Second trade is very fair for both squads and very interesting. If (IF) the Leafs could get Stamkos, he basically takes over JVR's most important value which is being the only veteran on the squad that is a legitimate top-6 winger.
- AdamFrench

every trade i propose assumes:

stamkos is coming

I think they're stuck with Bernier for the majority of this coming season, I predict they will try to get a young goalie ready to take the next step but caught behind some others (Hutchinson? Kinkaid?) to challenge Bernier and take over by end of season;
Maybe see JVR dealt for young D?
Still not entirely sold that Lou & Co. are going to go full Stamkos
Should be interesting for sure , a lot more interesting than the last few off seasons!
- Morris_Wanchuk

I disagree on Bernier - there will be lots of goalies moved in the coming months. Teams can only protect one and that means at least 10 teams are in danger of losing an asset for nothing. Babcock rarely called out individual players - Bernier was in the Chateau de Bow-Wow for most of the season until Reimer got traded. Can't see Leafs giving him any opportunity moving forward.

I agree on JVR - and there will be plenty of interest.

And they were run over handily by a faster more skilled team. Pitts d pretty meh on paper but they have enough skill and speed and sjs size advantage was non existent.

Speed and skill over guys that are nothing but big bodies.
- burn

Dumoulin finally reaching his potential (for 2 series at the very least) really helped. He was better than even Letang against the Sharks imo.

Don't be bashing the big Polak..he was traded for just this year and helped his team get to the finals...not too bad IMO. For sure you don't want this guy as your #1...but he won't hurt you as a 6/7. He's certainly not slow...uses his body...just gets a little hurried/hand grenade with the puck sometimes.

I'd sooner him than a guy similiar to him who doesn't throw checks etc. These guys do have skill, they didn't make it to the NHL on their looks...well maybe Polak did but......
- Garnie

On a cheap short-term deal maybe, but he'll probably get 3+ somewhere because of his Finals appearance.

Polak making a good chunk of change, not smart cap management to put that kind of coin at 6-7 especially when you know he can't exit his own zone. Better options.
- burn

Well he helped SJ get to the finals...he can exit his zone the odd time I hope.

I didnt look at his salary...i'm just saying...if the skill is similiar...give me Polak ( if the team can afford him ) to at least keep them honest in our end....even the best players only have the puck lets says 60% of the time...what are the Gardiner's doing in our end when they don't have the puck?....getting owned like mules....I think I recall Polak playing a lot of his mins against Tarensenko in the STL series....and he was shut down the whole series. ( i know wasnt all Polak lol but he wasnt sheltered from the top line )

obviously skill is better than size...but these guys with size have some skill or they would never have made the NHL.

Top-6 winger and a guy hardly cracking the top-4 of his AHL squad for a 2/3 defender that shoots right?

Seems pretty fair.
- AdamFrench

Personally i'd be keeping a close eye on Jaden Schwartz. RFA, probably going to ask for 5M+. If Rutherford balks at that number the potential to expand those deals becomes very enticing.

JVR, Bozak, Dermott, 31

for

Schwartz, Shattenkirk, 59.

And they were run over handily by a faster more skilled team. Pitts d pretty meh on paper but they have enough skill and speed and sjs size advantage was non existent.

Speed and skill over guys that are nothing but big bodies.
- burn

To be fair Burn, I think Pitts ( thanks to TO ) had one of the deepest 3-4 lines in a long long time....

I don't have a Polak jersey i just think he gets a bad ride and his team just won the WEST....not an easy chore IMO.

Personally i'd be keeping a close eye on Jaden Schwartz. RFA, probably going to ask for 5M+. If Rutherford balks at that number the potential to expand those deals becomes very enticing.

JVR, Bozak, Dermott, 31

for

Schwartz, Shattenkirk, 59.
- H8terade

Rutherford might balk at that, but I don't know why Pitts' GM is hanging around the Blues

All pooplording aside

I think the Blues get bent over in that deal to be honest and would have to KNOW they have no chance of signing the Shattenschwartze

Well he helped SJ get to the finals...he can exit his zone the odd time I hope.

I didnt look at his salary...i'm just saying...if the skill is similiar...give me Polak ( if the team can afford him ) to at least keep them honest in our end....even the best players only have the puck lets says 60% of the time...what are the Gardiner's doing in our end when they don't have the puck?....getting owned like mules....I think I recall Polak playing a lot of his mins against Tarensenko in the STL series....and he was shut down the whole series. ( i know wasnt all Polak lol but he wasnt sheltered from the top line )

obviously skill is better than size...but these guys with size have some skill or they would never have made the NHL.
- Garnie

The odd time is the issue, need to strive for higher standard than a few times. He's like 80% fail rate. Find someone better.


Of course they have skill, Colton Orr had a skill but it wasn't playing hockey. The problem is guys like polak that only have skill at hitting guys (too many from behind) and being gritty are being moved away from because teams don't want to spend their whole time in their own zone.

Personally i'd be keeping a close eye on Jaden Schwartz. RFA, probably going to ask for 5M+. If Rutherford balks at that number the potential to expand those deals becomes very enticing.

JVR, Bozak, Dermott, 31

for

Schwartz, Shattenkirk, 59.
- H8terade

That's interesting.

Any way of fitting Elliot in there some where?

With yeo going to St. Louis wonder if there is any wild players he'd want to bring over.

Rutherford might balk at that, but I don't know why Pitts' GM is hanging around the Blues

All pooplording aside

I think the Blues get bent over in that deal to be honest and would have to KNOW they have no chance of signing the Shattenschwartze
- AdamFrench

Hahaha...Armstrong...dumbass! Lol

And yes, i'm making a couple assumptions that Schwartz and Shatts want big money and Backes goes somewhere else.

Again, something to keep an eye on.

Hahaha...Armstrong...dumbass! Lol

And yes, i'm making a couple assumptions that Schwartz and Shatts want big money and Backes goes somewhere else.

Again, something to keep an eye on.
- H8terade

How long before Backes joins E. Staal, Horton, Brown and Richards in 2003 hasbeens?

The odd time is the issue, need to strive for higher standard than a few times. He's like 80% fail rate. Find someone better.


Of course they have skill, Colton Orr had a skill but it wasn't playing hockey. The problem is guys like polak that only have skill at hitting guys (too many from behind) and being gritty are being moved away from because teams don't want to spend their whole time in their own zone.
- burn

Thats fine..that's your opinion....still lots of teams will be looking at Polak type players. Polak isnt slow, sure he makes the odd mistake...he's far from 80% fail rate. Played 17 mins/gm...Sharks would have been out in 4 games if he was failing 80%....

it's all good...I already knew your stance on Polak...I don't think youre completely wrong but I don't wholly agree obviously.

Polak's corsi 49.8
Morgan Rielly's corsi 49.8

I don't think their equal but 80% fail is a bit steep

To be fair Burn, I think Pitts ( thanks to TO ) had one of the deepest 3-4 lines in a long long time....

I don't have a Polak jersey i just think he gets a bad ride and his team just won the WEST....not an easy chore IMO.
- Garnie

Players that aren't that good are going to get a bad ride.

I just don't see anything in polak that we need.

Personally i'd be keeping a close eye on Jaden Schwartz. RFA, probably going to ask for 5M+. If Rutherford balks at that number the potential to expand those deals becomes very enticing.

JVR, Bozak, Dermott, 31

for

Schwartz, Shattenkirk, 59.
- H8terade

Wouldn't expect Schwartz to be traded, 23 years old, and will be an 80 point LW for years - not something a good GM would not give up easily.

Thats fine..that's your opinion....still lots of teams will be looking at Polak type players. Polak isnt slow, sure he makes the odd mistake...he's far from 80% fail rate. Played 17 mins/gm...Sharks would have been out in 4 games if he was failing 80%....

it's all good...I already knew your stance on Polak...I don't think youre completely wrong but I don't wholly agree obviously.

Polak's corsi 49.8
Morgan Rielly's corsi 49.8

I don't think their equal but 80% fail is a bit steep
- Garnie

You're posting corsi why? I never said anything about corsi.

What about this:

Bobrovsky, Rychel

for

Bernier, 3rd

Columbus is capped out. They'd save over $4 million this season and $19 million over 3 seasons.

As evidenced by the Bickell deal you need to package a bad contract with a young player or pick.

You're posting corsi why? I never said anything about corsi.
- burn

Can I not post Corsi #'s?

Do you not look at those kinds of stats at all?

The odd time is the issue, need to strive for higher standard than a few times. He's like 80% fail rate. Find someone better.


Of course they have skill, Colton Orr had a skill but it wasn't playing hockey. The problem is guys like polak that only have skill at hitting guys (too many from behind) and being gritty are being moved away from because teams don't want to spend their whole time in their own zone.
- burn

Polak had good speed for a big guy and was capable of making good breakout passes. I'd take him for the right price and term.

How long before Backes joins E. Staal, Horton, Brown and Richards in 2003 hasbeens?
- AdamFrench

I think he lasts a bit longer than them. He was never a huge point guy. Just purely consistent. If he signs for 5 years he's definitely worth it for 3 of them.

Gm's just gotta be smart and start front loading contracts so by the end when players are breaking down they can trade the high cap hit/low money contracts to budget teams.

I'd rather talk about Malkin going to the Hawks

and it better not happen

I'd rather talk about Malkin going to the Hawks

and it better not happen
- Garnie

What do they have to give for him?

Can I not post Corsi #'s?

Do you not look at those kinds of stats at all?
- Garnie

Yeah but it seemed like you were countering the 80% fail with the corsi comment.

Polak had good speed for a big guy and was capable of making good breakout passes. I'd take him for the right price and term.
- orienbrady22

Well I've seen him for 2 years every game and I haven't seen evidence of that, and the stats suggest otherwise.

Wouldn't expect Schwartz to be traded, 23 years old, and will be an 80 point LW for years - not something a good GM would give up easily.
- winsix

Totally agree. Again, something to keep an eye on though. Blues have a lot of money tied up in some big names already and i'm not sure how high they're willing to go with Schwartz. Tarasenko is tops on the team at $7.5 million right now and there's no way they'll come close to that.

Also gotta weigh out whether the Blues are better off with a 60+ point winger and 40-50 point center at a combined $9 million versus a 70-80 point winger between 6-7.

Do I see it happening? Probably not. But these are the kinds of deals that i'm sure Lou and Co. are looking at.