Do you just make up poop to try and sound smart? Not trading Flower this offseason, isn't losing Murray. Having Flower play, who had 2 concussions and a super poop showing in the postseason... won't lower his value.
- Guile

Wow, you just misread what I said. never said not trading fleury now will lose Murray, just said it will lower fleury's value. He was one of the better goalies in the league for the first half of the season. Teams understand that fleury needs to be moved for the pens to keep Murray. If it's a month before the expansion draft, you better believe teams will be low balling to the extreme for fleury

Wow, you just misread what I said. never said not trading fleury now will lose Murray, just said it will lower fleury's value. He was one of the better goalies in the league for the first half of the season. Teams understand that fleury needs to be moved for the pens to keep Murray. If it's a month before the expansion draft, you better believe teams will be low balling to the extreme for fleury
- drummer829

He misreads constantly or doesn't know what he's talking about. Same thing with goligoski. He's still UFA in 2 weeks. They bought themselves a week to talk to him exclusively for a 6th round pick. Basically because they know if they wait till he can talk to anyone gogo's agent won't pick up the phone for the coyotes.

Can they really have the expansion draft before the season is over? Seems like a lot of distraction and drama while teams are still competing. And playoff teams should have a chance to adjust their roster for the expansion draft.

From Toronto I'd prefer Kapanen back instead of our 1st. Actually think its better for both teams. If toronto's play works out they will end up in Tampas situation of having to pay a ton of guys coming off rfa status at the same time. Kaps development path is better for our window than a late 1st.

For Fleury I'm expecting a little bit more than a 1st round draft pick. But it all depends on how much pressure we are in to trade him. Expansion draft during the playooffs then we have to move him now. Partial NMC auto-protected increases pressure. Both of those occur and the pressure to move him is very high.

Perfect scenario Fleury can be exposed in the expansion draft. Then we can ask for a 1st, good prospect, and 2nd or 3rd round pick. This all comes down to the rules of expansion draft. I got no problem losing a back-up goalie to the expansion draft if it means we do not lose 4/5D or Hornqvist to expansion.

One benefit to trading fleury this year is the ability to sign a UFA this year. Next year the total cap for all teams will like increase by $120-150 million. So lots of teams will have some cap for UFA's. This year a lot of teams are tight on the cap. I'd say guys like Ladd, Boedker, Mcginn seem to be the second tier lw targets we could grab for maybe a 4 year 16 million contract depending on how the mkt develops. With Vegas bidding for UFA the following year and a few team ditching a pricey veteran (to expansion) those contracts could look cheap a year from now. Okposo could be interesting but probably too expensive.

Why would goligoski sign with phoenix unless they pay him silly money? He seems like a guy who should be able to pull something like 4/18 from a decent team.
- sditulli

Kapanen is a RW though. One reason he was expendable to begin with.

I know this board had a hard on for Boedker in the past but he would be a great FA pickup if we do happen to ditch some salary in other moves. Mostly because his speed would fit so well with our current system.

So what your really trying to say is you have no rebuttal to my argument against the happy Murray haze everyones in. But hey your good at grammar!
- Grinder47

Murray has been a good to great statistical goalie for the last 3 years at 3 different levels of hockey....

The likelihood of him being consistently great with an off season of solid coaching is far greater than the 2015 AHL goalie and rookie of the year and 2016 stanley cup champion winning goalie flaming out next year.

I know this is a waste of a post cause there's no changing your mind but I'll give it a shot

He misreads constantly or doesn't know what he's talking about. Same thing with goligoski. He's still UFA in 2 weeks. They bought themselves a week to talk to him exclusively for a 6th round pick. Basically because they know if they wait till he can talk to anyone gogo's agent won't pick up the phone for the coyotes.
- sditulli

Then again, phx isn't that far from Dallas. Maybe he prefers the south. But with not many quality dmen available, he should have a ton of options

Murray has been a good to great statistical goalie for the last 3 years at 3 different levels of hockey....

The likelihood of him being consistently great with an off season of solid coaching is far greater than the 2015 AHL goalie and rookie of the year and 2016 stanley cup champion winning goalie flaming out next year.

I know this is a waste of a post cause there's no changing your mind but I'll give it a shot
- Yonk1216

Factor in the amount of shots the defense gives up in our current system he's capable of stopping 19 out of21

Question about Schultz. Say if the pens only want to give him 2.5 mil a year, do they have to release him first then try to sign him, or can Schultz agree to that deal before he is released. Not entirely sure with the RFA status and how QOs work in that sense

He misreads constantly or doesn't know what he's talking about. Same thing with goligoski. He's still UFA in 2 weeks. They bought themselves a week to talk to him exclusively for a 6th round pick. Basically because they know if they wait till he can talk to anyone gogo's agent won't pick up the phone for the coyotes.
- sditulli

Yeah... I misread... you're the one ignoring Arizona, and near every other team in the NHL... with the utterly stupid prediction that the cap strapped Caps, will try and obtain Goli.

Wow, you just misread what I said. never said not trading fleury now will lose Murray, just said it will lower fleury's value. He was one of the better goalies in the league for the first half of the season. Teams understand that fleury needs to be moved for the pens to keep Murray. If it's a month before the expansion draft, you better believe teams will be low balling to the extreme for fleury
- drummer829

His value might be significantly higher the week before the expansion draft. Say Schultz or Pouliot has a big year next year. So we can protect only 8 skaters. Protect Malkin, Kessel, Hags, Crosby, Letang, Maata, Dumoulin, Schultz/Pouliot. Assume the final rules say only full NMC are auto-protect. So we are looking at exposing Fleury and Hornqvist. Expansion team would select Fleury. So theres no f'n way we are trading Fleury for less than a ransom.

Scenario B Fleury has to be protected. I guarantee next time Fleury submits a no-trade list any possible destination is blocked. Then we would be forced to trade Murray. Murray's going to get a good return no matter what.

Toronto, Buffalo and a few other teams might be entering the goalie mkt then. All the plan B goalies would likely be selected by the expansion team. So they can either pay up on Fleury or only have plan C goalies available. Our leverage a week before the expansion draft could be gigantic or it could be nothing. Too many variables to know.

Yeah... I misread... you're the one ignoring Arizona, and near every other team in the NHL... with the utterly stupid prediction that the cap strapped Caps, will try and obtain Goli.
- Guile

Caps actually do have some space. But I think the statement that he is exactly what the Caps need is a little strange.

I would shop Murray and try get a Bennett like player in return first. I like Murray I'm just not ready to jump on his starter bandwagon yet. Deal him if that's the type of return. I wouldn't just sell Fleury at a discount. Getting a decent second round pick with a top 9 ready player would satisfy trading fleury.

Yeah... I misread... you're the one ignoring Arizona, and near every other team in the NHL... with the utterly stupid prediction that the cap strapped Caps, will try and obtain Goli.
- Guile

I did research before I suggest that. Looks like they have 12.7 in cap space if the cap is flat. Only Orlov and Johansson they need to sign. Good chance they end up with a little over $14 in cap space. Should be enough to sign those 3 (roughly 12) and round out their roster.

http://www.generalfanager...teams/washington-capitals

Caps actually do have some space. But I think the statement that he is exactly what the Caps need is a little strange.
- Blackstrom2

You guys could sign him... and then nothing else for the other roster holes that you need filled. He obviously is looking for a big payday.

His value might be significantly higher the week before the expansion draft. Say Schultz or Pouliot has a big year next year. So we can protect only 8 skaters. Protect Malkin, Kessel, Hags, Crosby, Letang, Maata, Dumoulin, Schultz/Pouliot. Assume the final rules say only full NMC are auto-protect. So we are looking at exposing Fleury and Hornqvist. Expansion team would select Fleury. So theres no f'n way we are trading Fleury for less than a ransom.

Scenario B Fleury has to be protected. I guarantee next time Fleury submits a no-trade list any possible destination is blocked. Then we would be forced to trade Murray. Murray's going to get a good return no matter what.

Toronto, Buffalo and a few other teams might be entering the goalie mkt then. All the plan B goalies would likely be selected by the expansion team. So they can either pay up on Fleury or only have plan C goalies available. Our leverage a week before the expansion draft could be gigantic or it could be nothing. Too many variables to know.
- sditulli

Can you really see fleury being a Richard though and intentionally trying to stay with the team and making them trade Murray? I've heard he's a great guy and I just can't see him doing that. I truly think he'll understand and JR will find him a new home where he can be the #1 guy.

I did research before I suggest that. Looks like they have 12.7 in cap space if the cap is flat. Only Orlov and Johansson they need to sign. Good chance they end up with a little over $14 in cap space. Should be enough to sign those 3 (roughly 12) and round out their roster.

http://www.generalfanager...teams/washington-capitals
- sditulli

12 mil, for 7 spots... and you want 5 mil on another Dman.

so now, you got 7 mil, for the last 6 spots.

Enjoy your stupidity.

You guys could sign him... and then nothing else for the other roster holes that you need filled. He obviously is looking for a big payday.
- Guile

Caps should have about 6-7 mil of space after they re-sign all the RFAs. That was the whole point of the Laich trade. Caps have some space to maneuver this year.

I think Goligoski is a bit redundant on our team and is probably looking for north of 5.5. Would gladly take him if we could ship out Orpik...

Caps should have about 6-7 mil of space after they re-sign all the RFAs. That was the whole point of the Laich trade. Caps have some space to maneuver this year.

I think Goligoski is a bit redundant on our team and is probably looking for north of 5.5. Would gladly take him if we could ship out Orpik...
- Blackstrom2

If you guys can deal Orpik, you should absolutely jump on him... but good luck getting rid of that albatross contract

12 mil, for 7 spots... and you want 5 mil on another Dman.

so now, you got 7 mil, for the last 6 spots.

Enjoy your stupidity.
- Guile

7 spots? It's 3-4 spots, depending on how you look at someone stepping up.

7 spots? It's 3-4 spots, depending on how you look at someone stepping up.
- Blackstrom2

Putting 800K into a spot, still takes cap. But if you want to do it that way... your 6-7 mil, becomes about 1.5 mil, for 2-3 spots then. Hes simply not doable.

Putting 800K into a spot, still takes cap. But if you want to do it that way... your 6-7 mil, becomes about 1.5 mil, for 2-3 spots then. Hes simply not doable.
- Guile

It's 9 forwards signed and 6 d. Orlov, Majo, Wilson, Latta. There's the 3 forwards. It still remains at 6-7 mil, (depending on Majo) with essentially a full roster.

Caps actually do have some space. But I think the statement that he is exactly what the Caps need is a little strange.
- Blackstrom2

I thought the perception was the Caps bottom guys were too slow to play with us. Gogo would push everyone down a spot. Also a good puck mover. Realistically he's the only UFA dman on the market. Yandle I assume is out of your price range.

If the escalator is accepted they have like 14.5 to spend. The 12 million for those 3 players may be a little high. That would then be 4 guys for 2.5 which is doable. Orlov, Johanson, gogo might be able to get done for 11 and then its fine.

I thought the perception was the Caps bottom guys were too slow to play with us. Gogo would push everyone down a spot. Also a good puck mover. Realistically he's the only UFA dman on the market. Yandle I assume is out of your price range.

If the escalator is accepted they have like 14.5 to spend. The 12 million for those 3 players may be a little high. That would then be 4 guys for 2.5 which is doable. Orlov, Johanson, gogo might be able to get done for 11 and then its fine.
- sditulli

Everyone was too slow to play with the Pens. I just think he's a bit redundant, in that he's like Niskanen/Alzner, and I think if we want to spend that much on bringing in another D than it's someone better.

The bottom 6 is a bigger concern to me.

I would shop Murray and try get a Bennett like player in return first. I like Murray I'm just not ready to jump on his starter bandwagon yet. Deal him if that's the type of return. I wouldn't just sell Fleury at a discount. Getting a decent second round pick with a top 9 ready player would satisfy trading fleury.
- nelson911

No, you realize we are 1.4 million over the projected cap? Fleury needs to go. Sorry, we have a young kid that has shown is is more than capable.

Calgary isn't trading Bennett to Pittsburgh for Murray. Maybe we can interest them in our Bennett for peanuts.

Fleury is worth at best a second and a decent prospect, nothing more really. If they offer that, you do it quickly. We need to clear some cap space and Fleury provides that.

Everyone was too slow to play with the Pens. I just think he's a bit redundant, in that he's like Niskanen/Alzner, and I think if we want to spend that much on bringing in another D than it's someone better.

The bottom 6 is a bigger concern to me.
- Blackstrom2

Bottom 6 probably needs help to. You might be right that Gogo is too expensive. I thought you only really had 3 top 4 D. Orpik doesn't count. UFA mkt blows for free agent defenseman that could play top 4. At yandle/gogo you have kris russel and Campbell. I wouldn't consider gogo redundant. Seems like you need a 4D and the analytic guys love him (why phoenix traded for him)

Pens fixed bottom 6 internally and thru analytics (bonino/Cullen/fehr signings/trades).

No, you realize we are 1.4 million over the projected cap? Fleury needs to go. Sorry, we have a young kid that has shown is is more than capable.

Calgary isn't trading Bennett to Pittsburgh for Murray. Maybe we can interest them in our Bennett for peanuts.

Fleury is worth at best a second and a decent prospect, nothing more really. If they offer that, you do it quickly. We need to clear some cap space and Fleury provides that.
- Oneonta Penguin

Ohhh he's been a starter for 60+ games then done a full playoff? He's shown that he can ride a hot team and play well after losses in a short span. The guy let in some soft goals. Yea so has fleury. Having Murray and Zatkoff is a pretty iffy combo of goalies next gear... that is of course if Zatkoff returns.