He's one of the worst goalies in NHL last 2 seasons.
Bernier is better by far.
- MaximusAurelius

agree that Howard has been weak the past two seasons.

that does not equate with Bernier being better.

how many wins does Benier have during that time IN THE NHL?

I said it wasn't big cap trouble.

I'm saying the Pens could stand pat and as expected, promote Sprong and Poliout into roles next year. Our whole "bottom 4-5" forwards are all signed to cheap deals. With the 13 forwards, 6 defensemen and 2 goalies we're at $70 million. Obviously we're not the Coyotes in terms of cap hit, but still in a reasonable spot. A Fleury move, even if it brings us back salary will put us nicely under. Ditto Kunitz. Heck, Cole's 2.1 is a reasonable trade chip

My point is, the Pens don't need a Blackhawks style off-load. Bennett is not going to demand an increase. Qualifying Schultz and his 10% raise to $4m was never the plan. He's gone.
- DeflatedPucks

I agree that Pens don't need a Blackhawks style off-load. After all, Pens won the cup - it was well orchestrated too - Rutherford did a terrific job. Talk about improving your job moving from Carolina to Pittsburgh. But - they are challenged for draft picks this year with only two 2nds, a fourth, fifth and sixth - let's see if Rutherford can do some magic.

Apologies if this has already been posted:

https://medium.com/sports...wn-74b0021f092#.t4z8cn4pl
- 1979AD

hahah ...."sometime twice a day" - love it.

If Pittsburgh was smart they'd trade Murray right now..

Command a kings ransom...

Also trade Malkin..

But they won't..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Was listeining to NHL radio on Sirius and James Mirtle said something that really makes things complicated and at the sametime interesting for Pittsburgh....

Fleury has a NMC, and by expansion draft rules, they'd have to protect him. On top of that, you can't protect a second goalie!.

Soooo.. if they want to keep Murray they will have to:
- Ask Fleury to lift his NMC (guessing he'd give a list)
- Auction off Fleury to teams he listed. Highest bidder will most likely give peanuts for him but Pens will have no choice else they automatically lose Murray.

If Fleury says "Screw you i'm staying here". They'll have to trade Murray, and they won't be getting full value for him either!..

Small price to pay to win the cup. Though, even if they wouldn't have won it, they'd still be stuck!

Like Pickard - Not sure if he's ready to be a number one goalie though. Leafs need to add at least 3 goalies to the system by either draft, free agent or trade. I would expect one to be a veteran. Babcock hates Bernier, can't see him playing any part moving forward.
- winsix

maf for bernier, prospect and a pick

kinkaid for sparks

draft one goalie

maf for bernier, prospect and a pick

kinkaid for sparks

draft one goalie
- Tumbleweed

No Way! MAF - has three years left at 5.75 million per - Bernier's contract expires after this year. MAF for Bernier even up and Pens take back Kessel's salary commitment.

I agree that Pens don't need a Blackhawks style off-load. After all, Pens won the cup - it was well orchestrated too - Rutherford did a terrific job. Talk about improving your job moving from Carolina to Pittsburgh. But - they are challenged for draft picks this year with only two 2nds, a fourth, fifth and sixth - let's see if Rutherford can do some magic.
- winsix

Just hope its not like his tenure in Carolina where he won the cup with a veteran group but then changed his mojo and never leaned toward youth and drafting....

No Way! MAF - has three years left at 5.75 million per - Bernier's contract expires after this year. MAF for Bernier even up and Pens take back Kessel's salary commitment.
- winsix

Is that actually possible? that would be hilarious

Just hope its not like his tenure in Carolina where he won the cup with a veteran group but then changed his mojo and never leaned toward youth and drafting....
- DeflatedPucks

Trade MAF and Malkin, sign Stamkos. Boom

Was listeining to NHL radio on Sirius and James Mirtle said something that really makes things complicated and at the sametime interesting for Pittsburgh....

Fleury has a NMC, and by expansion draft rules, they'd have to protect him. On top of that, you can't protect a second goalie!.

Soooo.. if they want to keep Murray they will have to:
- Ask Fleury to lift his NMC (guessing he'd give a list)
- Auction off Fleury to teams he listed. Highest bidder will most likely give peanuts for him but Pens will have no choice else they automatically lose Murray.

If Fleury says "Screw you i'm staying here". They'll have to trade Murray, and they won't be getting full value for him either!..

Small price to pay to win the cup. Though, even if they wouldn't have won it, they'd still be stuck!
- Delryk

Yup. Although how many teams are really interested in Fleury and would he be interested in waiving his NMC to go there.

Who has a spot for a goalie that needs to be protected? Toronto, Calgary, Dallas?, Carolina ....Those same teams will be sniffing around on Andersen, Subban, Pickard and a handful of free agents like Reimer. Definitely a good time to be shopping for a 'tender.

No Way! MAF - has three years left at 5.75 million per - Bernier's contract expires after this year. MAF for Bernier even up and Pens take back Kessel's salary commitment.
- winsix

For that offer, the Pens would be better off keeping MAF this season and dumping him closer to the expansion draft.

Is that actually possible? that would be hilarious
- DeflatedPucks

I don't believe so, but Pens could retain a portion of the MAF contract for 3 years.

For that offer, the Pens would be better off keeping MAF this season and dumping him closer to the expansion draft.
- Tumbleweed

That's risky. MAF is in control of any 'dumping'. Pens need to take any opportunity they can this summer b/c exposing Murray should not be an option for them.

Yup. Although how many teams are really interested in Fleury and would he be interested in waiving his NMC to go there.

Who has a spot for a goalie that needs to be protected? Toronto, Calgary, Dallas?, Carolina ....Those same teams will be sniffing around on Andersen, Subban, Pickard and a handful of free agents like Reimer. Definitely a good time to be shopping for a 'tender.
- The Law

I thought I read somewhere he submits a 12 team no-trade list.

He can control a lot with that.

I don't believe so, but Pens could retain a portion of the MAF contract for 3 years.
- winsix

Call me crazy but I dont think they move him until well into the year. They need to hedge the Murray bet.

Is this expansion team happening for sure?

I haven't been keeping up, couldn't remember if he had gone through or is still just preliminary talk...

Apologies if this has already been posted:

https://medium.com/sports...wn-74b0021f092#.t4z8cn4pl
- 1979AD

If only it were true...

That's risky. MAF is in control of any 'dumping'. Pens need to take any opportunity they can this summer b/c exposing Murray should not be an option for them.
- The Law

The only way the pens are completely, unequivocally (frank)ed is if:

- Tristan Jarry plays 40 games next season because one or both of Fleury/Murray get injured.

Then pens are stuck with 3 decent goalies including one they have to protect.

I thought I read somewhere he submits a 12 team no-trade list.

He can control a lot with that.
- Tumbleweed

Ya you're right. He'll have a lot of control because really it's a pretty small market for goalies.

Any team with a goalie that has to be protected next year isn't going to want to acquire a guy that also HAS to be protected - If that ends up being the expansion rule.

Looks like the war on Kodi has started...

http://www.theglobeandmai...t-claims/article30401979/

Although it is literally a fight against the Android box sellers, you have to figure it is just a matter of time until they try to do something about Kodi (and the like) itself.

Looks like the war on Kodi has started...

http://www.theglobeandmai...t-claims/article30401979/

Although it is literally a fight against the Android box sellers, you have to figure it is just a matter of time until they try to do something about Kodi (and the like) itself.
- Aetherial

Of course. Just as I bought one

Was listeining to NHL radio on Sirius and James Mirtle said something that really makes things complicated and at the sametime interesting for Pittsburgh....

Fleury has a NMC, and by expansion draft rules, they'd have to protect him. On top of that, you can't protect a second goalie!.

Soooo.. if they want to keep Murray they will have to:
- Ask Fleury to lift his NMC (guessing he'd give a list)
- Auction off Fleury to teams he listed. Highest bidder will most likely give peanuts for him but Pens will have no choice else they automatically lose Murray.

If Fleury says "Screw you i'm staying here". They'll have to trade Murray, and they won't be getting full value for him either!..
Except the expansion draft rules have not been defined yet.

Small price to pay to win the cup. Though, even if they wouldn't have won it, they'd still be stuck!
- Delryk

The only way the pens are completely, unequivocally (frank)ed is if:

- Tristan Jarry plays 40 games next season because one or both of Fleury/Murray get injured.

Then pens are stuck with 3 decent goalies including one they have to protect.
- DeflatedPucks

What about if:
1. MAF can't be traded;
2. Murray is the starter next year; and
3. The expansion rules make them have to protect MAF?

Murray is a tradeable asset but that puts them under the gun in terms of getting value.

I thought I read somewhere he submits a 12 team no-trade list.

He can control a lot with that.
- Tumbleweed

Fleury will waive a trade to go anywhere he has a chance to be the starter. He is sitting there with an outside chance of going down as a hall of famer and I think that would be very important to him. He needs 3-4 more years of being solid as a #1 goalie for that to even be considered.

Toronto, Calgary and Buffalo are the best potential landing spots for him to do so. Those are all teams that are not far off from a major turnaround and he could be the cornerstone to that.

Is this expansion team happening for sure?

I haven't been keeping up, couldn't remember if he had gone through or is still just preliminary talk...
- bryant

I think the vote is on the 22nd, but it seems like it's definitely happening.