I think that was Sweeney that pulled the trigger. I remember when it happened thinking that another team was going to offer sheet him so they pulled the trigger on a slightly better deal to make sure that didnt happen.

It is really surprising that offer sheets don't happen more often. I guess the threat of getting blackballed and the old school respect mentality is still there. I wonder if that doesnt start to change with some of these teams moving to younger GM's taking the analytic approach.

I look at Mackinnon knowing the Avs are on a budget and take a chance with an offer sheet on him. Same thing next year with Ekblad. If there is a superstar available and you already have a solid core locked up, just go for it.
- MacPatty

I think that offer sheets do happen more often. Remember, simply submitting and offer sheet and a player accepting an offer sheet are 2 totally different things. You only hear about them after they've been accepted. Maybe not rampant, but more than we hear about.

Also, for the most part, you have to overpay for the player in order for the other team to not match, at which point you're not only overpaying for the player, you're also losing draft picks as well. It should only be done for players that you think can be franchise-changers, to me. So yes, if MacKinnon or Ekblad makes it to RFA, you could take a shot at them and hope they'd agree.

Within 5 or 6 years, the Vegas team will be in financial dire straits or even moved. Bet on it. Or not.
- errey12

Way to make a statement you really stand behind. Why even say "bet on it" if you're gonna safety net your comment with "or not"? Do you believe in what you're saying or not?

Way to make a statement you really stand behind. Why even say "bet on it" if you're gonna safety net your comment with "or not"? Do you believe in what you're saying or not?
- Zac_O

I think it was a joke. Bet. Las Vegas. Gambling.

Within 5 or 6 years, the Vegas team will be in financial dire straits or even moved. Bet on it. Or not.
- errey12

Yup, they'll be giving away tickets for free at the casinos.

I think it was a joke. Bet. Las Vegas. Gambling.
- jmatchett383

I thought I made bad jokes.

I think that offer sheets do happen more often. Remember, simply submitting and offer sheet and a player accepting an offer sheet are 2 totally different things. You only hear about them after they've been accepted. Maybe not rampant, but more than we hear about.

Also, for the most part, you have to overpay for the player in order for the other team to not match, at which point you're not only overpaying for the player, you're also losing draft picks as well. It should only be done for players that you think can be franchise-changers, to me. So yes, if MacKinnon or Ekblad makes it to RFA, you could take a shot at them and hope they'd agree.
- jmatchett383

You are t necessarily guaranteed to overpay on an OS. Look at the Saad situation. I'm not sure 6.2 mil was an overpayment, maybe a bit but probably not by much. If someone had offer sheeted Saad that much, Chicago wouldn't have been able to match that due to cap restraints

Is anybody on here going to the parade tomorrow? And does anybody know if it's being televised by root or nhl network?

You are t necessarily guaranteed to overpay on an OS. Look at the Saad situation. I'm not sure 6.2 mil was an overpayment, maybe a bit but probably not by much. If someone had offer sheeted Saad that much, Chicago wouldn't have been able to match that due to cap restraints
- Victoro311

I dont remember the particulars about draft picks involved....but even at the $6M range, at worst you lose your first three picks. In the case of the Penguins (assuming we had all those picks), a late first isn't 'that' valuable compared to what CBJ gave up in Anisimov, Dano, Morin, and Tropp.

I'd be completely ok spending 3 picks on a young established star like Saad as long as they fit under our cap okay.

I thought I made bad jokes.
- Zac_O

Don't worry, you do.

Just kidding.

You are t necessarily guaranteed to overpay on an OS. Look at the Saad situation. I'm not sure 6.2 mil was an overpayment, maybe a bit but probably not by much. If someone had offer sheeted Saad that much, Chicago wouldn't have been able to match that due to cap restraints
- Victoro311

That's why I said for the most part.

Also, if Chicago felt he was worth that much and wanted to keep him, they could have made moves to make it happen. They'd have to sell low, but they could do it.

Look at the list of offer sheets that have been successful in the last 20 years:
Dustin Penner (2007) 5 years, $21.5 million Comp: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2008

Chris Gratton (1997) 5 years, $16.5 million Comp: Four 1st round picks
(Traded back to the Flyers for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis with Flyers picking up part of Renberg's salary.)

Ron Tugnutt (1996) < $400 000/year Comp: No compensation due to contract value

That's it. Of 13 offers, even the immense Shea Weber one and the Thomas Vanek one, 3 weren't matched. In all cases, what the team gave up hasn't been worth what they've gotten from the player (sans Tugnutt). These were players coming off of massive years on teams that couldn't/wouldn't agree to terms with their players.

Assuming that Ekblad gets to RFA, you can offer sheet him. However, unless you offer him $9M per year, Florida will move whoever it takes outside of Barkov to keep him.

That's why I said for the most part.

Also, if Chicago felt he was worth that much and wanted to keep him, they could have made moves to make it happen. They'd have to sell low, but they could do it.

Look at the list of offer sheets that have been successful in the last 20 years:
Dustin Penner (2007) 5 years, $21.5 million Comp: 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in 2008

Chris Gratton (1997) 5 years, $16.5 million Comp: Four 1st round picks
(Traded back to the Flyers for Mikael Renberg and Karl Dykhuis with Flyers picking up part of Renberg's salary.)

Ron Tugnutt (1996) < $400 000/year Comp: No compensation due to contract value

That's it. Of 13 offers, even the immense Shea Weber one and the Thomas Vanek one, 3 weren't matched. In all cases, what the team gave up hasn't been worth what they've gotten from the player (sans Tugnutt). These were players coming off of massive years on teams that couldn't/wouldn't agree to terms with their players.

Assuming that Ekblad gets to RFA, you can offer sheet him. However, unless you offer him $9M per year, Florida will move whoever it takes outside of Barkov to keep him.
- jmatchett383

Saad would have been a VERY nice offer sheet, that I believe Chicago would have had zero complaints accepting. Anaheim was reported be ready to offer 7 mil a year I believe.

If he is qualified by the Pens any other team can still offer sheet him for whatever Schultz is willing to accept. Smart move for both parties would be for Schultz to re-sign for 1-2 years at $2.5M. His best chance at another big contract will come playing in Pittsburgh in the system that is best suited to his skill set.

Most likely, if a team is considering offer sheeting him they will just trade for his RFA rights. Id like to see Schultz back at under $3M but would also be happy if they moved him for a 1st/2nd. Puck moving RHD are in high demand.
- MacPatty

At this point in time can we afford to possibly lose both Schultz and Lovejoy?

We have no RHD in the system that I think can plug in next year.... so my question is... What's the upper limit you pay Schultz if Lovejoy gets 2.5 million per on the open market?

At this point in time can we afford to possibly lose both Schultz and Lovejoy?

We have no RHD in the system that I think can plug in next year.... so my question is... What's the upper limit you pay Schultz if Lovejoy gets 2.5 million per on the open market?
- Yonk1216

I think you start at the same deal we gave Ian Cole for Schultz. Cole was playing in a tougher pairing than Schultz in his short sample size, and didn't get benched/reduced ice time.

Schultz having a different, more desirable skill set does help him, but 2.1 mil on a 2 or 3 year deal is a fair starting point.

Don't worry, you do.

Just kidding.
- jmatchett383

You think I'm not funny and think I'm a bad guy. I can feel the love.

How did you all find avatar pics that work on here? Every picture I try is to big apparently.
- Zac_O

I keep getting told that mine is too big too, but then again I get that a lot.

I keep getting told that mine is too big too, but then again I get that a lot.
- all-pgh

Its a magical concept... called resizing a pic

At this point in time can we afford to possibly lose both Schultz and Lovejoy?

We have no RHD in the system that I think can plug in next year.... so my question is... What's the upper limit you pay Schultz if Lovejoy gets 2.5 million per on the open market?
- Yonk1216

If Schultz goes you have Pouliot to put in the lineup. If you gen get Schultz somewhere under $3m for 1-2 years I think that is fair and it makes Pouliot expendable.

I believe Prow is a RHD who could possibly be an injury fill in.

Great blog Ryan, congrats on the hard work this year...Stanley Cup Champions!!!

A lot of talk about Colorado willing to move Duchene and/or Barrie. This is where Hornqvist can come into play?

Its a magical concept... called resizing a pic
- Guile

I'm guessing you didn't duck

Is anybody on here going to the parade tomorrow? And does anybody know if it's being televised by root or nhl network?
- tpcg402

It will be on local tv and on the Pens ap. It will not be carried by root. I plan on going, I just need to convince work to let me.

A lot of talk about Colorado willing to move Duchene and/or Barrie. This is where Hornqvist can come into play?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

duchene would be a god send for sid. macinon even better.

It will be on local tv and on the Pens ap. It will not be carried by root. I plan on going, I just need to convince work to let me.
- Thorny

Thank you sir. Hope you can make it. I'm pumped just to watch online, can't imagine what it'd be like in person.

A lot of talk about Colorado willing to move Duchene and/or Barrie. This is where Hornqvist can come into play?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I couldn't see us taking off Barrie without moving maata. We would lose a top 6 wing which we don't have a ton of and then have a log jam of top 4 d. Letang, maata, Daley, dumoulin and then Barrie would alone top 2 pairing guys. Isn't Barrie looking for like 6 per year. Only guy we could trade them is maata since dumoulin is cheap this year.