Still love this trade.......

I don
- SteveRain[t know how anyone can't score this as a WIN for the Hawks. You got rid of 4 million in dead cap space, since bickell can't contribute on the team anymore. You also retained $0 in that part of the deal.

You sold HIGH on a prospect who sounded blindsided by the move, which is hilarious to me given his season, but anyways......and somehow got 2 picks back. This is a win. You run away, say the right things, and don't look back. Teuvo is NOT going to haunt you long term.

He was given a decent look earlier this year....was he out of position? Possibly, but its time we stop making excuses for fringe players who can't play out of position in the big boy league. Dano, Teuvo, etc.....Teuvo was too small, too frail to be counted on to be a center in the top 6. He was given a chance alongside 19/88 and bombed. His best run as a Hawk he skated with Vermette and Versteeg, and it just goes to show you he needed BETTER players to produce, and he wasn't going to get that here.

So kudos to Stan for selling high.

Spot on to Wiz, as talking heads like Kuc and their asinine "Teuvo Time" lay up articles proved to show what a patsy they are to the organization.

Can we please as a fan base stop overhyping prospects? Because Panik popped in 6 goals in 20 games people are worried he's going to get 20+ next year? Lets relax.....the guy got dealt, felt he had something to prove, and did OK. Lets not assume we just disocered the 2nd coming of Michael Frolik here.......

I hope TT goes on to have a good NHL career. I thank Bryan Bickell as a fan for his playoff runs in 2013 and 2014. When he finally "got it" he was a beast but sadly his body gave out on him and he was GIVEN a BAD deal and HAD to be moved.

Hey Rainman...there's dancing in the streets. A total win for Stan on this trade...meanwhile he still has Runny on the roster wasting a mil. Still would have loved to seen TT moved for Drouin.

Completely agree with you and Wiz on the overhyped prospect softball articles by the local media.

Meanwhile wondering what's next here?

Soupy back on a cap friendly deal to help the bottom of the defense? And it looks like we see Shaw still here? Assuming they're still thinking about moving a big piece to get some relief and a left wing for Toews.

Ladd's last deal was 5 years 22 million.
He's 30

No one is going 6 years 36 million

I would say Shaw is 3 million and Ladd 2 years / 4 per
Question
Is he worth the extra million.
- Colbyboy

His value definitely went down since he rejected Winnipeg's offer, but I think he gets more than 2 years. Unless he takes a 1 yr "prove it" deal, I think this is the last contract of his career.

TT will only approach 60 points if he's skating with finishers... named Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin or Benn.

It will be interesting to see who he lines up with next season.
- ArlingtonRob

Fixed it for ya

Shaw has more junp more snarl and is never lackadaisical...as long as we are critiquing the making of CAP room and how it was used...
well Ladd didn't make enough impact physically and he simply isn't a quick guy that is needed with Toews line, if Hossa is on the other side.

Just think how 5' 8" Conor Sheary and 5' 11" Carl Hagelin's feet impacted the penquins attack...
- wiz1901

He had more hits than Shaw in the playoffs. Led the team.

One is going to be a lot cheaper than the other. Didn't it come out that Ladd rejectected 6yr/36mil from Winnepeg?
- Antz96

FWIW, and I wouldn't bet on his returning, I heard Ladd was open to working with the Hawks on a hometown extension at the time of the trade. This may re-open the door a crack. Maybe not.

I know that Vasilevsky (sp?) had a great run when Bishop went down. That said...

How unlikely of a trade partner would Tampa be for the likes of a CC? I feel like that franchise is in the best position to improve its Cup chances this summer. The Bolts gave Pittsburgh their toughest series on the Cup run without Stamkos and after losing Bishop in Game #1.

Could Steve Y use the vacated Stamkos dollars to do some sort of goalie swap and upgrade to CC, and add a couple of "+" forwards to an already deep team (Ladd, other)? That team is nasty and I thought that aside from the JD saga, they were a load to deal with in the '16 playoffs.

Can we say it now?

Due to the Blackhawks success, they gain an enormous new fan base. With that fanbase, came newbies (and newbie fan web pages) who were inexperienced in the differences of the NHL draft and the NFL draft.
After the Stanley Cup win in 2010, the new fans were looking for a draft pick who was going to take the role of their young hope.
They were fed the “we didn’t think he would be there…” standard draft verbiage.
And the PR team couldn’t help but discuss his skill and World Junior success.
The fans wanted to believe…we all did…that the 18th overall pick was gonna be more than a supplementary roster piece. A scorer is what we hoped.
If you simply looked at all the players other teams selected before him, you see he isn’t the only guy on a tightrope balancing between impartial success and mediocrity.
Only two guys picked after have stood out Olli Maatta &Andrey Vasilevskiy, and potentially, wonder kid Jimmy Vesey in the third round.
Hell, the FIRST guy picked will probably be with a different club after the draft.

The TT train arrived on wheels greased with hype.
I think they kept the pressure at a minimum.
TT was the one pushing for on the job training and NHL workload, and he got it.

It is unfortunate his body of work didn’t contribute to the team going farther than three Stanley Cup wins. (One assist…so no #5 overall scorer in the REAL season the matter, buddy.)
- wiz1901

You can add Janitor to that list next year after he rains thunder and destruction on all who dare try to slow him down.

RFA compensation is determined by the offer sheet. Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/.../Offer_sheet#Compensation

Even if he falls into that 1st/3rd round category, I still think we got a better return with 4mil salary cap relief (TT + Bickell cap hit)/2nd/3rd.
- Antz96

Correct.

FWIW, and I wouldn't bet on his returning, I heard Ladd was open to working with the Hawks on a hometown extension at the time of the trade. This may re-open the door a crack. Maybe not.
- John Jaeckel

I don't expect him to. His value was higher at the time of that trade. I'd guess with that drop he'd be less willing to take a discount. Either way, I see him as more of a great depth player and not good enough to further complicate the cap situation.

Agree
TT = J P Bordeleau (if you are old enough to remember him) - small clever guy with potential but never quite lived up to it.

I could be wrong and TT could turn into a great player. But at our house we call him Chicken Man. We have Bread Man and Meat Man (Fleischmann).
- -Doh-

Or as I said in my Hotstove submission earlier this aft. (coming to a hockeybuzz homepage near you tomorrow AM):

Pierre-Marc Bouchard 2.0

Up to him. IMO, the kid needs to decide what kind of hockey player he wants to be, and whether he's willing to work to be a good one.

He sort of got by in Chicago (surrounded by arguably the most talent in the league) on hockey sense and skill. But the effort/willingness component was clearly not there, and it did hurt him and the team at times this past year, forcing them to seriously reconsider what role he could eventually assume.

I think a LOT of it came down to whether they thought he could play C and be effective in the Western Conference. Answer, no. See ya, TT.

Fixed it for ya
- John Jaeckel

LOL...yeah, those guys might make it happen.

I would absolutely not be okay with that.
- TommyHawk

Andrew Ladd
Last 8 seasons
Points:
49
38
59
50
46
54
62
56
Average 51.8 per season
Rarely Injured Great Teammate

Andrew Shaw
Last 5 Seasons
Points
23
15
39
26
34
Average 27.4 per season
also Great Teammate

I rest my case but do tell me all about the intangibles he brings

Rockford signed today goalie Jake Hildebrand from Michigan State Univ. to one year deal. So there is Carruth, Hildebrand, McIntyre, Johansson and who else fighting for a job?
- MjulQvist

Just three; Carruth, Hildebrand and Johansson.

McIntyre will be in Germany next season, if memory serves right.

Andrew Ladd
Last 8 seasons
Points:
49
38
59
50
46
54
62
56
Average 51.8 per season
Rarely Injured Great Teammate

Andre Shaw
Last 5 Seasons
Points
23
15
39
26
34
Average 27.4 per season
Injures a lot also Great Teammate

I rest my case but do tell me all about the intangibles he brings
- Colbyboy

Dude has a great flow.

I know that Vasilevsky (sp?) had a great run when Bishop went down. That said...

How unlikely of a trade partner would Tampa be for the likes of a CC? I feel like that franchise is in the best position to improve its Cup chances this summer. The Bolts gave Pittsburgh their toughest series on the Cup run without Stamkos and after losing Bishop in Game #1.

Could Steve Y use the vacated Stamkos dollars to do some sort of goalie swap and upgrade to CC, and add a couple of "+" forwards to an already deep team (Ladd, other)? That team is nasty and I thought that aside from the JD saga, they were a load to deal with in the '16 playoffs.
- phantasmo

I think the likeliest destination where CC might go, if he goes, is to a young, rebuilding club, with talent everywhere but in net, or to a GM who is a believer in him above what else is out there and sees him as a chip that helps take a good team to a great team.

I have heard him mentioned in connection with (as teams that like him and would deal for him):

WPEG
BUF
NJ

I would not rule out Toronto or NYI

Hey Rainman...there's dancing in the streets. A total win for Stan on this trade...meanwhile he still has Runny on the roster wasting a mil. Still would have loved to seen TT moved for Drouin.

Completely agree with you and Wiz on the overhyped prospect softball articles by the local media.

Meanwhile wondering what's next here?

Soupy back on a cap friendly deal to help the bottom of the defense? And it looks like we see Shaw still here? Assuming they're still thinking about moving a big piece to get some relief and a left wing for Toews.
- DK002

Thanks DK....hope all is well with you.

Not sure what's next...have to assume Shaw, unless he's mving that money elsehere.
By now he has to have a realistic number where the Panarin camp is....and if anything is the bible, it's Bowman's love to lock up core guys WELL in advance of their contracts expiring.

I think the likeliest destination where CC might go, if he goes, is to a young, rebuilding club, with talent everywhere but in net, or to a GM who is a believer in him above what else is out there and sees him as a chip that helps take a good team to a great team.

I have heard him mentioned in connection with (as teams that like him and would deal for him):

WPEG
BUF
NJ

I would not rule out Toronto or NYI
- John Jaeckel

Bernier and Corrado abd maybe pick 61.
Then sign Reimer 4 years 4 million
Hawks win cup with leafs goaltending

TT was something of an enigma to me.

Skilled young player with great potential, but lacking in size and averse to contact. With his skillset would've liked to have kept him around longer...

...but so be it. The NHL's hard cap is harsh.

I repeat my wish for some form of a luxury tax for clubs that max out the cap. Tired of clubs being punished so harshly for success.

I think the likeliest destination where CC might go, if he goes, is to a young, rebuilding club, with talent everywhere but in net, or to a GM who is a believer in him above what else is out there and sees him as a chip that helps take a good team to a great team.

I have heard him mentioned in connection with (as teams that like him and would deal for him):

WPEG
BUF
NJ

I would not rule out Toronto or NYI
- John Jaeckel

Or watch Jim Benning give up half of Utica for him.

Kind of a side note, but has been playing into what I've been thinking about today, the expansion draft. How open do you think some teams are to trading some players who are likely to be taken next year?

Teams with Goalie situations
-Crow/Darling
-Niemi/Lehtonen
-Fleury/Murray
-Allen/Elliot
-Bishop/Vasilevskiy

It may hurt to not have a solid #2 backup this year, but you can risk losing a top goalie for nothing.

Then looking further down, teams who have forwards/defense that won't be protected. Do you see the chance for a lot of movement at the trade deadline for teams that are out of it, to unload those unprotected players they feel are gone? Maybe I'm overthinking it, granted each team will only lose 1 player, but I think it could throw a wrench into this offseason and the trade deadline.

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 6m6 minutes ago
Source says #Blackhawks fully expect to re-sign Andrew Shaw with Bickell's contract off the books. Still waiting on cap number, though.

I think the likeliest destination where CC might go, if he goes, is to a young, rebuilding club, with talent everywhere but in net, or to a GM who is a believer in him above what else is out there and sees him as a chip that helps take a good team to a great team.

I have heard him mentioned in connection with (as teams that like him and would deal for him):

WPEG
BUF
NJ

I would not rule out Toronto or NYI
- John Jaeckel

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus 6m6 minutes ago
Source says #Blackhawks fully expect to re-sign Andrew Shaw with Bickell's contract off the books. Still waiting on cap number, though.
- DarthKane

3 or 4 million?

3 or 4 million?
- Crawford

2m please.

I think the likeliest destination where CC might go, if he goes, is to a young, rebuilding club, with talent everywhere but in net, or to a GM who is a believer in him above what else is out there and sees him as a chip that helps take a good team to a great team.

I have heard him mentioned in connection with (as teams that like him and would deal for him):

WPEG
BUF
NJ

I would not rule out Toronto or NYI
- John Jaeckel

Schneiders numbers are more impressive than Crawfords since Schneider came to NJ.

No clue why NJD bothers trading for CC