What rights?

Isn't Ladd UFA?
- StLBravesFan

His negotiating rights from now until July 1. Just like the Stars just did with Goligoski.

Frank Seravalli ‏@frank_seravalli 29s30 seconds ago
Panarin ($2.575M), Teravainen ($212.5K) & Rozsival ($200K) all hit bonuses. By my math, means #Hawks finished within $82,500 of $71.4M cap.

Rozy must have gotten a "my leg stayed intact this year" bonus
- hawkeytalkman

When Panarin was scoring those meaningless points at the end of the regular season, I was feeling sick. Therein lies the reason why we cannot afford a $6M goalie. We have to build a team somehow around our bloated contracts.

What rights?

Isn't Ladd UFA?
- StLBravesFan

Still under contract until July 1st.

Happens every year for players who a team isn't going to sign. Gives the team trading a mid to low round pick a chance to negotiate with the player before July 1st.

I expect the Blues will do this with either Backes or Brouwer (maybe both) as we really can't sign both of them.

Are the Hawks better off slightly downgrading in net and using that $ saved to bolster the F and D? Or are they better off with an all-star level goaltender but a lot of ELC and spare parts filling out the F and D? That's the million dollar question. The more and more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that the best course of action is to sell high on CC and use that money elsewhere in the lineup. It might hurt next season and the Hawks may be hunting for a G if Darling can't handle the pressure, but that $6M could definitely help bolster this squad up front and on the blue line.
- Hawksfan37

Well that's basically the formula they went with last year and we all know how that ended. Especially in light of the ~4m in dead cap space (bonuses and Scuds), I'm also starting to think it's more and more likely we see CC moved. Which I don't want, but unless they are committed to forgoing any hope of a cup run and spending the season developing the AHLers I don't know what the other options really are.

Fleury is very popular with his teammates but Rutherford gets zero blow back dealing Fluery now after winning a Cup with another goalie.
Bowman on the other hand would be in a more precarious position dealing Crawford for mostly picks/prospects this summer.
- Al

NHL teams copycat what worked with most recent winners. The Pens fired a coach and brought up 4 or 5 guys from their farm club and won a Cup. It won't work very often, but there's a chance if you have a Crosby, Letang, Malkin combination and a rookie goaler who plays out of his mind.

So I would pencil in Hartman, Motte, McNeill, Panik, Kempny, Svedburg and a few others for Opening Night. And if Shaw won't play for $2.5M he will be residing at a new address, as will Andrew Ladd.

And Q has no say after Stanbo turns the team over to him in mid September.

Yep....somebody gets it, kudos to Powers.

never knew about Rozsival so instead of the 64.9, it's actually 66.......

I think we may see more trades gentlemen......
- SteveRain

Tolllllllllld ya . . . . . .

NHL teams copycat what worked with most recent winners. The Pens fired a coach and brought up 4 or 5 guys from their farm club and won a Cup. It won't work very often, but there's a chance if you have a Crosby, Letang, Malkin combination and a rookie goaler who plays out of his mind.

So I would pencil in Hartman, Motte, McNeill, Panik, Kempny, Svedburg and a few others for Opening Night. And if Shaw won't play for $2.5M he will be residing at a new address, as will Andrew Ladd.

And Q has no say after Stanbo turns the team over to him in mid September.
- RickJ

If that's to happen - as you imply in your last sentence - then yes - the coaches, the FO, ownership, and the fans all need to make sure that your named youngsters have enough time to grow into their positions - 30/40 games plus - no cups of coffee and then back to I90.

Gentlemen, I'm a long time reader, but this is my first post. I have a question for all the posters who would rather have Ladd over Shaw. I am a huge Ladd fan, but if you compare their lifetime playoff stats, Shaw's seem to be a bit better overall. Plus, he is six years younger. Other than regular season numbers, what boxes does Ladd check off that Shaw does not?
- JPBurke27

Welcome, JP

Shaw's playoff stats with two Cup winners, one WCF finalist. Ladd's with one Cup winner and the Winnipeg Jets. Context.

The age thing is somewhat valid but the miles on Shaw are a lot harder and he may have a serious and chronic back issue—not good-especially with his style of play.

Ladd's offensive game is a bit more refined; he will be more productive.

AND, he is a natural LW, Shaw is a square peg there.

Tolllllllllld ya . . . . . .
- John Jaeckel

I really can't see how we are going to keep Crawford and Shaw. I would rather trade them and get the picks in return. Sign Matt Martin who should come in at a lot less then Shaw but far more physical.

I still think entertaining the idea of trading Kane should be done as well. I say open the door and see what comes in. You might get a massive deal that could solve all of these issues.

NHL teams copycat what worked with most recent winners. The Pens fired a coach and brought up 4 or 5 guys from their farm club and won a Cup. It won't work very often, but there's a chance if you have a Crosby, Letang, Malkin combination and a rookie goaler who plays out of his mind.

So I would pencil in Hartman, Motte, McNeill, Panik, Kempny, Svedburg and a few others for Opening Night. And if Shaw won't play for $2.5M he will be residing at a new address, as will Andrew Ladd.

And Q has no say after Stanbo turns the team over to him in mid September.
- RickJ

Yep.

Don't be deluded into thinking movement of any of the bigger contracts result in any meaningful additional cap space unless the return is without garbage and/or salaries coming back, and little to no real talent to replace what is lost is acquired.

Kempny and Lundberg are likely already added to the mix, so five forwards need to be added with whatever cap space is left. It can be done with the cans in the Rockford cupboard.

Q must abandon his Dusty Baker act and commit to developing the kids.

Not going to be able to ice a better team by subtracting.

NHL teams copycat what worked with most recent winners. The Pens fired a coach and brought up 4 or 5 guys from their farm club and won a Cup. It won't work very often, but there's a chance if you have a Crosby, Letang, Malkin combination and a rookie goaler who plays out of his mind.

So I would pencil in Hartman, Motte, McNeill, Panik, Kempny, Svedburg and a few others for Opening Night. And if Shaw won't play for $2.5M he will be residing at a new address, as will Andrew Ladd.

And Q has no say after Stanbo turns the team over to him in mid September.
- RickJ

There won't be that many youngsters but I don't disagree...The NHL has never been more of a have and have not league than it is today.

I really can't see how we are going to keep Crawford and Shaw. I would rather trade them and get the picks in return. Sign Matt Martin who should come in at a lot less then Shaw but far more physical.

I still think entertaining the idea of trading Kane should be done as well. I say open the door and see what comes in. You might get a massive deal that could solve all of these issues.


- gifman

From what I read he is a great locker room guy and a really generous individual. I know he does a lot of charity work for kids who lost their parents in the NYPD. Guy can skate here any day... Which I hope he does.

I really can't see how we are going to keep Crawford and Shaw. I would rather trade them and get the picks in return. Sign Matt Martin who should come in at a lot less then Shaw but far more physical.

I still think entertaining the idea of trading Kane should be done as well. I say open the door and see what comes in. You might get a massive deal that could solve all of these issues.


- gifman

Well it creates a new issue of who is going to score goals 5 v 5 besides Panarin

Yep.

Don't be deluded into thinking movement of any of the bigger contracts result in any meaningful additional cap space unless the return is without garbage and/or salaries coming back, and little to no real talent to replace what is lost is acquired.

Kempny and Lundberg are likely already added to the mix, so five forwards need to be added with whatever cap space is left. It can be done with the cans in the Rockford cupboard.

Q must abandon his Dusty Baker act and commit to developing the kids.

Not going to be able to ice a better team by subtracting.
- Return of the Roar

Well I agree with that statement in 99% of cases I think that when it comes to Mashinter, you are going to ice a better team by subtracting him

Welcome, JP

Shaw's playoff stats with two Cup winners, one WCF finalist. Ladd's with one Cup winner and the Winnipeg Jets. Context.

The age thing is somewhat valid but the miles on Shaw are a lot harder and he may have a serious and chronic back issue—not good-especially with his style of play.

Ladd's offensive game is a bit more refined; he will be more productive.

AND, he is a natural LW, Shaw is a square peg there.
- John Jaeckel

It was awhile ago but Ladd won a Cupin Carolina too...Shaw has been the best forward the past two playoffs besides Saad.

The back issue could be an issue going forward but I have just as much doubt Krueger can hold up over the long haul too. Both are small guys that take a pounding.

Well I agree with that statement in 99% of cases I think that when it comes to Mashinter, you are going to ice a better team by subtracting him
- maria_wyeth

Definitely give you that.

Meant won't add by subtracting any of the high salary players.

Bowmans cap mess is his doing.
Tallon pretty much built the team & Stan gets too much credit.

Bowmans cap mess is his doing.
Tallon pretty much built the team & Stan gets too much credit.
- Nighthawk

Explain the 2013 and 2015 rebuilds? That was all Tallon too, secretly telling Bowman which moves to make behind the scenes?

Gentlemen, I'm a long time reader, but this is my first post. I have a question for all the posters who would rather have Ladd over Shaw. I am a huge Ladd fan, but if you compare their lifetime playoff stats, Shaw's seem to be a bit better overall. Plus, he is six years younger. Other than regular season numbers, what boxes does Ladd check off that Shaw does not?
- JPBurke27

Muscles.

Yep.

Don't be deluded into thinking movement of any of the bigger contracts result in any meaningful additional cap space unless the return is without garbage and/or salaries coming back, and little to no real talent to replace what is lost is acquired.

Kempny and Lundberg are likely already added to the mix, so five forwards need to be added with whatever cap space is left. It can be done with the cans in the Rockford cupboard.

Q must abandon his Dusty Baker act and commit to developing the kids.

Not going to be able to ice a better team by subtracting.
- Return of the Roar

What about the trade yesterday? And that was sending a completely worthless $4mil in Bryan Bickell. Corey Crawford is objectively a Top 10 goalie in the NHL and you can argue he is in the Top 5 based on track record in the playoffs and his play last regular season. That type of cap-dump with no salary coming back was literally just done yesterday. And while no NHL talent came back, with the move of Crawford, it does not have to as Darling is an in-house replacement. The only player/position with a Cap Hit over $3mil AND an NHL-ready replacement in-house is Corey Crawford/Goaltender.

I know that every time someone mentions it you are outraged, but its difficult decisions like this that StanBo+Co have to consider in this hard cap league. Stan could very simply package future assets like Hartman, Forsling, or picks with Crawford and not take any cap space back. It's all about finding the right trading partner. I am not saying this is going to happen, but I think to dismiss it as a complete impossibility is incorrect.

Again, I do not WANT to trade Crawford (just like Buff, Ladd, Sharp, Saad, ect), but I stand by my opinion that if the Hawks stay this top heavy and add league minimum depth to fill out 2LW, basically the entire 4th line, and the third defense pair....I don't like their chances of a Parade in Chicago this time next year. You can feel free to disagree, but there is nobody to replace Hossa, Anisimov, Kruger, Seabs, ect.....

Explain the 2013 and 2015 rebuilds? That was all Tallon too, secretly telling Bowman which moves to make behind the scenes?
- SimpleJack

"Magic"

Explain the 2013 and 2015 rebuilds? That was all Tallon too, secretly telling Bowman which moves to make behind the scenes?
- SimpleJack

He can't because Tallon didnt do poop.


Tallon only built half of the 2010 team

How many Cups have the Panthers won under Tallon ? How many playoff rounds ?

"Magic"
- EnzoD

What about the trade yesterday? And that was sending a completely worthless $4mil in Bryan Bickell. Corey Crawford is objectively a Top 10 goalie in the NHL and you can argue he is in the Top 5 based on track record in the playoffs and his play last regular season. That type of cap-dump with no salary coming back was literally just done yesterday. And while no NHL talent came back, with the move of Crawford, it does not have to as Darling is an in-house replacement. The only player/position with a Cap Hit over $3mil AND an NHL-ready replacement in-house is Corey Crawford/Goaltender.

I know that every time someone mentions it you are outraged, but its difficult decisions like this that StanBo+Co have to consider in this hard cap league. Stan could very simply package future assets like Hartman, Forsling, or picks with Crawford and not take any cap space back. It's all about finding the right trading partner. I am not saying this is going to happen, but I think to dismiss it as a complete impossibility is incorrect.

Again, I do not WANT to trade Crawford (just like Buff, Ladd, Sharp, Saad, ect), but I stand by my opinion that if the Hawks stay this top heavy and add league minimum depth to fill out 2LW, basically the entire 4th line, and the third defense pair....I don't like their chances of a Parade in Chicago this time next year. You can feel free to disagree, but there is nobody to replace Hossa, Anisimov, Kruger, Seabs, ect.....
- EnzoD

Yesterday's trade was genius, and also not a comp to what lies ahead in trading the NMC boys.

My point with moving CC is that a guy with a 20 game or so NHL resume who is a UFA after next season gives you two reasons why they lose. If he is lights out, you are over a barrel at expansion time, as the rest of the league will protect the best goalies. The other side of the coin is if Darling craps the bed, your One Goal marketing mantra is in jeapordy, as will be attendance, booze and swag. And, who is your backup, how much does he cost you this year, how much cap do you gain after that move, and is he a protectable guy during expansion.

Almost the identical logic applies any of the other NMC guys.

Yesterday's trade was genius, and also not a comp to what lies ahead in trading the NMC boys.

My point with moving CC is that a guy with a 20 game or so NHL resume who is a UFA after next season gives you two reasons why they lose. If he is lights out, you are over a barrel at expansion time, as the rest of the league will protect the best goalies. The other side of the coin is if Darling craps the bed, your One Goal marketing mantra is in jeapordy, as will be attendance, booze and swag. And, who is your backup, how much does he cost you this year, how much cap do you gain after that move, and is he a protectable guy during expansion.

Almost the identical logic applies any of the other NMC guys.
- Return of the Roar

StanBo made a very nice move and I really don't think we will regret losing TT in the long run. I would not be 100% confident with a Darling/Swedish import/Veteran on the cheap goalie tandem, no doubt about it. However, I cannot fathom a way for the Hawks to improve their roster for 2016/17 without shedding a large cap hit. Maybe Anisimov+ can land a young Center and Dman? Maybe Kruger is dealt and Stan can find a cheap 3C to take on that role for $975K. I'm only spitballing here, bc standing pat with Richard Panik, Ryan Hartman, Tyler Motte, Victor Svedberg, Erik Gustaffson, ect as the team depth...we saw how that turned out in Round 1....


EDIT: I think, realistically, this is the last kick at the can for the Hawks to win the Cup without a complete blow-up of the Core. Panarin's raise is due, Hossa will be 40, Keith and Seabs will be in their mid-30s and there is nothing in the cupboard moving forward. It may be the pessimist in me, but I think the Hawks need to treat this season as another All-In year. The age and cost of the core, along with the stagnant salary cap has brought this team back to the pack. Stan needs to decide if Corey Crawford in goal and question marks at 1LW, 4D and 5D is a better option than trading 50 and addressing one of more of those roster holes. I personally dont know what Stan will do, but I wouldn't be surprised by ANYTHING this summer or next....