Lazerus did say he thinks the Hawks will regret this trade, but that was on his twitter, and generally he falls right in line like the rest them
- maria_wyeth

In this case they had to take that chance...

Yeah, and who knows if it's even accurate. When Saad first said it I assumed he was trying to not look greedy after he said he'd consider a hometown discount and then didn't. "Oh well I wasn't involved and was really surprised to find out about this" sounds better than "I didn't mean it when I said I would take a discount, and my dad and agent assured me the Hawks would give me whatever I was asking for."

Both of those are silly when a totally legitimate reason is "I am young and in a sport where I am potentially one injury away from ending my career so I need to ensure my financial security now"

He got his money but is playing for CBJ, and the Hawks spent all season trying to replace him
- maria_wyeth

And I think it was Zawaski that reported Saad and Leddy told Shaw to take less to stay here and Saad said he regretted not being more involved in negotiations.

Panarin may end up being a better player. Yet to be seen BUT Saad was simply a perfect fit with Toews and Hossa and his speed opened up so much.

Imagine what this team would have looked like with both of them? I would have gladly passed on AA to see Saad and Panarin as our 1 and 2 LW.

And I also see that trade as a loss now. Even at the time I thought the Saad package should have warranted AA, Dano plus Jarmo's 1st or 2nd rounder in 15. Remember, Jarmo also got Paliotta in that deal - now considered one of their top D prospects.

Gee Stan, how about if Saad nets 30 goals for CBJ you get a 1st or 2nd rounder in 16? That would have made it comparable to the RFA compensation to sign him.

Thought I had read Hamonic had backed off his trade demand, and here it is...

http://www.newsday.com/sp...-trade-request-1.11782625
- MartiniMan

Yes

Yes
- Al

Garth would not part with Hamonic for Crow anyways. I have discussed Crow over on the Isles thread for a few seasons. He would be a difference maker there IMO but Halak would be coming back to the Hawks to get the deal done.

None of that is relevant to the point. When trading an asset (Daley) you so obviously valued higher months earlier you could have easily structured an additional pick or picks into the back end based on TOI or games played. It could have easily gone both ways (he could have agreed to pay extra if Scuderi excelled here). Call it insurance for both sides. Not a complex concept.

For a GM widely considered an advanced stats and cap guru - many of Bowman's trades look pretty clueless. Particularly those of the last 18 months.

Danault and a SECOND rounder for 2 rentals? That is a 1st and 2nd rounder for a PTO player in Fleishmann and a slumping Weise? Why not make that 2nd rounder conditional?

Sharp and JOHNS for Garbutt and Daley but Nill retains on Garbutt only? Why doesn't Johns give Bowman any leverage at all? Is this a fire sale? Require the retained be on Daley or a prospect back... or a pick based on Johns TOI in the playoffs.

TT (a 1st rounder) for a 2nd and 3rd plus $4m plus in cap space makes more sense BUT even here a performance based pick could easily be added.... say TT reaches 60 points then a 2nd rounder is added.

For having such a large front office the Hawks keep things very, very basic.... and player development? How about the whole "Dano is a right wing only - even in the AHL" mantra in the front office? So obviously a mistake we could see it in the 300 level.
- tredbrta

Start with the premise there wasn't much of a market for Sharp and absolutely none for Bickell last summer and save yourself some aspirins.

Then realize Danault is a nice 3rd/4th liner but those are players that can be replaced when trying to win a Cup and they didn't feel he was a fit this post season.

The 3rd/4th line wasn't good enough to win the Cup before acquiring Weise and Fleischman...Unfortunately it wasn't enough.

I think the likeliest destination where CC might go, if he goes, is to a young, rebuilding club, with talent everywhere but in net, or to a GM who is a believer in him above what else is out there and sees him as a chip that helps take a good team to a great team.

I have heard him mentioned in connection with (as teams that like him and would deal for him):

WPEG
BUF
NJ

I would not rule out Toronto or NYI
- John Jaeckel

If he is on the market, what would you want from Calgary? Would Backlund a 2nd and a prospect get it done? Backs is cheaper and younger than Ladd will be, a great 3 C, and would offer good cap flexibility.

Good evening all

Start with the premise there wasn't much of a market for Sharp and absolutely none for Bickell last summer and save yourself some aspirins.

Then realize Danault is a nice 3rd/4th liner but those are players that can be replaced when trying to win a Cup and they didn't feel he was a fit this post season.

The 3rd/4th line wasn't good enough to win the Cup before acquiring Weise and Fleischman...Unfortunately it wasn't enough.
- Al

Yet to be seen on Danault. What was KNOWN was he was a highly regarded prospect as a late 1st rounder - and he was performing well defensively in the NHL. Also known, the return for Danault was a player that could have been had on a PTO the summer before and another player who had not scored in a month... both rentals.... and Stan had to ADD a second rounder with Danault to get it done? Looks skewed.

Market for Sharp was not the point. Adding Johns and the leverage it should have granted was the point. And if the market had evaporated on Sharp due to front office procrastination then the blame lies squarely on the head of the front office.

Stan's recent moves look eerily like the moves Shero made before being canned by the Pens. I hope TT plus Bickell signals a change in direction. Good management initiates when necessary. They can't always be reacting. This one has been reacting too much since the last cup.

I'd like to see Jaime McGinn brought in. The defense still needs an upgrade IMO. Kempny has never played in the NHL before. I just think that it might be good to tame expectations on him.
- 93Joe

Sounds like Cowan will be bought out and Schlemko is a free agent. if you add both of those then use Kempney sparingly he wull have more time to adapt to the North American rink and game. it also puts TVR as the #5/6 dman.

Good evening all
- Ogilthorpe2

Hey stranger! How are things on the west side of the river?

Good evening all
- Ogilthorpe2

Welcome to the party Ogi!

Hildebrand was 1st team All American. Could be more than depth.
- tredbrta

Possibly. But I have my doubts that the organization will stick Carruth back in Indy or stick the new guy from Sweden there either - at least to start the season. If either falter or get injured, then Hildebrand will get a shot.

All roster moves between now and next summer are made not only with 2016-17 in mind, but with the unique situation of the expansion draft as well.

My guess is that StanBo wants to bring Ladd back on a 3-4 year deal, which means moving parts out not only based on salary, but if they are one of the 7 forwards he expect to protect from the Las Vegas team. Teuvo probably would not be one of those 7 players, so taking back draft picks is wise because his roster spot can be filled with a less expensive player (after Teuvo's contract increase next year) with the savings going towards a top 6 player (Ladd) that will be roster protected next summer. The difficult part will be maneuvering through the salary cap next year, but traditionally StanBo is a master at this.

Additionally, if Ladd can be brought back, it does 2 things. It takes away the sting of losing a #1 pick for a rental player that didn't produce a Cup, and it also relieves the frustrating situation the Hawks were in most of last year, which was the desperate attempt to find a 1LW to play with 19 and 81.

And with that said, you would have your top 2 lines set for next year and beyond.

Good evening all
- Ogilthorpe2

Someone on here referred to you as Amelia a week or so ago

Hey stranger! How are things on the west side of the river?
- Return of the Roar

Going well. Busy. New job, new house. Hope all is well East Side.

Someone on here referred to you as Amelia a week or so ago
- 6628

Been crazy busy. Once the Hawks were eliminated I had to tune out for a while and concentrate on bigger issues.

Life is starting to slow back down now...I think. Should be around more, to the delight of a few and the dismay of many.

i sure hope tt for drouin was never on the table last yr.
im happy with the deal today,not much else you can do in this salary cap world!

Possibly. But I have my doubts that the organization will stick Carruth back in Indy or stick the new guy from Sweden there either - at least to start the season. If either falter or get injured, then Hildebrand will get a shot.
- EKB13

Good point. The Swede has a one way deal so they aren't paying him that much to play below the AHL.

Hildebrand may be a project. What happened with Visentin? Still under contract?

Sounds like Cowan will be bought out and Schlemko is a free agent. if you add both of those then use Kempney sparingly he wull have more time to adapt to the North American rink and game. it also puts TVR as the #5/6 dman.
- ikeane

Somebody will take a chance on Cowan, but so far despite impressive physical attributes he hasn't grasped the concept in the NHL. That's another was of saying he may be just a little dumber than most.

All roster moves between now and next summer are made not only with 2016-17 in mind, but with the unique situation of the expansion draft as well.

My guess is that StanBo wants to bring Ladd back on a 3-4 year deal, which means moving parts out not only based on salary, but if they are one of the 7 forwards he expect to protect from the Las Vegas team. Teuvo probably would not be one of those 7 players, so taking back draft picks is wise because his roster spot can be filled with a less expensive player (after Teuvo's contract increase next year) with the savings going towards a top 6 player (Ladd) that will be roster protected next summer. The difficult part will be maneuvering through the salary cap next year, but traditionally StanBo is a master at this.

Additionally, if Ladd can be brought back, it does 2 things. It takes away the sting of losing a #1 pick for a rental player that didn't produce a Cup, and it also relieves the frustrating situation the Hawks were in most of last year, which was the desperate attempt to find a 1LW to play with 19 and 81.

And with that said, you would have your top 2 lines set for next year and beyond.
- Katana777

I'd rather see the sting removed by signing Vesey. They should go hard after him.

I like Ladd and what he brings but the cost is too great. All of the young assets being traded. A front office priority needs to be getting younger.

What happened with Visentin? Still under contract?
- tredbrta

Visentin was on a one-year deal and missed the last couple of months of the season to injury. My guess is that the injury might have been the same injury where he missed a season while playing in the 'Yotes system. If that's the case, Visentin could be calling it a career.

Been crazy busy. Once the Hawks were eliminated I had to tune out for a while and concentrate on bigger issues.

Life is starting to slow back down now...I think. Should be around more, to the delight of a few and the dismay of many.
- Ogilthorpe2

Delight !!!

Give thoughts on the trade yet . ?


I dont mind it. Espexially because of the moves to come. Never loved TT , hate Bickell , so be it .

Visentin was on a one-year deal and missed the last couple of months of the season to injury. My guess is that the injury might have been the same injury where he missed a season while playing in the 'Yotes system. If that's the case, Visentin could be calling it a career.
- EKB13

I was really hoping they would sign one of the better NCAA free agent goalies like Ellis or Lyon.

Hey Rainman...there's dancing in the streets. A total win for Stan on this trade...meanwhile he still has Runny on the roster wasting a mil. Still would have loved to seen TT moved for Drouin.

Completely agree with you and Wiz on the overhyped prospect softball articles by the local media.

Meanwhile wondering what's next here?

Soupy back on a cap friendly deal to help the bottom of the defense? And it looks like we see Shaw still here? Assuming they're still thinking about moving a big piece to get some relief and a left wing for Toews.
- DK002

My main source agrees with you, thinks it's a big win for Stan.

Interesting side note: Hawks not shopping Crawford but are getting calls from "multiple teams" on him. Market appears to be a first round draft pick. Salary cap will determine what moves are next.

Ladd returning is still a possibility, but not very likely "at this point."

Schneiders numbers are more impressive than Crawfords since Schneider came to NJ.

No clue why NJD bothers trading for CC
- hawkeytalkman

Fair point, I sort of misspoke.

NJ was interested in "CC" when Lamoriello was there—interestingly also when Schneider was and they allegedly saw Crawford as an upgrade, FWIW. THAT from a NJ source, and not "The Situation" BTW.

You know where Lamoriello is now and that was what I was trying to say.