to me, it's more about avoiding a goalie controversy or some long-drawn out trade request scenario than the expansion draft.

I think rutherford is an experienced gm. he won't gillis this up trying to run with 2 goalies.
- Tumbleweed

also every story i've read on expansion rules indicates Fleury would be automatically protected and take up Murray's expansion slot. the only NMCs that are exempt from this are ones that are expiring contracts at time of the draft

also every story i've read on expansion rules indicates Fleury would be automatically protected and take up Murray's expansion slot. the only NMCs that are exempt from this are ones that are expiring contracts at time of the draft
- S Kaspar Rollins

fair. for that reason alone, the pens can wait until next year.

i think the pens are better served dealing with it this year to avoid a blow up.

I was just thinking if it's say a 2nd and wideman with salary retained its a better deal for Pitt which makes it more likely ...fleurys value is at a weird place that's hard to gauge
- Redmile247

sure. Wideman and Fleury have close enough cap hits so that makes sense. though i think it would make more sense for Pittsburgh to retain salary there since Fleury has 3 years remaining and Wideman 1.

would Carolina force them to take a bad contract too? only one i see that might match is Wisniewski; they have more than enough cap space to take all of fleury's contract

he won't be eligible for expansion draft, only has a year left on his deal

i suspect only way Flames trade their bad contracts is by packaging them with picks or trading them for cheaper players to buy out (for instance they could trade Stajan for Nystrom and buy Nystrom out for a $500K cap hit). another thing i find somewhat plausible is trading one of Smid/Wideman with the 36th overall for Cowen (can be bought out for $600K cap credit)
- S Kaspar Rollins

I don't consider smid and wideman in the same category as far as trade value ...smid doesn't have much where wides does still

fair. for that reason alone, the pens can wait until next year.

i think the pens are better served dealing with it this year to avoid a blow up.
- Tumbleweed

they CAN but fleury's trade value is going to be even less next year, there's no way to know which teams will be looking for a goalie and pittsburgh won't be in "we should probably trade fleury" mode, they'll officially be in "we HAVE to trade fleury" mode.

and yeah, that too, the two goalie situation where either guy is good enough to be a clear #1 is never a good idea

I don't consider smid and wideman in the same category as far as trade value ...smid doesn't have much where wides does still
- Redmile247

im pretty sure the flames were trying to trade wideman all through last year (and up until the middle of the season when he got suspended). if they couldnt do it then, coming off a career year, i doubt they'd get much now.

the current rumor is that boston is interested for some reason, i think the trade would end up a 3rd or late 2nd for boston's 5th or something like that. can't imagine them getting anything useful for him.

i agree that smid is done though, i think the only ways to get him off the cap are LTIR, buyout, retirement, or packaging a pick. i mean even if a team actually wanted him as a roster player i don't know that he'd pass a physical

im pretty sure the flames were trying to trade wideman all through last year (and up until the middle of the season when he got suspended). if they couldnt do it then, coming off a career year, i doubt they'd get much now.

the current rumor is that boston is interested for some reason, i think the trade would end up a 3rd or late 2nd for boston's 5th or something like that. can't imagine them getting anything useful for him.

i agree that smid is done though, i think the only ways to get him off the cap are LTIR, buyout, retirement, or packaging a pick. i mean even if a team actually wanted him as a roster player i don't know that he'd pass a physical
- S Kaspar Rollins

The thing is we don't know how much interest there was or how close they were to trading wideman ...it didn't happen but the suspension could have been the only reason

im pretty sure the flames were trying to trade wideman all through last year (and up until the middle of the season when he got suspended). if they couldnt do it then, coming off a career year, i doubt they'd get much now.

the current rumor is that boston is interested for some reason, i think the trade would end up a 3rd or late 2nd for boston's 5th or something like that. can't imagine them getting anything useful for him.

i agree that smid is done though, i think the only ways to get him off the cap are LTIR, buyout, retirement, or packaging a pick. i mean even if a team actually wanted him as a roster player i don't know that he'd pass a physical
- S Kaspar Rollins

Nobobdy knows why boston does what they do.

Not even boston.

sure. Wideman and Fleury have close enough cap hits so that makes sense. though i think it would make more sense for Pittsburgh to retain salary there since Fleury has 3 years remaining and Wideman 1.

would Carolina force them to take a bad contract too? only one i see that might match is Wisniewski; they have more than enough cap space to take all of fleury's contract
- S Kaspar Rollins

I think Pitt would be able to trade fleury to a team with no salary coming back so if your the flames you might have to retain a bit if you want MAF ...having a starting goalie who makes that much for the next 3 years isn't a problem IMO

The thing is we don't know how much interest there was or how close they were to trading wideman ...it didn't happen but the suspension could have been the only reason
- Redmile247

that was the rumor, that part of the reason the flames were so pissed about the suspension was that they were close to trading him. not sure how much i buy it but there you are

think i remember some vague rumors that he was asked to waive his NMC and refused last summer but i cant remember whether the source was credible for that one

I think Pitt would be able to trade fleury to a team with no salary coming back so if your the flames you might have to retain a bit if you want MAF ...having a starting goalie who makes that much for the next 3 years isn't a problem IMO
- Redmile247

maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part since even having them retain like $700K would be pretty helpful to the flames.

all i know is that MAF isn't coming to calgary without at least one salary dump by the flames, whether in the MAF trade or another one. and fwiw i think F. Andersen would be about $1M cheaper

I think Pitt would be able to trade fleury to a team with no salary coming back so if your the flames you might have to retain a bit if you want MAF ...having a starting goalie who makes that much for the next 3 years isn't a problem IMO
- Redmile247

From the leafs perspective, I think bernier would have to go back to pitts if a deal gets done.

Double salary retention might work. Something like Bernier $2M retained, 1 year and MAF 3 years retained, $700k.

Maybe something like that could work for you guys if you're looking to unload a contract.

From the leafs perspective, I think bernier would have to go back to pitts if a deal gets done.

Double salary retention might work. Something like Bernier $2M retained, 1 year and MAF 3 years retained, $700k.

Maybe something like that could work for you guys if you're looking to unload a contract.
- Tumbleweed

thing is Pittsburgh isn't in dire straights with the cap, they can keep a player equal to Fleury's salary for next year and still have basically the same team as this year. if the player is a 2017 UFA like bernier i don't think leafs would have to retain anything.

thing is Pittsburgh isn't in dire straights with the cap, they can keep a player equal to Fleury's salary for next year and still have basically the same team as this year. if the player is a 2017 UFA like bernier i don't think leafs would have to retain anything.
- S Kaspar Rollins

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Both GF and Capfriendly have them at +$73M with players to sign.

not sure if i'm missing something.... but seems like every dollar will help them next year.

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Both GF and Capfriendly have them at +$73M with players to sign.

not sure if i'm missing something.... but seems like every dollar will help them next year.
- Tumbleweed

because they still have Dupuis on the cap, put him on full LTIR and they gain $3.75M. none of their pending FAs are that important

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Both GF and Capfriendly have them at +$73M with players to sign.

not sure if i'm missing something.... but seems like every dollar will help them next year.
- Tumbleweed

That includes Dupuis and his money, I think hey can LTIR him since he hasn't officially filed his retirement papers, if they LTIR, they have 2.8m in cap space with 21 players signed. Jultz and Bennet are the 2 RFAs they would have to do some cap management to make room for their QOs

you mean a conditional TURD lol amiright?
- Not_Yan

They won't include Marchand.....

malkin may or may not be moved


Crazy

Congrats to the Pens.

That includes Dupuis and his money, I think hey can LTIR him since he hasn't officially filed his retirement papers, if they LTIR, they have 2.8m in cap space with 21 players signed. Jultz and Bennet are the 2 RFAs they would have to do some cap management to make room for their QOs
- DDM-Coga

I'd be shocked if they resigned Bennett

They'll likely trade his rights for a 4th/5th

Way Way better young wingers that are more durable than Bennett

Spring/Wilson/Sundqvist to name 3

thing is Pittsburgh isn't in dire straights with the cap, they can keep a player equal to Fleury's salary for next year and still have basically the same team as this year. if the player is a 2017 UFA like bernier i don't think leafs would have to retain anything.
- S Kaspar Rollins

If we make no moves and let everyone whos an impending FA walk (Lovejoy, Cullen, Bennett, Schultz) and don't trade anyone we'll have 13 forwards and 6 d with about 1 mil in cap space. We're not going to retain salary, but we'll definitely take back a contract.

Anyways, if you're looking to both acquire Fleury and trade Wideman, Would you do Bennett and Wideman for Fleury and a pick? Bennett is obviously an amazing asset, but you'd be killing two pretty important birds with one stone.

If we make no moves and let everyone whos an impending FA walk (Lovejoy, Cullen, Bennett, Schultz) and don't trade anyone we'll have 13 forwards and 6 d with about 1 mil in cap space. We're not going to retain salary, but we'll definitely take back a contract.

Anyways, if you're looking to both acquire Fleury and trade Wideman, Would you do Bennett and Wideman for Fleury and a pick? Bennett is obviously an amazing asset, but you'd be killing two pretty important birds with one stone.
- Victoro311

absolutely not, Bennett is still close to untouchable

only way i could see that happening would be if every other goalie was somehow unavailable AND flames couldn't move any other salary. even then i'd hate it

absolutely not, Bennett is still close to untouchable

only way i could see that happening would be if every other goalie was somehow unavailable AND flames couldn't move any other salary. even then i'd hate it
- S Kaspar Rollins

Fair. MAF can probably be had for a 2nd + if you're not asking for salary retention or want to send too much cap back.

Fair. MAF can probably be had for a 2nd + if you're not asking for salary retention or want to send too much cap back.
- Victoro311

like i said, most realistic/fair Flames deal is probably 36th overall and one of Wideman, Bouma, Engelland or Stajan (Engelland would be easiest to do since he only has a year left at 2.9) for fleury. maybe throw in another pick.

If Pens arent willing to do salary retention I think the Flames will see if they can get a goalie for a bit cheaper than Fleury. Burke has said they're looking to trade for a goalie with their 2nds; to me that can only mean either Andersen or Fleury

like i said, most realistic/fair Flames deal is probably 36th overall and one of Wideman, Bouma, Engelland or Stajan (Engelland would be easiest to do since he only has a year left at 2.9) for fleury. maybe throw in another pick.

If Pens arent willing to do salary retention I think the Flames will see if they can get a goalie for a bit cheaper than Fleury. Burke has said they're looking to trade for a goalie with their 2nds; to me that can only mean either Andersen or Fleury
- S Kaspar Rollins

A Fleury trade revolving around Engelland and the 36th would be about right. No way in hell we'd take back Wideman unless you give us something much more worth while than the 36th. Stajan or Bouma would also be acceptable as we can just expose them after next year for expansion.