Yeah, what happened with Kekalainen?

They may have the worst cap situation in the Eastern Conference.
- johndewar

There is a lot that contributed to it I think

ownership
injuries
timing of contracts

So you're 100% positive that Streit's issues last season were due to decline, rather than injury. Is it possible that Streit could return to form, and due to being in the last year of his contract, would be a more valuable trade chip and have more team's interested due to his contract situation.

Since you're so sure of what his value is, what could they have gotten for him prior to last year, and what could they get for him now, since it is so obvious. Give some specifics.
- MJL

We're not gonna deal in hypotheticals in here.

I don't remember where, but there was something about the expansion team not being able to trade the player back to the team they drafted him from during the first season.

Edit: Found it
http://thehockeywriters.c...draft-rules-gain-clarity/

That last batch of rules is partly about keep the drafting teams honest, to avoid the weird shenanigans that can occur around an expansion draft, where the expanding team comes to a deal with another club to select a particular player (someone with an expiring contract or a retiring player, for example) in exchange for something else.

Toward that end, the expansion team will be allowed to trade any player selected, but players selected in the expansion draft cannot be traded to their previous team until January 1. They will also be prohibited from buying out any players selected until after the 2017-18 season..
- jmatchett383

i couldve saved you some time there, buddy

yeah that complicates things but doesnt make it impossible by any means

There are notifications that go off when you say something like that
- YuenglingJagr

Holy poop, it worked. Let me try one.

Braydon Coburn is better than Joe Pavelski.

We're not gonna deal in hypotheticals in here.
- jmatchett383

He sounded quite sure that I was wrong, so how hypothetical is it? I'll await his reply. Doubt he'll step to the plate.

i couldve saved you some time there, buddy

yeah that complicates things but doesnt make it impossible by any means
- YuenglingJagr

Don't you mean iCould've?

Not impossible, but there'd have to be a 3rd team involved, or more of a "If you take this player instead of that player, we'll make it worth your while," kind of thing.

He sounded quite sure that I was wrong, so how hypothetical is it? I'll await his reply. Doubt he'll step to the plate.

- MJL

He's not going to propose hypothetical deals in here, we deal only with facts. This is the truth of the system in all truthfulness. That's a fact.

Don't you mean iCould've?

Not impossible, but there'd have to be a 3rd team involved, or more of a "If you take this player instead of that player, we'll make it worth your while," kind of thing.
- jmatchett383

yeah that...i am really just saying they could go off the board and pick who they think is simply the most "valuable" player with no intention of actually ever letting him put on a jersey for the Las Vegas [insert team name]

The purpose will solely be to create trades for players that needed to be protected or multiple players from one team

Yeah that is one option for sure.

I was thinking something more along the lines of using younger unprotected players with potential to get older veterans that were originally protected and/or had to be protected due to NMC...like Hartnell or something like that. He is a perfect guy to be picked for a new expansion team, but cant be.

The more that comes out the more it is becoming obvious that some younger, cheaper guys will be picked...just have to hope its not ours! If the rumors are true, the new team will not have to reach the cap floor completely (depending on what its set at this year) and they will take 3 goalies so it would make sense for one of them to be a longer term solution
- YuenglingJagr

The rule I read says they have to draft between 60-100% of the cap in the expansion draft and can only take one player from each established team. I'm sure a lot of teams would love to have a guy currently under a NMC grabbed and off their cap.

I'm also sure we'll see some deals like the one I mentioned about MacDonald.

He's not going to propose hypothetical deals in here, we deal only with facts. This is the truth of the system in all truthfulness. That's a fact.
- jmatchett383

That's what I want from him, to lay out his facts. He said I was obviously wrong.

Yeah, what happened with Kekalainen?

They may have the worst cap situation in the Eastern Conference.
- johndewar

Firing Richards early in the year when injuries and poor goaltending contributed heavily to the team's slide and hiring Torts was questionable.

They're loaded with no move & no trade clauses, bad contracts and questionable direction

With you on that one. Carolina is moving in the right direction. Also, if the Devils can find some scoring to go with their developing D group and Schneider, they could quickly move up the in the standings too.
- BiggE

Yeah, sucks to see

Firing Richards early in the year when injuries and poor goaltending contributed heavily to the team's slide and hiring Torts was questionable.

They're loaded with no move & no trade clauses, bad contracts and questionable direction
- Jsaquella

People complain about Mase, and yet he makes $3.325m less than Bob and has also been healthier.

People complain about Mase, and yet he makes $3.325m less than Bob and has also been healthier.
- Feanor

He has. I don't get the Mason hatred. Never really have

Firing Richards early in the year when injuries and poor goaltending contributed heavily to the team's slide and hiring Torts was questionable.

They're loaded with no move & no trade clauses, bad contracts and questionable direction
- Jsaquella

If they're worried about having to protect players, let's give them AMac for Hartnell, caveat being Hartnell terminating his NMC.

Also, if the Devils can find some scoring to go with their developing D group and Schneider, they could quickly move up the in the standings too.
- BiggE

Yes, and that bugs me to no end.

He has. I don't get the Mason hatred. Never really have
- Jsaquella

Mason hate is irrational.

If they're worried about having to protect players, let's give them AMac for Hartnell, caveat being Hartnell terminating his NMC.
- jmatchett383

They need cap space to extend Jones.

What if the whole league just made a pact to not trade for Fluery?

They need cap space to extend Jones.
- Feanor

Well, it doesn't help them with that, but it gives them one less player to have to protect.

If they're worried about having to protect players, let's give them AMac for Hartnell, caveat being Hartnell terminating his NMC.
- jmatchett383

I wonder if that would be permitted...

I wonder if that would be permitted...
- Jsaquella

Don't see why it wouldn't be.

Don't see why it wouldn't be.
- jmatchett383

Because the NHL seems determined to prevent any and all sort of out and out chicanery.

Firing Richards early in the year when injuries and poor goaltending contributed heavily to the team's slide and hiring Torts was questionable.

They're loaded with no move & no trade clauses, bad contracts and questionable direction
- Jsaquella

Which werent as bad until the expansion rule came into effect

Which werent as bad until the expansion rule came into effect
- YuenglingJagr

They weren't, but looking at the guys who have them: Dubinsky, Foligno, Hartnell, Clarkson, Tyutin.

There's nothing close to a franchise guy or top notch player in the bunch-plus they all have very significant cap hits-and a few can be argued as being overpaid