this deal is awful for us cap wise. And probably awful for us overall. We won't find a replacement 6/7d than pouliot for 800k a year. We are taking back a bad goalie contract that continues for 2 year.

To be honest nichuskin for pouliot is a deal I'm not sure I'd do. But we can call that a fair swap

So then we are trading fleury for a bad contract and only getting a return of a 1st for a 2nd.

I think Dallas would have to add a lot to the deal to make it work. They are gaining huge cap savings.

I could do
Fleury + pouliot for nichuskin + niemi + 2016 1st + 2017 2nd

I'm not even sure that is fair. I think fleury is worth at worst a non-lottery 1st while taking back no bad salaries. Taking niemi contract should be worth at a minimum a 2nd round pick.

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Also talk that it's 50-50 malkin is getting Tommy John surgery. I guess he came back early from injury and was never really healthy for playoffs. Boost and hurts the trade malkin camp. Boost he is showing injury prone. Hurts cause he was pretty dam effective for being hurt.

Yes but this deal is awful for us cap wise. And probably awful for us overall. We won't find a replacement 6/7d than pouliot for 800k a year. We are taking back a bad goalie contract that continues for 2 year.

To be honest nichuskin for pouliot is a deal I'm not sure I'd do. But we can call that a fair swap

So then we are trading fleury for a bad contract and only getting a return of a 1st for a 2nd.

I think Dallas would have to add a lot to the deal to make it work. They are gaining huge cap savings.

I could do
Fleury + pouliot for nichuskin + niemi + 2016 1st + 2017 2nd

I'm not even sure that is fair. I think fleury is worth at worst a non-lottery 1st while taking back no bad salaries. Taking niemi contract should be worth at a minimum a 2nd round pick.


- sditulli[img][/img]

So you're basically saying Fleury and DP together are worth two firsts and a second? That's pretty outrageous.

Listen, Fleury has a cap hit of ~6 mil. Its almost impossible to trade that much cap and get no cap back in return. Since Fleury is worth something, that manifests itself in not having to take the full cap hit back on. I think any Fleury trade in which we save 2-3 mil in cap is a win for us.

So you're basically saying Fleury and DP together are worth two firsts and a second? That's pretty outrageous.
- Victoro311

They must be posters on this site, grabbing them First posts once a week

So you're basically saying Fleury and DP together are worth two firsts and a second? That's pretty outrageous.

Listen, Fleury has a cap hit of ~6 mil. Its almost impossible to trade that much cap and get no cap back in return. Since Fleury is worth something, that manifests itself in not having to take the full cap hit back on. I think any Fleury trade in which we save 2-3 mil in cap is a win for us.
- Victoro311

Why is that outrageous? I mean I thought my deal was more fair...but even so...It's not a high first. Its 25th overall, Nuke and a cap dump. MAF and DP and a 2nd is a pretty fair swap, if not favoring Dallas.

Why is that outrageous? I mean I thought my deal was more fair...but even so...It's not a high first. Its 25th overall, Nuke and a cap dump. MAF and DP and a 2nd is a pretty fair swap, if not favoring Dallas.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

The first makes it lopsided IMO. I think if you're including DP the the second is fine but I'd also take a 3rd. DP's value in the trade market at this point is less than what it is to this team. He's probably worth a mid 2nd at this point.

Right but I thought the whole going down/staying stagnant was assuming the NHLPA didn't activate the escalator for the first time ever, and now they are
- Victoro311

Only thing I could find were articles from March saying if they used the escalator then it'd be 74 mil for the cap this year. Trade fleury and the team has close to 8 mil in cap space to fill 3 depth positions.

So you're basically saying Fleury and DP together are worth two firsts and a second? That's pretty outrageous.

Listen, Fleury has a cap hit of ~6 mil. Its almost impossible to trade that much cap and get no cap back in return. Since Fleury is worth something, that manifests itself in not having to take the full cap hit back on. I think any Fleury trade in which we save 2-3 mil in cap is a win for us.
- Victoro311

Not at all

Nichushkin and DP are pretty equivalent. Top 10 picks out of favor with their current team. I get it you have a boner for nichushkin and hate DP. Guess what Dallas has the opposite opinion (or atleast hates nichushkin). FWIW Nichushkin had 30 pts last year in 79 games. Pouliot had 7 pts in 22 games. That works out to 25.5 pts in 79 games. But he's a defenseman so basically identical production. And the analytics love Pouliot. Swapping those two is about as even of a change of scenery trade as you can make.

Fleury is worth a 1st...yes I will say that

Niemi a worthless overpaid goalie is worth atleast a 2nd to take his contract. That is extremely apparent.

The original trade was swapping their 1st for our 2nd. Taking on niemmi's contract isn't worth that. You think any owner wants to pay $9 million for that gain. F no.

Your better off dumping Fleury on Calgary and taking zero salary retention. This Stars deal is something you do the night before the expansion draft.