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- we_are_all_canucks

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I don't see why we should buy Burrows or Higgins out. We're clearly not built to compete for a cup, so why do we need every cent possible this year to sign FAs? Why not rip the bandaid off quick by playing out their contracts this year instead of extending the pain?

I'd be a happy camper with Brouwer at 4 x 4.5 AAV. He would look great on the Sedin line and give us the flexibility to move Hansen for another high pick.

Or if not, how about Frans Nielsen at 4 x 4 AAV?
- we_are_all_canucks

Works for me other than Hansen is too good a value to trade & also very versatile.
Players like him r the glue all teams have or seek. Aka Hagelin

If we could get even a late first early second for hansen its worth it, he would just be taking up a spot for expansion, would much rather trade him for future assets and sign a UFA, Hansen shouldnt be in the top 6 at all if we want a successful season, and id by far rather virtanen on the third line. Or even Rodin
- phyllee

A better TDL deal n fetch highest return IMO

Works for me other than Hansen is too good a value to trade & also very versatile.
Players like him r the glue all teams have or seek. Aka Hagelin
- Nighthawk

agree. The rangers fell apart, in part due to Hagelins leaving.

Virtanen can cruise, Sutter is a fast skated, never seen Rodin play so im not sure how fast he is. And this was the first season hansens speed actually was useful, normally hes on a breakaway and screws up
- phyllee

At least he gets breakaways & 20+ goals is not easy or sneezed at.

Linden Vey puts up points with the sedins, so did kassian and Jensen, moral of the story Hansen doesnt belong in the top 6
- phyllee

Eriksson solves that.
Add Brouwer also & better yet.

I don't see why we should buy Burrows or Higgins out. We're clearly not built to compete for a cup, so why do we need every cent possible this year to sign FAs? Why not rip the bandaid off quick by playing out their contracts this year instead of extending the pain?
- NorthNuck

I agree, but see it a little differently. I think you want their cap space but only if you're gunna sign a gem in FA, not sure that's going to happen in Van this year.

If not, you've got a ton of 24 and unders this year. Here's what WD said about Burrows:

"He’s one of the best players I’ve ever coached,” said Willie Desjardins. “Just his attitude to the game. The thing you like about Alex is his respect for the game and what he feels. It’s always about finding ways to win and he’s always at optional skates helping the young guys."

That's a guy I want on my team if I'm in a transition year.

Higgins had a broken foot last year and it derailed him. Has he recovered? Worth it to find out for $2.5 mil.

Vey is nowhere near the offensive consistency and Hansen is miles better defensively than any of those players, so i fail to see the comparison
- NorthNuck

Vey will get prolly a 1yr show me contract.
He is worth one more chance IMO

I disagree, Hansen has been more volatile than Vrbata. He has .35, .48, .57, .28, .40, and .57 points per game since 2010-2011, Vrbata has done .61, .61, .81, .82, .64, .80, and .43 in the same span.

If you think Hansen will replicate a career year, you'll be sadly mistaken. He scored on an insane 18.8% of his shots, well above his career average of 11% (which includes this past season). You need to sell high on a guy who is closer to decline, coming off a career year, that will net your largest return. Smart teams make tough decisions, this one would be the first for the Canucks in a really long time IMO

EDIT: Filtered for a minimum 100 shots taken last season. Hansen in remarkable company on the list, plus a few others we wouldnt value that high... http://www.nhl.com/stats/...ilter=shots,gte,100&pos=S
- WhiteLie

Hansen at 1/2 the price & does more & more versatile.
Vrbata is older & twilght years now.

I don't see why we should buy Burrows or Higgins out. We're clearly not built to compete for a cup, so why do we need every cent possible this year to sign FAs? Why not rip the bandaid off quick by playing out their contracts this year instead of extending the pain?
- NorthNuck

I'm all for it, but I'm not a certain Italian family.

I agree, but see it a little differently. I think you want their cap space but only if you're gunna sign a gem in FA, not sure that's going to happen in Van this year.

If not, you've got a ton of 24 and unders this year. Here's what WD said about Burrows:



That's a guy I want on my team if I'm in a transition year.

Higgins had a broken foot last year and it derailed him. Has he recovered? Worth it to find out for $2.5 mil.
- Ronning4ever

Make him a coach in Utica and teach kids his legacy
Groom him like Green

Hansen at 1/2 the price & does more & more versatile.
Vrbata is older & twilght years now.
- Nighthawk

I'm not endorsing signing Vrbata, I am saying sell high on a good season from Hansen that he will be unlikely to replicate.

I am not saying acquiring any of these are plausible straight up, but if you could trade Hansen for young players like Nieto, Tom Wilson, Nichushkin, Namestnikov or some other youth from contenders like SJ, DAL, WASH, TB why not go for it? In a copycat league, Hansen can be the Rust/Hagelin/Sheary that teams will want to acquire, sell the need of him to those teams and poach a good young player is what I want

I agree, but see it a little differently. I think you want their cap space but only if you're gunna sign a gem in FA, not sure that's going to happen in Van this year.

If not, you've got a ton of 24 and unders this year. Here's what WD said about Burrows:



That's a guy I want on my team if I'm in a transition year.

Higgins had a broken foot last year and it derailed him. Has he recovered? Worth it to find out for $2.5 mil.
- Ronning4ever

except im no higgins fan so he can chill in utica for the year

The bottom line is this. Not trading a player like Hansen is why the team is in the position it is. Look at Chicago. They constantly move pieces when the value is high, bring in youth and compete. Vancouver management has been holding on to assets and then wait until they are untradable to unload. Hansens value will likely never be higher. If we keep him then we are saying we want to rebuild in 2 years when the Sedins likely retire, rather than get assets now that can grow and keep us competitive. Sure we need to high end talent to make it work. But we have 5OA, and some very talented youth.

Bottom line:

Trade Hansen while he has value, or continue to be a useless team for 10 years. I say this because, lets face it, if we won't do it with Hansen, we won't do it with anyone in the future.

The bottom line is this. Not trading a player like Hansen is why the team is in the position it is. Look at Chicago. They constantly move pieces when the value is high, bring in youth and compete. Vancouver management has been holding on to assets and then wait until they are untradable to unload. Hansens value will likely never be higher. If we keep him then we are saying we want to rebuild in 2 years when the Sedins likely retire, rather than get assets now that can grow and keep us competitive. Sure we need to high end talent to make it work. But we have 5OA, and some very talented youth.

Bottom line:

Trade Hansen while he has value, or continue to be a useless team for 10 years. I say this because, lets face it, if we won't do it with Hansen, we won't do it with anyone in the future.
- Retinalz

At the end of the day its up to JB so we will see how he sees the whole situation. I trust his judgement so far, but this year is a huge make/break for him

Cap & line projection time again......

Cap: 73m say
Roster atm: 10/7/2

Sign:
Eriksson 4/6m
Brouwer 3/4m
Sven 2/1.5m
Etem 1/min salary
Vey 1/min salary
Waive Burrows or BO or Utica hope picked up
Higgins in Utica but hoped picked up

Thats nip n tuck for the cap I think


Dank Hank Eriksson
Rodin Sutter Brouwer
Sven Bo Hansen
Gaunce Vey Dorsett
Etem Granlund

JV to Utica unless Brouwer not signed
Hansen Sutter Rodin
Sven Bo JV



Hansen is a TDL decision

Works for me other than Hansen is too good a value to trade & also very versatile.
Players like him r the glue all teams have or seek. Aka Hagelin
- Nighthawk

Higgins was a "glue" guy. Trade Hansen is the smart play. Keeping him is useful but stupid.

Cap & line projection time again......

Cap: 73m say
Roster atm: 10/7/2

Sign:
Eriksson 4/6m
Brouwer 3/4m
Sven 2/1.5m
Etem 1/min salary
Vey 1/min salary
Waive Burrows or BO or Utica hope picked up
Higgins in Utica but hoped picked up

Thats nip n tuck for the cap I think


Dank Hank Eriksson
Rodin Sutter Brouwer
Sven Bo Hansen
Gaunce Vey Dorsett
Etem Granlund

JV to Utica


Hansen is a TDL decision
- Nighthawk

Brouwer will probly be looking for more and in that case we should stay away

Higgins was a "glue" guy. Trade Hansen is the smart play. Keeping him is useful but stupid.
- Retinalz

Not maxing his value is stupid.
Offseason is not the best time unless apackage in a draft deal at best.
Only a 2nd rounder is not better than a Hansen. Waiting fetches more.

Brouwer will probly be looking for more and in that case we should stay away
- NorthNuck

Brouwer is only the cream if Eriksson signs & no probs if Brouwer is too expensive & signs elsewher. Back up 2nd UFA is Martin IMO.
Either Brouwer or Martin gives us depth & flexibility if Hansen gets moved.

Brouwer is only the cream if Eriksson signs & no lrobs if Brouwer is too expensive & signs elsewher. Back up 2nd UFA is Martin IMO.
Either Brouwer or Martin gives us depth & flexibility if Hansen gets moved.
- Nighthawk

I dunno how much depth. We still have nobody to slot in if one of them gets injured. Hansen solves that.
EDIT:But if we are out of the playoff picture by TDL which is expected then it would be fine to move him

The bottom line is this. Not trading a player like Hansen is why the team is in the position it is. Look at Chicago. They constantly move pieces when the value is high, bring in youth and compete. Vancouver management has been holding on to assets and then wait until they are untradable to unload. Hansens value will likely never be higher. If we keep him then we are saying we want to rebuild in 2 years when the Sedins likely retire, rather than get assets now that can grow and keep us competitive. Sure we need to high end talent to make it work. But we have 5OA, and some very talented youth.

Bottom line:

Trade Hansen while he has value, or continue to be a useless team for 10 years. I say this because, lets face it, if we won't do it with Hansen, we won't do it with anyone in the future.
- Retinalz

Not maxing his value is stupid.
Offseason is not the best time unless apackage in a draft deal at best.
Only a 2nd rounder is not better than a Hansen. Waiting fetches more.
- Nighthawk

This is when to trade. He plays next season and doesn't play as well then his value is shot

Not maxing his value is stupid.
Offseason is not the best time unless apackage in a draft deal at best.
Only a 2nd rounder is not better than a Hansen. Waiting fetches more.
- Nighthawk

I'm not sure waiting fetches more in Hansen's case. Sure prices are inflated around the TDL, but if Hansen shoots/produces at his usual rate, the price for a 15 goal guy that can move up and down the lineup isnt going to be a little less than now. Also the past few TDL's have been busts, most "insiders" have said that the draft has replaced it as the time to make moves. I think we wouldnt see much of a difference in return but that it would probably be safer to make the move now and gives more time for whatever asset Van acquires to develop or be used to help the team IMO