Yes I do. And before you ask me why, just go back and read HB77's post on that exact topic. There is nothing I can say that he hasn't already.
- Wildschwein

They both suck because they have those last names where two consonants combine to make a sound, thus their last names are difficult to spell and pronounce. The Oilers should steer clear of these jerk. Are there any Smith's or Browns or Jones that are good that could be picked at 4? Or traded down to get?

Chiarelli would be wise to to go all in on righty Kevin Shattenkirk from St. Louis Blues or Mark Pysyk of the Buffalo Sabres.
- garf

Hmmm, Shattenkirk, or Pysyk?

Dubois is the prospect that many scouts have put at fourth. I have no idea what you are talking about in terms of doing it every year. I liked Leon and thought he was great but I thought the Oilers were losing out picking him. I agreed with Taylor, RNH and even Nail. I didn't like them picking Nurse, I was hoping they would get Monohan before the draft. HB77 dislikes my posts because I take a stance and sound like it is absolute fact. I do often not take the popular opinion but that's the point. To talk hockey from different angles and not just sit on here sending different pictures to each other.

What I am not is a person who buys in because it is what they Oilers are most likely going to do. I always hated MacT and Lowe and was often mocked on here for it. I am a huge Hall fan and I think the next couple years people are going to understand why I think he should get the C. I don't know what you are referring to in terms of me liking the player they are going to pick every year. The Oilers have done ridiculous things the past decade that I have not agreed with. Trading Perron for essentially nothing, Signing Sekeras to a crazy huge contract and thinking he is a top defender, trading a ton of early picks to get 10 later picks (MacT sucks), they paid a huge price for Griffin... I like Talbot but I thought they should have offer sheeted Holtby.

I don't agree with much the Oilers do until this last year.
- Hall Fan

Another series of excellent, excellent posts, bubba.

Hmmm, Shattenkirk, or Pysyk?
- Aetherial

Tough decision.

Tough decision.
- Jeropotato

It is a perplexing one... if you think you can win the cup next year than take Shattenkirk because we will only get one season out of him before he bolts to the east coast.

Long term you go for Pysyk

If the 4th for Shattenkirk is on the table which is a high possibility considering STL cap space situation and what they would want, could you see Chia taking it? Even with the consideration that Shattenkirk has to be resigned in 1 year before he hits UFA and that there may be a slight 3% chance we lose him?

I'd love to see Chia try to acquire Trouba as well, but I'll keep dreaming.

Sekera-Shattenkirk
Klefbom-Trouba
Davidson-Gryba/Fayne

If the 4th for Shattenkirk is on the table which is a high possibility considering STL cap space situation and what they would want, could you see Chia taking it? Even with the consideration that Shattenkirk has to be resigned in 1 year before he hits UFA and that there may be a slight 3% chance we lose him?

I'd love to see Chia try to acquire Trouba as well, but I'll keep dreaming.

Sekera-Shattenkirk
Klefbom-Trouba
Davidson-Gryba/Fayne


- EdmHockeyMan

As long as you're aware it's a dream

But yeah, shattenkirk and trouba and oiler fans should be dancing in the streets

I'd bet he is still on the table, they are just trying to keep his value high, but who knows.

So, with expansion draft next year, is there any point is going after 2 top RHD like we've been hoping for forever? That would mean either exposing one during expansion, or exposing Klefbom or Sekera. Bad enough that Davidson will already be exposed.
- Beergu

I think in that case, they do the 8 skaters/1 goalie route instead of 7 forwards/3 defenders/1 goalie option

Connor and nurse are exempt.
Sekera HAS to be protected.
Talbot has to be protected .

Ima guess one of the forwards gets moved opening up another protected spot, but Just Assuming no deals are made;

Hall, ebs, nuge, Leon
Sekera, klefbom, defender acquisition A, defender acquisition B
Talbot

Davidson exposed


Or, if one of those forwards are moved;

Hall, ebs/nuge, Leon
Sekera, klefbom, Davidson, acq A, Acq B
Talbot

I'd bet he is still on the table, they are just trying to keep his value high, but who knows.

So, with expansion draft next year, is there any point is going after 2 top RHD like we've been hoping for forever? That would mean either exposing one during expansion, or exposing Klefbom or Sekera. Bad enough that Davidson will already be exposed.
- Beergu

Go after at least 1 high quality RHD that is worth protecting. Then acquire a second pairing guy via cheap trade or FA (Demers) that you don't mind exposing in expansion. That way only, for example, Demers and Davidson get exposed and maybe Demers gets claimed. But maybe Demers is making good money at a good term and his contract isn't super desirable for the Oil going forward anyways.

[quote=HB77]

Or what he said.

Go after at least 1 high quality RHD that is worth protecting. Then acquire a second pairing guy via cheap trade or FA (Demers) that you don't mind exposing in expansion. That way only, for example, Demers and Davidson get exposed and maybe Demers gets claimed. But maybe Demers is making good money at a good term and his contract isn't super desirable for the Oil going forward anyways.
- RonPielep

So exposed notables being left unprotected: Davidson, Yak, Maroon, Pouliot, ... Reinhart

Maybe if we keep Yak around instead of moving him for peanuts, he would be the one plucked. I can't imaging Las Vegas would pass on taking a gamble on him.

Arizona acquires negotiating right to Goligoski

As long as you're aware it's a dream

But yeah, shattenkirk and trouba and oiler fans should be dancing in the streets
- HB77

If Chia could pull that off, just like how Leicester City HAD A 5000-1 odds to win the Premier League Championship and actually pulled it off, then there goes to show anything can happen. Plus all Chia haters would be backing the F off and I'm certain we would easily say Chia's rating would be an A++++.

Nonetheless, the 4th for Shattenkirk makes a lot of sense for both teams. STL needs cap space and damn good, blue chip kinda good prospect depth, but then again any player they pick at #4 will probably be ready to play in the NHL; Edmonton also needs a Top 2 RHD more than anything, EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT THERE IS A 3% CHANCE that the player won't be resigning. It's a risk that Chia should take imo.

Arizona acquires negotiating right to Goligoski
- prismo

Well that sucks

He was at the very top of my list of free agents to chase if we missed out on some trades

If Chia could pull that off, just like how Leicester City HAD A 5000-1 odds to win the Premier League Championship and actually pulled it off, then there goes to show anything can happen. Plus all Chia haters would be backing the F off and I'm certain we would easily say Chia's rating would be an A++++.

Nonetheless, the 4th for Shattenkirk makes a lot of sense for both teams. STL needs cap space and damn good, blue chip kinda good prospect depth, but then again any player they pick at #4 will probably be ready to play in the NHL; Edmonton also needs a Top 2 RHD more than anything, EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT THERE IS A 3% CHANCE that the player won't be resigning. It's a risk that Chia should take imo.
- EdmHockeyMan

Not sure where the 3% comes from, but I would think that you would have to have a contract extension in place prior to making that trade for the 4th. I would suggest that there is a far great chance than 3% that he milks free agency after next season if he isn't extended prior to a deal.

So exposed notables being left unprotected: Davidson, Yak, Maroon, Pouliot, ... Reinhart

Maybe if we keep Yak around instead of moving him for peanuts, he would be the one plucked. I can't imaging Las Vegas would pass on taking a gamble on him.
- Beergu

Totally dependent on what moves in on D and out on F but at this point I strongly prefer going 3D 7F and protecting Pouliot and potentially even Yak. I'd protect Yak over Maroon (if Yak is still here) but I know others here would prob disagree.

If Chia could pull that off, just like how Leicester City HAD A 5000-1 odds to win the Premier League Championship and actually pulled it off, then there goes to show anything can happen. Plus all Chia haters would be backing the F off and I'm certain we would easily say Chia's rating would be an A++++.

Nonetheless, the 4th for Shattenkirk makes a lot of sense for both teams. STL needs cap space and damn good, blue chip kinda good prospect depth, but then again any player they pick at #4 will probably be ready to play in the NHL; Edmonton also needs a Top 2 RHD more than anything, EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT THERE IS A 3% CHANCE that the player won't be resigning. It's a risk that Chia should take imo.
- EdmHockeyMan

Love to have shatty, and as much as I know we're incredibly desperate to acquire help, I still don't make that move without an extension

Losing a top 5 pick for potentially one year of a player isn't incredibly wise imo.
Maybe a team that's on the cusp of a title and needs that one more piece. Even then, I dunno...

Well that sucks

He was at the very top of my list of free agents to chase if we missed out on some trades
- Ihateallofu

Another lefty though, isn't Demers the only decent UFA RHD option this year? And I wouldn't put Demers as top line material.

If Chia could pull that off, just like how Leicester City HAD A 5000-1 odds to win the Premier League Championship and actually pulled it off, then there goes to show anything can happen. Plus all Chia haters would be backing the F off and I'm certain we would easily say Chia's rating would be an A++++.

Nonetheless, the 4th for Shattenkirk makes a lot of sense for both teams. STL needs cap space and damn good, blue chip kinda good prospect depth, but then again any player they pick at #4 will probably be ready to play in the NHL; Edmonton also needs a Top 2 RHD more than anything, EVEN IF IT MEANS THAT THERE IS A 3% CHANCE that the player won't be resigning. It's a risk that Chia should take imo.
- EdmHockeyMan

I think you are naive to give it a 3% chance. In fact 30% already sounds optimistic to me.

Not sure where the 3% comes from, but I would think that you would have to have a contract extension in place prior to making that trade for the 4th. I would suggest that there is a far great chance than 3% that he milks free agency after next season if he isn't extended prior to a deal.
- Beergu

This

An American born player used to winning is a huge gamble

Especially if we struggled again next year. He's probably gone

Just can't risk losing an asset like the 4th for that.

Totally dependent on what moves in on D and out on F but at this point I strongly prefer going 3D 7F and protecting Pouliot and potentially even Yak. I'd protect Yak over Maroon (if Yak is still here) but I know others here would prob disagree.
- RonPielep

Not me, I think Yak is going to have a decent year this year. Is he going to ever live up to his first overall pick status? Doubt it, he just doesn't seem to have the hockey IQ, but I think he can certainly add value up to his current salary. And, I can't see getting much for him right now, so why move him.

Another lefty though, isn't Demers the only decent UFA RHD option this year? And I wouldn't put Demers as top line material.
- Beergu

Yeah, as I said, I'm pursuing deals for right handers first. But if we missed out, rather sign a true top 4 guy (even if he's a leftie) than be stuck holding our Richards when it's all said and done

Desperately need at least one top 4 guy.
Plus that forces nurse and Davidson into bottom pairing roles where they could be extremely effective

Hamonic staying put. Barrie apparently staying put. Goligoski mostly likely goes to Arizona etc. Our options are dwindling.

Who's left that there's been chatter about or is ufa ?
Shattenkirk, brodin, vatanen, fowler, demers, yandle ...?

Plus, gms know how desperate chiarelli is. He's got a tough job in front of him for the next few weeks

Not sure where the 3% comes from, but I would think that you would have to have a contract extension in place prior to making that trade for the 4th. I would suggest that there is a far great chance than 3% that he milks free agency after next season if he isn't extended prior to a deal.
- Beergu

I think you are naive to give it a 3% chance. In fact 30% already sounds optimistic to me.
- RonPielep

Love to have shatty, and as much as I know we're incredibly desperate to acquire help, I still don't make that move without an extension

Losing a top 5 pick for potentially one year of a player isn't incredibly wise imo.
Maybe a team that's on the cusp of a title and needs that one more piece. Even then, I dunno...
- Ihateallofu

97% he resigns.... get it... cause of Connor McDavid.... I mean who Doesn't want to be on Team McDavid.

Nonetheless, I would love to have Chia arrange a contract extension in place prior to making that trade, but it is still a great idea for both teams.

Honestly, adding in Shattenkirk and possibly a few vets during the offseason in courtesy of Mr. Potato, and you are looking at a really competitive team. I'd be surprised if Edmonton doesn't make the playoffs with that kind of lineup.

Also, don't expect this to be Chia's ONLY move. With a F'n degree from Harvard, expect him to get mad creative, just like what he did with the Boston team roster (That Chara trade will go in the books as one of the best), except this time, he has more experience.

If we make a move to acquire someone's rights, Ima take that as a sign of desperation and maybe the trades aren't out there....

Or maybe that's just the pessimist in me

If we make a move to acquire someone's rights, Ima take that as a sign of desperation and maybe the trades aren't out there....

Or maybe that's just the pessimist in me
- Ihateallofu

We should do the same for Demers.