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EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jun 16 @ 5:26 PM ET
Just thought about this but what if a condition was placed in a deal for shattenkirk?

If he doesn't sign, STL gives us their first rounder in 2017 or 2018.
If he does resign, STL gives us nothing.

This way, we don't just lose our 4th overall for "nothing" as some have suggested.

Just some food for thought.
Oil1787
Edmonton Oilers
Location: whitecourt, AB
Joined: 06.16.2016

Jun 16 @ 5:26 PM ET
This is the best article I have read in a long time. Hit the nail on the head.
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 16 @ 5:35 PM ET
Just thought about this but what if a condition was placed in a deal for shattenkirk?

If he doesn't sign, STL gives us their first rounder in 2017 or 2018.
If he does resign, STL gives us nothing.

This way, we don't just lose our 4th overall for "nothing" as some have suggested.

Just some food for thought.

- EdmHockeyMan


Shattenkirk really shouldn't be a focus
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 16 @ 5:40 PM ET
Shattenkirk really should'nt be a focus
- prismo

All depends on that extension

He's better than all of vatanen, yandle, demers, brodin, etc

Troubas got huge upside, but at present shats is markedly better than him too
EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jun 16 @ 5:43 PM ET
Shattenkirk really should'nt be a focus
- prismo


So you're saying a player that can fill our Top 2 RHD needs for years should not be "a focus"?

prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 16 @ 5:43 PM ET
All depends on that extension

He's better than all of vatanen, yandle, demers, brodin, etc

Troubas got huge upside, but at present shats is markedly better than him too

- Ihateallofu


Shattenkirk would be a killer option, but the likelihood of us extending him aren't good. Why chase the big white whale and let other options slip through the cracks.
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 16 @ 5:44 PM ET
So you're saying a player that can fill our Top 2 RHD needs for years should not be "a focus"?


- EdmHockeyMan


Except that its not a secret that he wants to play out east !!!!! Dammit Brennan
EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jun 16 @ 5:46 PM ET
All depends on that extension

He's better than all of vatanen, yandle, demers, brodin, etc

Troubas got huge upside, but at present shats is markedly better than him too

- Ihateallofu


Precisely. Prismo, you gave me the scares when said "shouldn't be a focus."
You're better than that!

But nonetheless, if Chia cannot get an extension in place prior to the deal, the next best thing is a conditional assertion. Like I said, a combination of conditional future picks (1st or 1st+2nd, etc) just in case Shattenkirk doesn't sign could definitely convince Edmonton to make the deal.
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 16 @ 5:48 PM ET
Precisely. Prismo, you gave me the scares when said "shouldn't be a focus."
You're better than that!

But nonetheless, if Chia cannot get an extension in place prior to the deal, the next best thing is a conditional assertion. Like I said, a combination of conditional future picks (1st or 1st+2nd, etc) just in case Shattenkirk doesn't sign could definitely convince Edmonton to make the deal.

- EdmHockeyMan

You go with realistic targets
EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB
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Jun 16 @ 5:49 PM ET
Except that its not a secret that he wants to play out east !!!!! Dammit Brennan
- prismo


Meh. We're cooler than the East. We got a new arena, Connor McDavid, and a fire hell storm currently occurring at Fort McMurray... oh wait, I see your point.

Either way, Chia is gonna get pretty creative with the deals he will hopefully be making.

What will be the chances that Chia actually does NOTHING during the draft? Doesn't trade the pick and just picks a player at #4?
EdmHockeyMan
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Location: Lumbridge, AB
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Jun 16 @ 5:52 PM ET
You go with realistic targets
- prismo


Meh, either way, I just hope Chia does something with our defense. He is saying the right words, but he needs to back it up with some action. After all, actions speak louder than words.
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 16 @ 6:04 PM ET
Meh, either way, I just hope Chia does something with our defense. He is saying the right words, but he needs to back it up with some action. After all, actions speak louder than words.
- EdmHockeyMan

RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:53 PM ET
Not me, I think Yak is going to have a decent year this year. Is he going to ever live up to his first overall pick status? Doubt it, he just doesn't seem to have the hockey IQ, but I think he can certainly add value up to his current salary. And, I can't see getting much for him right now, so why move him.
- Beergu


RonPielep
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Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 16 @ 6:57 PM ET
Just thought about this but what if a condition was placed in a deal for shattenkirk?

If he doesn't sign, STL gives us their first rounder in 2017 or 2018.
If he does resign, STL gives us nothing.

This way, we don't just lose our 4th overall for "nothing" as some have suggested.

Just some food for thought.

- EdmHockeyMan


Something like that could work. Although I would almost prefer more coming back if he doesn't re-sign. Like the STL 2017 1st and 2nd because chances are their 2016 1st is going to be 20+ so trading a #4 pick for a 20+ pick and only a year of Shattenkirk still feels gross.
RonPielep
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Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 16 @ 7:00 PM ET
We should do the same for Demers.
- prismo


Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:01 PM ET
Well that sucks

He was at the very top of my list of free agents to chase if we missed out on some trades

- Ihateallofu

Because we need another lefty?
Mr.Bobby
New Jersey Devils
Location: If you don't chew Big Red, then **** you.
Joined: 05.26.2016

Jun 16 @ 9:11 PM ET
Because we need another lefty?
- Jeropotato



Because Suck it Jero!
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:13 PM ET
Because Suck it Jero!
- Mr.Bobby


Blow it out Reveens ass, Stinkfinger.
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:14 PM ET
Because we need another lefty?
- Jeropotato

Because if it's free agent day and we're still searching for defenders, we're probably pretty desperate. At that point, goligoski is ideal despite his handedness

Not much out there really.

Goligoski
Demers
Yandle
Quincey
Hamhuis
Campbell
Lovejoy
gryba

?

If we've got one secured already, one of these guys could be a solid addition. If we haven't made s move, and this our list---> trouble
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:19 PM ET
Because if it's free agent day and we're still searching for defenders, we're probably pretty desperate. At that point, goligoski is ideal despite his handedness

Not much out there really.

Goligoski
Demers
Yandle
Quincey
Hamhuis
Campbell
Lovejoy
gryba

?

If we've got one secured already, one of these guys could be a solid addition. If we haven't made s move, and this our list---> trouble

- Ihateallofu



Yeah, well Free agency is only one method of talent acquisition . I seriously doubt it will be the avenue used to improve our D anyway.
Mr.Bobby
New Jersey Devils
Location: If you don't chew Big Red, then **** you.
Joined: 05.26.2016

Jun 16 @ 9:22 PM ET
Blow it out Reveens ass, Stinkfinger.
- Jeropotato



Why so quiet around these parts lately?
Jeropotato
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Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:29 PM ET
Why so quiet around these parts lately?
- Mr.Bobby



Because it sucks?
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:34 PM ET
Because it sucks?
- Jeropotato



This thread silent still doesn't suck half as bad as some of the regular threads I've observed recently.
Jeropotato
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Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 16 @ 9:36 PM ET
This thread silent still doesn't suck half as bad as some of the regular threads I've observed recently.
- RonPielep

Maybe, but I have more fun in the Sabres and Flames or Tanner threads most times.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jun 16 @ 9:38 PM ET
Maybe, but I have more fun in the Sabres and Flames or Tanner threads most times.
- Jeropotato


Fair enough. What, the Nucks thread didn't make the list?
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