He is only 29, has a fair contract, and would fit well on the top line.
- FLflames34

But worth a 6th overall?? Along with a G who's going to be 32. I would rather use the pick on Tkachuk, Dubois or Nylander or even one of the top rated D than grab 2 guys on the decline, or at least the start of it. How does Hornqvist help us in 3 years? How does Fleury?

Probably the most rational post I've seen on here in a very long time. They just won the Cup and people can't wait to break up the band.
- jaydogg1974

the thing is we HAVE to break up the band cuz of cap. welcome to the cap era

Fair enough. And I'm glad we're discussing this with Calgary fans...you guys aren't douches like the Rags fans

If we reached a stalemate here, I'd rather keep Fleury next year then. He provides a lot of value even to us as insurance. Enough value that I'd rather lose him in the expansion draft next year than get a middling return now.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

i was under the impression that wasn't an option on the table. if he is on the roster, he is automatically presumed to eat up a protection slot for G, therefore meaning murray must be exposed.

But worth a 6th overall?? Along with a G who's going to be 32. I would rather use the pick on Tkachuk, Dubois or Nylander or even one of the top rated D than grab 2 guys on the decline, or at least the start of it. How does Hornqvist help us in 3 years? How does Fleury?
- TandA4Flames

fleury alone is not worth 6th overall. but fleury + 2nd rounder + mid range prospect (people like to throw in pouliot but I think his value still is kinda high) is.

Fair enough. And I'm glad we're discussing this with Calgary fans...you guys aren't douches like the Rags fans

If we reached a stalemate here, I'd rather keep Fleury next year then. He provides a lot of value even to us as insurance. Enough value that I'd rather lose him in the expansion draft next year than get a middling return now.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

So we keep fleury for the year and teams like Calgary, Dallas, buffalo, etc... make other trades to solve their goalie issues, then what do the pens do? The problem isn't losing fleury for nothing, it's losing Murray. The longer we hold onto fleury, the lower his value becomes and the more risk there is for losing Murray. There are a ton of solid backups in free agency this year, so im not too worried about goalie depth if fleury is traded.

the thing is we HAVE to break up the band cuz of cap. welcome to the cap era
- martox

Not really. With dupuis on LTIR, they will have a very similar team. Trading fleury is simply to keep murray

Flames have officially enquired about MAF. Good sign.

the thing is we HAVE to break up the band cuz of cap. welcome to the cap era
- martox

No, it has to be broken up because of expansion. Has 0 to do with the cap.

Fair enough. And I'm glad we're discussing this with Calgary fans...you guys aren't douches like the Rags fans

If we reached a stalemate here, I'd rather keep Fleury next year then. He provides a lot of value even to us as insurance. Enough value that I'd rather lose him in the expansion draft next year than get a middling return now.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Haha. I can't say I've talked with a lot of Rangers fans.

I think in the end, if CGY is serious about Fleury, one of our 2nds and a decent prospect will be offered, possibly both late 2nds.

I know it's not ideal for you guys but Klimchuck and Culkin are guys that have decent shots at being NHLrs but will not be top 6 fwd or top 3 D most likely. If not that, maybe a speedy 3rd-4th liner like Jooris and a 2nd will work. Would that work for you in the long run?

Flames have officially enquired about MAF. Good sign.
- Victoro311

Where'd you read that?

If Fleury wants to force the Pens to keep him, he could certainly try. He'd have to name 18 teams he could be traded to & could try to pick 18 teams who are near the Cap/have established goalies. Kessel did it effectively, but I think he had a veto over the more than 12 teams Fleury has.

Now Fleury could also decide he wants to go be a starter again so he can get a solid contract 2 years from now as a starter & waive his NTC to go to a team he has on his list. This would help the Pens trade him.

My only point is, waiting to mid-season when more teams are closer to the Cap or aren't looking for a veteran goalie as they are out of the Cup race carries the risk of no trade happening for a variety of reasons, including Fleury deciding he wants to stay in Pitt., & the Pens losing Murray. Need to move Fleury now or be prepared to lose Murray later.
- s0rcerer1984

My point is Fleury can actually force us to trade Murray if he wants to. Put every team that would trade him on his block list. NMC protects fleury in expansion draft. We are forced to trade Murray. Kind of a Richard move, but fleury also didn't do anything to lose his starting job.

A question for all those freaking out about the expansion draft and how it's going to force the Pens hands, have any of you actually looked around the league and considered who else may be exposed in the draft? Assuming others don't make trades and rosters sit as they do today there are other teams that will have to make similar decisions which will end up leaving quite a few very good goalies exposed, TB is going to have to decide between Bishop & Vasilevskiy, Anahiem is going to have to decide between Gibson & Andersson and others that aren't coming to mind off hand. Depending on progressions and how different players perform next year Murray may be safe even if left exposed. Panicking over something that may or may not happen in the future and making a hasty/knee jerk reaction because of that panic is a sure-fire recipe for disaster.

the thing is we HAVE to break up the band cuz of cap. welcome to the cap era
- martox

No they don't. They'll be able to return the team pretty much the entire roster with very little creativity.

Probably the most rational post I've seen on here in a very long time. They just won the Cup and people can't wait to break up the band.
- jaydogg1974

current return? Why not wait until the trade deadline next year? What's the rush, especially given the relatively poor return right now? Someone next March is going to be close to a cup run and is probably going to want a goalie. Why not let the market develop? Why not have some luxury here in case there is an injury or performance regression?

The return would be no worse than it is now. The cap space is not needed until 17-18. I say stand pat.

As to making MAF happy, I'm all for it, but this is a business. MAF signed a lucrative contract. The Pens own him until that contract expires. They could have him be a healthy scratch for the next 3 years if they wanted to.

My point is Fleury can actually force us to trade Murray if he wants to. Put every team that would trade him on his block list. NMC protects fleury in expansion draft. We are forced to trade Murray. Kind of a Richard move, but fleury also didn't do anything to lose his starting job.
- sditulli

If the Penguins wait, possibly. But, even in the worst case scenario, I would think the Penguins would be able to move him this offseason.

Example: Fleury to Dallas for Niemi.

TX has low taxes, a very good team, & he would slide in as the starter. Retrun for the Pens would suck, but they wouldn't have to protect Niemi they way they would Fleury.

current return? Why not wait until the trade deadline next year? What's the rush, especially given the relatively poor return right now? Someone next March is going to be close to a cup run and is probably going to want a goalie. Why not let the market develop? Why not have some luxury here in case there is an injury or performance regression?

The return would be no worse than it is now. The cap space is not needed until 17-18. I say stand pat.

As to making MAF happy, I'm all for it, but this is a business. MAF signed a lucrative contract. The Pens own him until that contract expires. They could have him be a healthy scratch for the next 3 years if they wanted to.
- PensFan1962

Something happened when I tried to post, but the essence is: hold MAF until the March deadline unless someone blows you away with a deal. There really is not a great market now and it can only get better.

fleury alone is not worth 6th overall. but fleury + 2nd rounder + mid range prospect (people like to throw in pouliot but I think his value still is kinda high) is.
- martox

I would consider moving 6th OA only if Sprong was part of the deal. We are loaded with D prospects and have no need for Pouliot. We need RW prospects and players that are top 6 capable. Fleury, Sprong and #54 and I would listen. Still, for the Flames, IMO, that #6 is huge and moving 1st round picks in 2 consecutive years for a rebuilding team is not wise.

No they don't. They'll be able to return the team pretty much the entire roster with very little creativity.
- jaydogg1974

I know. just trying to stir conflict

If the Penguins wait, possibly. But, even in the worst case scenario, I would think the Penguins would be able to move him this offseason.

Example: Fleury to Dallas for Niemi.

TX has low taxes, a very good team, & he would slide in as the starter. Retrun for the Pens would suck, but they wouldn't have to protect Niemi they way they would Fleury.
- s0rcerer1984

Not sure MAF can force anything. We get to next March and they salary dump him for peanuts if his agent tries that stunt.

Where'd you read that?
- brienstel

Some guy named Mike Halford from NBC Sports is reporting Calgary contacted Pens re: Fleury. Here's the link: https://t.co/pflvmAUbXJ

the thing is we HAVE to break up the band cuz of cap. welcome to the cap era
- martox

Right now they sit at 73.9M committed for next year to 14 forwards, 6 defenseman and 2 goalie, figure in the 3.75M allowance they will get when Dupuis goes on LTIR they'll have 13F-6D-2G and around 1M left for the 7th D and potential callups. Nothing in that shows any NEED to have to break up the band.

Something happened when I tried to post, but the essence is: hold MAF until the March deadline unless someone blows you away with a deal. There really is not a great market now and it can only get better.
- PensFan1962

And what do you do if at the March trade deadline there is no overlap between the teams with the (i) Cap space to afford Fleury, (ii) desire to acquire him, and (iii) teams to which Fleury would accept a trade to?

If the Penguins have Fleury on the roster after the 2017 March trade deadline Matt Murray will be exposed as part of the expansion draft as Fleury will be required to be protected due to his contract having a NMC clause. Is this something you want to risk?

Where'd you read that?
- brienstel

Per the Calgary Sun

Some guy named Mike Halford from NBC Sports is reporting Calgary contacted Pens re: Fleury. Here's the link: https://t.co/pflvmAUbXJ
- tpcg402

Two separate sources then.

Right now they sit at 73.9M committed for next year to 14 forwards, 6 defenseman and 2 goalie, figure in the 3.75M allowance they will get when Dupuis goes on LTIR they'll have 13F-6D-2G and around 1M left for the 7th D and potential callups. Nothing in that shows any NEED to have to break up the band.
- jaydogg1974

did you read my other post?