I'd rather a ready prospect who could compete for a roster spot next season, than the 1st back. pretty much saving us a year of development in a sense, for virtually the same cost... late first = B Prospect more often than a top tier.
- Guile

Im always amazed by other teams unwillingness to part with picks or prospects. We're really seeing people worried about trading a B prospect for an established top 10 goalie?

If my team had the worst goaltending in the league, I would be smart enough to know we're not going anywhere without one.

Im always amazed by other teams unwillingness to part with picks or prospects. We're really seeing people worried about trading a B prospect for an established top 10 goalie?

If my team had the worst goaltending in the league, I would be smart enough to know we're not going anywhere without one.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Not every team can be like us, dishing out picks and prospects like candy canes.


But I am cautious if and when trading stuff for a 1st rounder, when its not a top 10. The chance of a bust would completely ruin the trade, so I'd rather a strong prospect that a team also has in good regards, basically a 1st of yesteryear.

If Fleury wants to be a starter again all he has to do is make it impossible to trade him, Play backup until the shine wears off of Murray and the grind of an 82 game season makes his mediocrity unbearable and there you go. If I was him though I would be pissed at the organization that turned there back on him, the other veterans probably feel the same. Fleury could have easily sat back an enjoyed the ride like Murray did. Murray is going to tear this team apart. Mark my words.

If Fleury wants to be a starter again all he has to do is make it impossible to trade him, Play backup until the shine wears off of Murray and the grind of an 82 game season makes his mediocrity unbearable and there you go. If I was him though I would be pissed at the organization that turned there back on him, the other veterans probably feel the same. Fleury could have easily sat back an enjoyed the ride like Murray did. Murray is going to tear this team apart. Mark my words.
- Grinder47

Well aren't you the new most miserable poster for the Pens now. And this is including Rangerdanger in the equation.

So with Goligoski gone....I wonder if Dallas would be interested in something like:

Niemi+Nuke+1st for Fleury+Pouliot+ 2nd

edit: keep forgetting about the Lehtonen situation. They probably have to dump him somewhere with salary retention first.

If Fleury wants to be a starter again all he has to do is make it impossible to trade him, Play backup until the shine wears off of Murray and the grind of an 82 game season makes his mediocrity unbearable and there you go. If I was him though I would be pissed at the organization that turned there back on him, the other veterans probably feel the same. Fleury could have easily sat back an enjoyed the ride like Murray did. Murray is going to tear this team apart. Mark my words.
- Grinder47

There! I marked your words. Oh, I thought you meant for us to mark all of your grammar errors.

Well aren't you the new most miserable poster for the Pens now. And this is including Rangerdanger in the equation.
- Guile

I can't sit back and smile like an 18 yr old girl on E listening to a drake song like all you. I want to keep the better goaltender. We might actually require goaltending next post season.

There! I marked your words. Oh, I thought you meant for us to mark all of your grammar errors.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

So what your really trying to say is you have no rebuttal to my argument against the happy Murray haze everyones in. But hey your good at grammar!

I can't sit back and smile like an 18 yr old girl on E listening to a drake song like all you. I want to keep the better goaltender. We might actually require goaltending next post season.
- Grinder47

If we are going to trade Flower, I want it for a position we need, LW.

If we don't trade him... My original and still favored proposal, is to have the near the 50-50 split between the two, see if Murray can keep it up, then trade Flower if Murray stays as good near the trade deadline.

No matter what your pissy hate is... if Murray stays good, the cap savings are a massive benefit to the team. And don't act like his habit of going down in the butterfly really fast can't be fixed with an offseason of an NHL goalie coach, vs the AHL goalie coach hes had.

So what your really trying to say is you have no rebuttal to my argument against the happy Murray haze everyones in. But hey your good at grammar!
- Grinder47

I can't sit back and smile like an 18 yr old girl on E listening to a drake song like all you. I want to keep the better goaltender. We might actually require goaltending next post season.
- Grinder47

murray is the better goalie for our system and is young and inexperienced. atm I think fleury is better than murray (which is why I want fleury and murray to play tandem) though it is very small diffrence. at the end of the reg season next season murray will be better than fleury.

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thats wut i thot.

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That trade is very lopsided and Fleury is worth alot more... Maybe Frolik a good prospect and their 2nd.

If Fleury wants to be a starter again all he has to do is make it impossible to trade him, Play backup until the shine wears off of Murray and the grind of an 82 game season makes his mediocrity unbearable and there you go. If I was him though I would be pissed at the organization that turned there back on him, the other veterans probably feel the same. Fleury could have easily sat back an enjoyed the ride like Murray did. Murray is going to tear this team apart. Mark my words.
- Grinder47

Your right you guys will never win a cup without fleury

Your right you guys will never win a cup without fleury
- Wissler

Ha your. I did it myself lol

If Fleury wants to be a starter again all he has to do is make it impossible to trade him, Play backup until the shine wears off of Murray and the grind of an 82 game season makes his mediocrity unbearable and there you go. If I was him though I would be pissed at the organization that turned there back on him, the other veterans probably feel the same. Fleury could have easily sat back an enjoyed the ride like Murray did. Murray is going to tear this team apart. Mark my words.
- Grinder47

Wow... Murray is very good and players are professionals. It's a business to them. They aren't going to pout because their buddy moved on.

Can they really have the expansion draft before the season is over? Seems like a lot of distraction and drama while teams are still competing. And playoff teams should have a chance to adjust their roster for the expansion draft.

From Toronto I'd prefer Kapanen back instead of our 1st. Actually think its better for both teams. If toronto's play works out they will end up in Tampas situation of having to pay a ton of guys coming off rfa status at the same time. Kaps development path is better for our window than a late 1st.

For Fleury I'm expecting a little bit more than a 1st round draft pick. But it all depends on how much pressure we are in to trade him. Expansion draft during the playooffs then we have to move him now. Partial NMC auto-protected increases pressure. Both of those occur and the pressure to move him is very high.

Perfect scenario Fleury can be exposed in the expansion draft. Then we can ask for a 1st, good prospect, and 2nd or 3rd round pick. This all comes down to the rules of expansion draft. I got no problem losing a back-up goalie to the expansion draft if it means we do not lose 4/5D or Hornqvist to expansion.

One benefit to trading fleury this year is the ability to sign a UFA this year. Next year the total cap for all teams will like increase by $120-150 million. So lots of teams will have some cap for UFA's. This year a lot of teams are tight on the cap. I'd say guys like Ladd, Boedker, Mcginn seem to be the second tier lw targets we could grab for maybe a 4 year 16 million contract depending on how the mkt develops. With Vegas bidding for UFA the following year and a few team ditching a pricey veteran (to expansion) those contracts could look cheap a year from now. Okposo could be interesting but probably too expensive.

Why would goligoski sign with phoenix unless they pay him silly money? He seems like a guy who should be able to pull something like 4/18 from a decent team.

If we are going to trade Flower, I want it for a position we need, LW.

If we don't trade him... My original and still favored proposal, is to have the near the 50-50 split between the two, see if Murray can keep it up, then trade Flower if Murray stays as good near the trade deadline.

No matter what your pissy hate is... if Murray stays good, the cap savings are a massive benefit to the team. And don't act like his habit of going down in the butterfly really fast can't be fixed with an offseason of an NHL goalie coach, vs the AHL goalie coach hes had.
- Guile

Like I said before its entirely Fleury's choice if he wants to be the Pens goalie. Getting to block 12 teams for a goalie is essentially a NTC. And the expansion rules appear to be he's autoprotected. So if Fleury wants to play its Pittsburgh he just has block anything Rutherford tries to do.

I think people aren't understanding that if the pens don't trade fleury, they lose Murray. Also, the longer fleury is on the team, the lower his value becomes. trade him now for something of use or trade him later for essentially nothing

I think people aren't understanding that if the pens don't trade fleury, they lose Murray. Also, the longer fleury is on the team, the lower his value becomes. trade him now for something of use or trade him later for essentially nothing
- drummer829

Do you just make up poop to try and sound smart? Not trading Flower this offseason, isn't losing Murray. Having Flower play, who had 2 concussions and a super poop showing in the postseason... won't lower his value.

FWIW Goligoski ended up on the Caps would make a lot of sense to me. He's what they need. Cost should be reasonable. I think they have the cap space.

So wait, in your 1st paragraph you suggest that if they don't trade Fleury now they're already accepting that Murray is lost but in the 2nd paragraph you say they may force themselves into a scenario of having to take a 4th for Fleury, are you suggesting that if they don't trade Fleury now then they will lose both? If not how would they lose Murray if they had to trade Fleury for a 4th next year? Also you can find a lot out about Murray by him being the backup or 1b getting 40%-50% of the starts next year so this entire post really confuses me.
- jaydogg1974

No I'm saying that while at this point we're talking about legitimate hockey trades which could return a valuable player or draft pick..... if we wait till the deadline, knowing we HAVE to move him, ... then you might have to just accept salary dump price or maybe include a younger player or prospect to get back to a 2nd round pick

FWIW Goligoski ended up on the Caps would make a lot of sense to me. He's what they need. Cost should be reasonable. I think they have the cap space.
- sditulli

He is with the Coyotes... they got the rights to him about 6 hours ago, for a 5th rounder.

FWIW Goligoski ended up on the Caps would make a lot of sense to me. He's what they need. Cost should be reasonable. I think they have the cap space.
- sditulli

What?