If MAF wants to go somewhere to start couldn't he just drop his NMC all together?

This is Murray's team now.
- acdc1206

Fleury has a partial NTC clause where he can list 18 teams he can be traded to. Ie, block trade to 12 teams.

Fleury also has a NMC, which means it would be mandatory he is protected in the expansion draft. Maybe he could waive it, but maybe not as the NHLPA would have an interest in protecting its players from being pressured to waive by making it impossible to waive for the purpose of an expansion draft.

What would the Flames realistically give up for him? I agree with the blog that Calgary is the most likely destination as they seem like they are just a solid goalie away from being a playoff team.

Pens would probably prefer, in this order, (i) young, cost controlled players, (ii) draft picks, (iii) veteran players w/ contract term.
- s0rcerer1984

Outside of a core group of "untouchables (Gaudreau, Monahan, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Bennett) all bets are off. There are a few guys in our system that have some upside plus we have a few early picks (outside #6). Honestly, despite being labeled as a pariah by the league, I think Wideman would be a good fit packaged with a pick and/ or a prospect. He was a top 10 scorer (Def) two years ago...

No. A few other teams have 2 quality starters. If we expose Fleury, the Vegas team could easily prefer a younger goalie that may be available. Plus, the expansion team can only take 1 player from each team, right? So, our best exposed asset might not be Fleury.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

You are making two HUGE assumptions.

1) Fleury waives to be claimed. He can refuse and then Murray is DEFINITELY TAKEN.

2) all other teams also do not trade a goalie.

It isn't going to happen. Either the Pens trade Fleury NOW, or wait and risk having no choice but to trade Murray at the 11th hour for less than his value (since teams will likely already have their goaltending or under offer knowing the position of weakness Pittsburgh is in).

Fleury has a partial NTC clause where he can list 18 teams he can be traded to. Ie, block trade to 12 teams.

Fleury also has a NMC, which means it would be mandatory he is protected in the expansion draft. Maybe he could waive it, but maybe not as the NHLPA would have an interest in protecting its players from being pressured to waive by making it impossible to waive for the purpose of an expansion draft.
- s0rcerer1984

I gotcha. Thanks, I didn't think about the consequences of NHLPA if he did that and if there were be rules against it.

Should be an interesting summer in regards to what happens with MAF.

This is where I beg for Hornqvist to be included in the deal for MAF, trade Widemans expiring, the 6 + one of the 2nds.

Not saying JR would do this, just would make Calgary immediately better and a contender. One can dream at least.
- FLflames34

Are you insane? The 6th OA AND a 2nd? Sorry dude, Hornqvist is ok but not what we need....certainly not for giving up the 6th OA.

Slap yourself for that proposal.

Outside of a core group of "untouchables (Gaudreau, Monahan, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Bennett) all bets are off. There are a few guys in our system that have some upside plus we have a few early picks (outside #6). Honestly, despite being labeled as a pariah by the league, I think Wideman would be a good fit packaged with a pick and/ or a prospect. He was a top 10 scorer (Def) two years ago...
- geta02it

I still like the fake rumor sportsnet or whoever put out near the trade deadline...

Of Murray for Bennett and a 2nd rounder pick

Been lurking for a bit here. Finally paid to comment since I saw that ridiculous EK post about Malkin wanting to be traded. Not sure why he'd want to be traded or why the Pens would want to trade him, but ummm...OK?

- PensFan1962

lets stick to what is important here...dd you pay for monthly comments or yearly comments?

Fleury has a partial NTC clause where he can list 18 teams he can be traded to. Ie, block trade to 12 teams.

Fleury also has a NMC, which means it would be mandatory he is protected in the expansion draft. Maybe he could waive it, but maybe not as the NHLPA would have an interest in protecting its players from being pressured to waive by making it impossible to waive for the purpose of an expansion draft.
- s0rcerer1984

From every indication on what the rules are (or will be) MAF would not be protected in the expansion draft. So that would leave both Murray and MAF exposed. Now thats all speculation until the "official" rules are released by the NHL but it sounds like thats the general consensus among the "experts". Its why there's this much talk abut him being moved.

I still like the fake rumor sportsnet or whoever put out near the trade deadline...

Of Murray for Bennett and a 2nd rounder pick
- Guile

We all love Bennett and his potential but if that were somehow real, I'd bet Treliving would consider it... We all know its horsepoop but...

Oh that's right, yeah then he has to be moved sooner than later. Sucks cause it would be good for the pens to have some insurance with Murray next season.
- 13sundin13

You can get insurance elsewhere though. I'm sure Vancouver will trade Miller, 50% retained, for almost anything at this point. He has one year left and is an excellent veteran backup.

No chance in hell Stemp goes for dirt cheap AGAIN lol
- Guile

Do you read full comments...you may notice "stempiak type in my comment....maybe just trolling

Trade Fleury and sign Ilya Bryzgalov as back up. He just said he wants back in the NHL.

Do you read full comments...you may notice "stempiak type in my comment....maybe just trolling
- sditulli

He's gotten shafted 2 or 3 contracts in a row, and heavily produced... I wouldn't consider that comment trolling, since thats been his career. But at some point, a team gotta pay up for him.

Been lurking for a bit here. Finally paid to comment since I saw that ridiculous EK post about Malkin wanting to be traded. Not sure why he'd want to be traded or why the Pens would want to trade him, but ummm...OK?

Back to Fleury. The return is not great, few places to go. The relief on his cap hit would be nice, but Murray has only played 13 games in the NHL regular season. It's a gamble.

There are a lot of rumors about the expansion draft rules, and nobody will know the precise rules (and even the timing) until June 22. One thing that goes unmentioned (in the rules rumors, at least) is that a player can waive his no movement clause to be exposed for the draft.

This is how I think this goes down. Unless JR gets an offer for a great return for MAF, he stays for this season up until the trade deadline, and the Pens acquire a right handed low cost defenseman for depth as their only real trade move this summer. Lovejoy and Schultz walk.

Both Murray and Fleury play together as we near the 2017 trade deadline, and we see what we have. I suspect that Murray, given that he tore up the AHL for the past 2 years, will be a good as we think he is. Murray may even go back to the AHL (!) to stay sharp at points during the season.

Near the trade deadline, JR goes to the loser of the competition (likely Fleury) and says (in the case of Fleury) "waive your non movement clause" or we trade you now. Someone at the deadline will want goaltending for a run, or someone will really want a top notch goalie for the future, and the return will be totally different than now.

Pens need the cap space for 17-18 and beyond, not really now. That is why Fleury stays for 16-17.
- PensFan1962

Welcome.

What do you mean paid to comment?
- pensfan024

I paid the fee to join. I couldn't reply unless I paid some sort of fee to Hockeybuzz for membership?

Fleury has a partial NTC clause where he can list 18 teams he can be traded to. Ie, block trade to 12 teams.

Fleury also has a NMC, which means it would be mandatory he is protected in the expansion draft. Maybe he could waive it, but maybe not as the NHLPA would have an interest in protecting its players from being pressured to waive by making it impossible to waive for the purpose of an expansion draft.
- s0rcerer1984

so isn't that essentially a full trade clause.

fleury could just put Calgary, Toronto, Carolina, Buffalo, Dallas as teams he's blocked from. Pick every potentially team in the mkt for a veteran goalie and block them

Essentially what kessel did. He only put teams close to the cap on his trade list.

Outside of a core group of "untouchables (Gaudreau, Monahan, Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Bennett) all bets are off. There are a few guys in our system that have some upside plus we have a few early picks (outside #6). Honestly, despite being labeled as a pariah by the league, I think Wideman would be a good fit packaged with a pick and/ or a prospect. He was a top 10 scorer (Def) two years ago...
- geta02it

The issue with Wideman to the Pens would be two-fold.

First, he would be a 5th Dman at best behind Letang, Dumoulin, Maatta, & Daley. As a result he also likely wouldn't get much PP time w/ Letang being on the 1st until w/ 4 F's & Daley/Maatta on the second, which would neuter his point totals as well. Do the Pens want to pay a guy $5.25M for 3rd pairing minutes? I don't see it.

Second, if you play D for the Pens you have to be able to skate like crazy - Letang, Daley, Maatta, Dumoulin, & Pouliot can all skate. Only Cole is really average or below average in the skating department. I don't think Wideman has the wheels left to fit into their system.

Fleury could probably be moved for a D prospect that is two years away or picks. Pens would prefer young, cost controlled role players, but Fleury probably isn't worth that in trade right now.

From empty netters:

"My elbow got infected in the playoffs there," Bonino said. "After Game 3 of the [Stanley Cup Final], I was on antibiotics. If I had a fever over I think it was 101, they were going to shut me down for the year. I was a on a ton of antibiotics. I was getting [intravenous fluids] every day in the hospital. It was good. The [doctors] did a really good job of keeping my elbow healthy. I don't think I practice the whole last series. Guys were ripping me for it because I just played games. I didn't have to practice anymore. I just rested up and we got it done. … I was quarantined in a hotel. I wasn't even living at home. They didn't want me around the baby. It was a weird time. But it was worth it to win."

I still like the fake rumor sportsnet or whoever put out near the trade deadline...

Of Murray for Bennett and a 2nd rounder pick
- Guile

Yikes. I get it that the Pens likely don't move Murray without getting a premium piece like a Bennett or the 6th overall pick but why would Calgary risk losing big on that move?

Still though I wonder if they make an offer of like the 6th overall, 97th pick for Murray, 55th & 61st picks.

In the last expansion draft for Nashville (in 1999? 2000?) players on entry level contracts were protected. Why wouldn't the owners and players want that now? If so, Murray is automatically protected, and this whole issue temporarily goes away, correct?

Are you insane? The 6th OA AND a 2nd? Sorry dude, Hornqvist is ok but not what we need....certainly not for giving up the 6th OA.

Slap yourself for that proposal.
- TandA4Flames

Not sure Pens fans would do this deal either. I would...but Hornqvist is too loved and too valued by most of us. Now you can really

I still like the fake rumor sportsnet or whoever put out near the trade deadline...

Of Murray for Bennett and a 2nd rounder pick
- Guile

it's funny. I remember a conversation with Vic311 earlier in the season about how he wouldn't even trade Murray for Bennett and I said there's no way the Flames would make that deal. Funny what a very successful playoff run can do to one's value. I think the Flames would be all over the chance to acquire Murray now.

I paid the fee to join. I couldn't reply unless I paid some sort of fee to Hockeybuzz for membership?
- PensFan1962

99% of us don't paid a thing. Oops.

I paid the fee to join. I couldn't reply unless I paid some sort of fee to Hockeybuzz for membership?
- PensFan1962

If that's true than this site is getting stupid. I suspect, though, that you were doing something wrong. I've never heard of anyone else having to pay just to comment.

In the last expansion draft for Nashville (in 1999? 2000?) players on entry level contracts were protected. Why wouldn't the owners and players want that now? If so, Murray is automatically protected, and this whole issue temporarily goes away, correct?
- PensFan1962

Because expansion teams sucked hard. One of them ended up with the league record for lowest points right after expansion.