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DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 10:30 PM ET
BTW, I DID tell you guys they were shopping TT, long before anyone else had it, including Jay Zawaski, FWIW.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=76911

- John Jaeckel


Sorry for forgetting about that info from you since you gave it first.

Seems like JZ is the Hawks' media dude to have drop the hints about bad news...
Tanuki
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.27.2010

Jun 16 @ 10:37 PM ET
Good news about the dead cap hit this year is that it provides the room for Panarin's big raise next year. (and yes, I know there's Darling, Panik and maybe a couple others up for raises next year).

Dead hits this year:
$1.125m Scuderi
$3.05m carry-over bonuses
$100k Runbad salary hit for burying in the rock.
$4.3m dead hit this year goes away next year.
One of the others due for a raise next year was Teuvo. Not any more.

- Cmonalready


Panarin still has the possibility of ~2.5 million in bonuses for this year.
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 10:42 PM ET
StanBo made a very nice move and I really don't think we will regret losing TT in the long run. I would not be 100% confident with a Darling/Swedish import/Veteran on the cheap goalie tandem, no doubt about it. However, I cannot fathom a way for the Hawks to improve their roster for 2016/17 without shedding a large cap hit. Maybe Anisimov+ can land a young Center and Dman? Maybe Kruger is dealt and Stan can find a cheap 3C to take on that role for $975K. I'm only spitballing here, bc standing pat with Richard Panik, Ryan Hartman, Tyler Motte, Victor Svedberg, Erik Gustaffson, ect as the team depth...we saw how that turned out in Round 1....


EDIT: I think, realistically, this is the last kick at the can for the Hawks to win the Cup without a complete blow-up of the Core. Panarin's raise is due, Hossa will be 40, Keith and Seabs will be in their mid-30s and there is nothing in the cupboard moving forward. It may be the pessimist in me, but I think the Hawks need to treat this season as another All-In year. The age and cost of the core, along with the stagnant salary cap has brought this team back to the pack. Stan needs to decide if Corey Crawford in goal and question marks at 1LW, 4D and 5D is a better option than trading 50 and addressing one of more of those roster holes. I personally dont know what Stan will do, but I wouldn't be surprised by ANYTHING this summer or next....

- EnzoD


Said it before and will say it again: think Stan should keep Crawford this year and just get taken to the woodshed next year when they have to dump him to pay Panarin. The lightning in the bottle for the Hawks this year is not necessarily having Motte and Schmaltz pull a Sheary and Kuhnhackl but for the team to be rested physically AND mentally.

Of course, you bring up a great point in the top-6 LW and 4D. Does $6M in cap space from Crawford get you both a LW and D? Plus another backup goalie to Darling?
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 10:46 PM ET
Good news about the dead cap hit this year is that it provides the room for Panarin's big raise next year. (and yes, I know there's Darling, Panik and maybe a couple others up for raises next year).

Dead hits this year:
$1.125m Scuderi
$3.05m carry-over bonuses
$100k Runbad salary hit for burying in the rock.
$4.3m dead hit this year goes away next year.
One of the others due for a raise next year was Teuvo. Not any more.

- Cmonalready


I remember one of the big discussions last year in July was "how on Earth are we going to pay for all the superstar raises for Panarin, Teuvo, and Dano?????" If only...
hawkeytalkman
Joined: 01.11.2016

Jun 16 @ 10:47 PM ET
@renlavoietva

NHLPA will agree to exercise the escalator clause (5%) but wants to make sure everybody's on board before making it official.

- DarthKane


The rumored cap will come in around $73 mil then
Return of the Roar
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Solidly grounded in reality, IL
Joined: 07.27.2009

Jun 16 @ 10:52 PM ET
Said it before and will say it again: think Stan should keep Crawford this year and just get taken to the woodshed next year when they have to dump him to pay Panarin. The lightning in the bottle for the Hawks this year is not necessarily having Motte and Schmaltz pull a Sheary and Kuhnhackl but for the team to be rested physically AND mentally.

Of course, you bring up a great point in the top-6 LW and 4D. Does $6M in cap space from Crawford get you both a LW and D? Plus another backup goalie to Darling?

- DMChi2010


Can also hope the Canadian Dollar gains value by this time next year - very possible. May be single biggest factor in cap growth. It is up 10% since January 26th.
jb3333
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 03.27.2013

Jun 16 @ 10:52 PM ET
I cannot envision anybody but Jimmy Howard being available at a somewhat resonable rate and significant downgrade.
Darling & somebody cheap can't keep you close to the top of the division and in the hunt for the Cup. I listed their salaries a couple pages back.
You know if darling plays a lot and well, I see Crawford leaving but he still hasn't shown a body of work that justifies CC gone.

I don't see a rostered player getting you better than Crow, and don't envision two separate trades to subtract yet another...

- wiz1901


Yes--

Likely any goalie better or comparable to Crawford by trade will still have a cap hit of significance--

My thought is if trading Crawford and Shaw opens up enough cap space to sign Ladd and Matt Martin--- and the Hawks roll the dice on Darling--- (and resign Panarin during the season) would you do it?

I am concerned about Crawford and concussion history and Shaw's back injury history--
DMChi2010
Joined: 06.03.2014

Jun 16 @ 10:57 PM ET
Only required to have 18 skaters and two goalies. That is to say they only need 12 forwards on the roster. Thats two guys at $1.3MM at a $72.8MM cap.
- Return of the Roar


And if a skater gets pre-game explosive diarrhea and has to be scratched....?
Cmonalready
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 16 @ 10:58 PM ET

Today @ 10:27 PM ET
Good news about the dead cap hit this year is that it provides the room for Panarin's big raise next year. (and yes, I know there's Darling, Panik and maybe a couple others up for raises next year).

Dead hits this year:
$1.125m Scuderi
$3.05m carry-over bonuses
$100k Runbad salary hit for burying in the rock.
$4.3m dead hit this year goes away next year.
One of the others due for a raise next year was Teuvo. Not any more.
- Cmonalready


Panarin will be another $2.5MM if he hits his numbers again though.


Gosh, we hope not. A nice finish at 11th best!
Cmonalready
Joined: 07.02.2012

Jun 16 @ 11:01 PM ET
This hurts to break as news, but by my own spreadsheet with all the bonuses described on SCH today, with Scuderi, etc. and Rundblad buried at a cost of $.1M, it's BAD....

If the cap is $72.8M and they pay Shaw $2.5M next year, plus plug in Lundberg for Rasmussen, then they have $2.686M left for forwards #11, 12, and 13. I mean... they can't even bring up three ELC's at $.925M at the same time as that works out to $2.775M and puts them over the cap.

Or they look at a couple of vets for $.7M and bring up an ELC.

- DMChi2010


My spreadsheet shows a little more wiggle room. More like $1m per if they get Shaw at $2.5m. Less for the rest if he gets, say, $3m
Dabearshawks
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 03.02.2015

Jun 16 @ 11:05 PM ET
My spreadsheet shows a little more wiggle room. More like $1m per if they get Shaw at $2.5m. Less for the rest if he gets, say, $3m
- Cmonalready


I doubt they get Shaw for $2.5m unless you change his name to Weise
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Jun 16 @ 11:14 PM ET
I doubt they get Shaw for $2.5m unless you change his name to Weise
- Dabearshawks


Then we need room for a 13th forward bc we all know where Weise would be sent! The Q pound.
mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 16 @ 11:17 PM ET
The Hurt Locker
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Jun 16 @ 11:49 PM ET
Have to disagree, with a buyers market for goalies I would guess the return for a top pair D (cough Seabrook) exceeds the return for 50.
- Sundevil



I certainly agree but is that the case?
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jun 16 @ 11:52 PM ET
I cannot envision anybody but Jimmy Howard being available at a somewhat resonable rate and significant downgrade.
Darling & somebody cheap can't keep you close to the top of the division and in the hunt for the Cup. I listed their salaries a couple pages back.
You know if darling plays a lot and well, I see Crawford leaving but he still hasn't shown a body of work that justifies CC gone.

I don't see a rostered player getting you better than Crow, and don't envision two separate trades to subtract yet another...

- wiz1901


Does anyone have a list of current back up goalies that are UFAs? Also, if they do end up trading CC, I hope they extend Darling first. If they can wrap up Darling for 3 years, 1.5-2 AAV before trading CC, they can avoid having to pay any goalie like a number1 for a few years.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 17 @ 12:39 AM ET
Does anyone have a list of current back up goalies that are UFAs? Also, if they do end up trading CC, I hope they extend Darling first. If they can wrap up Darling for 3 years, 1.5-2 AAV before trading CC, they can avoid having to pay any goalie like a number1 for a few years.
- tvetter


If Darling becomes the #1 he'd get a deal like Talbot or Jones. Even Eddie Lack's deal is $2.75 million per.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jun 17 @ 12:54 AM ET
If Darling becomes the #1 he'd get a deal like Talbot or Jones. Even Eddie Lack's deal is $2.75 million per.
- DarthKane

Can't they extend him on July 1st? If so, they can extend him as a back up, and then trade CC. Btw, I hope they keep CC, but if they're going to trade a big contract, I would think it would have to be his.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 17 @ 1:02 AM ET
Can't they extend him on July 1st? If so, they can extend him as a back up, and then trade CC. Btw, I hope they keep CC, but if they're going to trade a big contract, I would think it would have to be his.
- tvetter



They could, but that would be a pretty crappy thing to do. Stan would essentially be telling Darling he's a backup during contact negotiations then a short while later he makes him the team's #1.
kevndevries
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 01.31.2014

Jun 17 @ 1:08 AM ET
According to a spreadsheet I just threw together the hawks have 65,541,794 in cap spent for next year. Includes overage and dead weight. So no more than 8 million moving forward. Need to save a chunk of that for Panarins deal. 4 million more comes off in dead weight after this year to go towards panarin which helps but really there isnt a lot of money to spend. I dont think the Hawks will contend next year as they are not going to be better than this past year so I would not go for it this year. Trade Shaws rights, honestly I would trade Seabrook too. That gives you a lot of room to work with and you can still sell high on Seabs ( i dont think thats the case in the next couple seasons). Reload and go for it again the season after next.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Jun 17 @ 1:08 AM ET
They could, but that would be a pretty crappy thing to do. Stan would essentially be telling Darling he's a backup during contact negotiations then a short while later he makes him the team's #1.
- DarthKane

Good point.
pjm901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 12.28.2014

Jun 17 @ 1:21 AM ET
Have to disagree, with a buyers market for goalies I would guess the return for a top pair D (cough Seabrook) exceeds the return for 50. Then bring in Campbell @$3M and it saves $3.8M to fill another hole at say LW
- Sundevil


So trade from somewhere that has no depth or potential in house replacements and bring in a guy who doesn't play defense. That won't help make the team better.
gifman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Gifland
Joined: 09.17.2015

Jun 17 @ 1:48 AM ET
Love those stories.

Before I stopped playing, I joined a CFC corp ("The Bastion" I guess at that point), don't remember who they were though, and honestly just never really had the time to get into it. Would have much preferred to find an in with industrialists as I can't handle the pvp.

- stashu


I think CFC & at least GSF had their own industrialist organizations. The best way to pvp is join RvB and learn to fight using Rifters. They cause havoc everywhere they go.

The real fun money came from working the Jita market. A lot of real world stock traders get trained using Eve and Jita. I would spend hours buying and selling items and making nice amounts of isk.

I found this great gif not sure you ever did any fleet jumps but this is essentially what happens. ROFL



For the rest of you think like what is going here... Here is an image of a massive pvp fight.

ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jun 17 @ 5:23 AM ET
Should the hawks have to deal Shaw's rights, what would the return be? Could it be like a Troy Brouwer type deal where they got a first rounder for him or does their cap situation dilute the value of their trading assets?
- cnfan261311

I am thinking a player like Travis Sanheim and a pick might be a comparable return
93Joe
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.09.2015

Jun 17 @ 8:31 AM ET
According to a spreadsheet I just threw together the hawks have 65,541,794 in cap spent for next year. Includes overage and dead weight. So no more than 8 million moving forward. Need to save a chunk of that for Panarins deal. 4 million more comes off in dead weight after this year to go towards panarin which helps but really there isnt a lot of money to spend. I dont think the Hawks will contend next year as they are not going to be better than this past year so I would not go for it this year. Trade Shaws rights, honestly I would trade Seabrook too. That gives you a lot of room to work with and you can still sell high on Seabs ( i dont think thats the case in the next couple seasons). Reload and go for it again the season after next.
- kevndevries

Who replaces him??? The Hawks don't have a replacement in the farm. Who is targeted in a trade involving your #2 defenseman?
TyCamScore
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.09.2010

Jun 17 @ 9:16 AM ET
JJ's on fire.

*NEW Blog up*
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