Id rather Barrie then Shattenkirk imo
- ClarksonDavid

I think Edmonton is likely place for Barrie. That #4 pick will be too sweet to resist.

points aren't everything..

Shats is good, but lets not trade away Brown + for a guy who got a ton of PP time in STL.. He isn't really what the Leafs need.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Of course... but Shat is truly a top pairing guy. Give me six guys who can skate and put up points anyday... the days of D-men like Polak and Doug Murray are done...

That would be a dream - STL would hang up while laughing I would think.

What do you think Shattenkirk will get?

It will be pretty good pay I'm guessing.
- Garnie

At what? I didn't even propose an offer..... I just said if bozak 4.24 and bernier 4.5 are gone that'd be swell.

Certainly no one think that that was an offer for Elliot and shattenkirk?


Edit: forgot to answer second part, I don't know what he'd be looking for or how long but I imagine it probably close to or over 6mil.

Id rather Barrie then Shattenkirk imo
- ClarksonDavid

Not sure Barrie is an option though

So we're getting Matthews, Shattenkirk, and Stamkos. Bozak is gone in the Shattenkirk trade...

JVR - Stamkos - Marner
Brown - Matthews - Nylander
Komorov - Kadri - Soshnikov
Laich - Holland - Hyman
Kapanen

Rielly - Shattenkirk
Gardiner - Zaitsev
Marincin - Hunwick
Carrick

Any questions?
Bernier
Sparks

Id rather Barrie then Shattenkirk imo
- ClarksonDavid

I'm good with that too.... if Rielly and whoever can put up 80-90 points between them than I'm ecstatic

That would be a dream - STL would hang up while laughing I would think.

What do you think Shattenkirk will get?

It will be pretty good pay I'm guessing.
- Garnie

Pretty sure he will be looking to money between the Phaneuf and Subban deals. Elliot is from here (Newmarket) - he won't be expensive IMO

Of course... but Shat is truly a top pairing guy. Give me six guys who can skate and put up points anyday... the days of D-men like Polak and Doug Murray are done...
- lumlums

I agree Lums.

Not sure why some seem to think you can just swindle the Blues and get him for peanuts though.

Guys like Leivo, Percy, Leipsic are not going to be centerpieces for any deal of that calibre.

There's two critical failures that we, as Leafs fans, tend to always make:

1. Overvaluing our prospects
2. Thinking we can trade large amounts of meh for small amounts of

I see it on a regular basis.

- steve362

Yeah, my questions are the two sieves in net

Until that problem is solved, the Leafs are lucky to be in the wildcard discussion

Anyone really concerned about the Leafs losing a d-man in expansion should really check this out:

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/expansion

There are a ton of good d-men out there that will be available. I'd peg it at about a 5-10% chance the Leafs lose on of their young d-men.
- H8terade

lol blue jackets are (frank)ed

Pretty sure he will be looking to money between the Phaneuf and Subban deals. Elliot is from here (Newmarket) - he won't be expensive IMO
- winsix

see ya (frank)ing later then Shattenkirk..

see ya (frank)ing later then Shattenkirk..
- ClarksonDavid

Big difference between what a player is seeking and what uncle Lou is going to give 'em

You'll take 5 or you'll sleep widda fishes

I agree Lums.

Not sure why some seem to think you can just swindle the Blues and get him for peanuts though.

Guys like Leivo, Percy, Leipsic are not going to be centerpieces for any deal of that calibre.

There's two critical failures that we, as Leafs fans, tend to always make:

1. Overvaluing our prospects
2. Thinking we can trade large amounts of meh for small amounts of

I see it on a regular basis.
- WingmanWillie

I haven't seen an offer centering around those guys though....

At what? I didn't even propose an offer..... I just said if bozak 4.24 and bernier 4.5 are gone that'd be swell.

Certainly no one think that that was an offer for Elliot and shattenkirk?


Edit: forgot to answer second part, I don't know what he'd be looking for or how long but I imagine it probably close to or over 6mil.
- burn

Ya - $6m I think would be minimum

I no you didn't do an offer - just don't think both bums be going to StL

I haven't seen an offer centering around those guys though....
- burn

I proposed that it might cost a prospect we'd rather not lose like Brown, for example.

Someone said they'd rather Percy or Leivo

I've seen those two sprinkled into a bunch of trade proposals over the last little while. Conveniently the two prospects that seem to be the most expendable.

What exactly is a few years. Is it 5? Is it 10? Instead of hiding behind a generalization, please tell me - in your expert opinion, what is the time frame?

Your comparison to Edmonton in the past few years is seriously wanting. First of all, Oilers have picked first overall - four times in the past six years. That has not happened in Toronto. This is Toronto's first number one pick since 1985. Toronto, hired expensive, talented front office and coaches - Edmonton did not. They had boozin buddies McTavish and Lowe run the franchise in those lost years.

Toronto rebuilt their AHL team - which did rather well this year, in case you missed it, Edmonton did not.

If Edmonton does anything well in the coming years it will not be because it takes a few years, rather, they were lucky enough to win the lottery and get McDavid. Who I would expect will be seriously looking at coming home as soon as he is a free agent.

Your Generalization about the comments on this site are offensive. I find that the majority of comments (though sarcastic and humorous at times) are for the most part insightful and intelligent
- winsix

Offensive? Wow. Doesn't take much to give offense these days does it?
As far as time lines, I expect us to finish in the bottom 5 - 8 this year, probably just miss the playoffs the following year, and then contend for many years after that.
This assumes we stick to the current blue-print, and don't do something stupid.
The Edmonton comparison has nothing to do with draft order, but with playing too many rookies at once and expecting them to win right off the bat. Most of the proposed rosters I've seen posted have us running with 6 or more rookies, mostly on the top 2 lines. A lot of people seem fine with this, despite these rookies having nobody with much in the way of experience to teach them.
Of course if we do better, sooner, I will be pretty happy. Although it might just be because we won a lottery and were lucky enough to select Mathews... who I expect will be seriously looking to go home to Arizona as soon as he becomes a free agent.

Yeah, my questions are the two sieves in net

Until that problem is solved, the Leafs are lucky to be in the wildcard discussion
- WingmanWillie

Agreed I do not see them investing money into the likes of stamkos and then running out that d.

If they don't get stamkos and don't plan on being overly competitive this year then sure, but if you are making moves to fix the d and forward but not the goalie then it's a huge waste of time.

Ya - $6m I think would be minimum

I no you didn't do an offer - just don't think both bums be going to StL
- Garnie

I never said they would, just said if we could move them out.... Didn't say where.


If blues looking to move Elliot because they want to move forward with Allen then they obviously don't want bernier (who's 2x more expensive than Elliott ) back as lrt of the deal.

Agreed I do not see them investing money into the likes of stamkos and then running out that d.

If they don't get stamkos and don't plan on being overly competitive this year then sure, but if you are making moves to fix the d and forward but not the goalie then it's a huge waste of time.
- burn

I'm just holding out hope that Lou is still as adamant about goaltending as the guy who traded the 9th for Schneider

I'd be happy if a goalie was the only major acquisition this off-season. Even though I know it won't be

lol blue jackets are (frank)ed
- ClarksonDavid

So looking at Winnipeg. They would be losing Trouba for nothing without a doubt if they kept him because their 3 D spots are taken up. There must be a near certainty that they trade him then right?

I proposed that it might cost a prospect we'd rather not lose like Brown, for example.

Someone said they'd rather Percy or Leivo

I've seen those two sprinkled into a bunch of trade proposals over the last little while. Conveniently the two prospects that seem to be the most expendable.
- WingmanWillie

That would make sense as to why they appear in proposals a lot then....

That would make sense as to why they appear in proposals a lot then....
- burn

Which brings me back to my point.

Fans never want to add pieces that hurt to part with in their proposals. Only the pieces deemed expendable

But NHL trades rarely work that way.

lol blue jackets are (frank)ed
- ClarksonDavid

minny too

minny too
- Tumbleweed

This could really increase trade activity. Teams will probably be looking for a way to get some assets for guys that they would otherwise lose for nothing in the expansion draft.

Big difference between what a player is seeking and what uncle Lou is going to give 'em

You'll take 5 or you'll sleep widda fishes
- WingmanWillie

Not sure you get Shattenkirk for five. Barrie will get between 5 and 6 if he goes to arbitration, Shattenkirk as a UFA probably gets more.