Why would he want to stay?
- The-O-G

I meant go to those teams. He likely won't waive to all of them.

Fleury value will come down to the official expansion rules. Until they clarify on nmc you really can't make a decision. If the pens are able to expose fleury in the draft then they will not have pressure to trade him this offseason. Worst case you lose fleury in the expansion draft. Since it seems people think the pens will get a late 1st at best that's not a terrible asset to lose. Everyone will lose something of value.

Pens can't risks being in the finals again next year and having 2 weeks before an expansion draft to trade fleury.

I assume most teams are expecting to lose a significant asset so I don't see a big problem exposing fleury is his trade value is early 2nd and b prospect. But need to see the finalized rules before you make that call as the league hasn't clarified if it's full nmc that need protected or partial.

Win a cup. Get paid by doing nothing
- DeflatedPucks

I'd be willing to bet fleury would rather be dealt and play than sit on his ass in Pitt ... Guys a pro athlete ...they all want to play

I meant go to those teams. He likely won't waive to all of them.
- Steven_Dean

No. He'll want to go where he'll be the #1 guy, at least for the foreseeable future. I doubt IF the Pens can make a deal they trade to an Eastern team...

Fwiw not even worth debating trading malkin. He's not on the mkt. I think some trolls have tried to stir up a trade malkin movement on the pens blog but it's simply not happening. Cup winning teams without major cap problems are not trading a 1c

Fleury value will come down to the official expansion rules. Until they clarify on nmc you really can't make a decision. If the pens are able to expose fleury in the draft then they will not have pressure to trade him this offseason. Worst case you lose fleury in the expansion draft. Since it seems people think the pens will get a late 1st at best that's not a terrible asset to lose. Everyone will lose something of value.

Pens can't risks being in the finals again next year and having 2 weeks before an expansion draft to trade fleury.

I assume most teams are expecting to lose a significant asset so I don't see a big problem exposing fleury is his trade value is early 2nd and b prospect. But need to see the finalized rules before you make that call as the league hasn't clarified if it's full nmc that need protected or partial.
- sditulli

From every indication it comes down to protect MAF or Murray...Fluery would be exposed...

I'd be willing to bet fleury would rather be dealt and play than sit on his ass in Pitt ... Guys a pro athlete ...they all want to play
- Redmile247

Calgary and buffalo look like best bets to me. Toronto is probably a year away from trying to win. Buffalo would work if they didn't go for lehner last year which seems to be a mistake.

I'd be willing to bet fleury would rather be dealt and play than sit on his ass in Pitt ... Guys a pro athlete ...they all want to play
- Redmile247

Agreed. Guys that make it to this level are generally uber competitive.

Can’t imagine he’ll be happy getting paid to sit.

From every indication it comes down to protect MAF or Murray...Fluery would be exposed...
- geta02it

Yes that my point. Pens can fit fleury in the cap this year. But the Penguins do not know yet whether expansion rules will force them to protect fleury.

Calgary and buffalo look like best bets to me. Toronto is probably a year away from trying to win. Buffalo would work if they didn't go for lehner last year which seems to be a mistake.
- sditulli

See above...he won't be traded to an Eastern team.

I will buy in to the MAF to CGY.

TO CGY: Fleury
TO PIT: Brodie

Fair?
- Rinosaur

fleury for bouma and a 2nd ...booms is a great shot blocker

fleury for bouma and a 2nd ...booms is a great shot blocker
- Redmile247

Throw in Raymond... just because (some salary retained)

fleury for bouma and a 2nd ...booms is a great shot blocker
- Redmile247

actually a realistic return. Any Fleury trade would have to include a Flames salary dump (Engelland, Bouma, Stajan or Wideman) and/or the Pens retaining salary

Calgary and buffalo look like best bets to me. Toronto is probably a year away from trying to win. Buffalo would work if they didn't go for lehner last year which seems to be a mistake.
- sditulli

I wouldn't even put Buffalo into the convo ...Lehner was hurt last year and still put up decent numbers on a bad team ...buff traded agitated rounder for the guy they aren't going to move on after just one year

actually a realistic return. Any Fleury trade would have to include a Flames salary dump (Engelland, Bouma, Stajan or Wideman) and/or the Pens retaining salary
- S Kaspar Rollins

If its a week before the expansion draft, I could see that but not this year. Otherwise its straight pick(s)/ or player/pick.

Agreed. Guys that make it to this level are generally uber competitive.

Can’t imagine he’ll be happy getting paid to sit.
- Tumbleweed

I think if anything watching the pens hoist the cup sitting on the bench might fuel him to be even better next year ...whoever gets him could end up with a very motivated goalie

actually a realistic return. Any Fleury trade would have to include a Flames salary dump (Engelland, Bouma, Stajan or Wideman) and/or the Pens retaining salary
- S Kaspar Rollins

I was half joking ...if the flames only have to give up a second rounder and roster player like on of the ones mentioned I think cgy would have to retain some salary

If its a week before the expansion draft, I could see that but not this year. Otherwise its straight pick(s)/ or player/pick.
- geta02it

if CGY is the only team left that they won't have to take on another goalie deal to make the trade they might have to.

though you're right, there is no immediate pressure on pittsburgh to trade fleury, though it's hard to say who's gonna be interested in him a year from now.

Throw in Raymond... just because (some salary retained)
- geta02it

Pens love speedy players

In all seriousness no one wants Raymond ...he will probably be passed over in the expansion draft as well

I was half joking ...if the flames only have to give up a second rounder and roster player like on of the ones mentioned I think cgy would have to retain some salary
- Redmile247

not necessarily; as i've said it would depend on how interested carolina/toronto were. I played around with pittsburgh's cap, they don't have any important free agents to re-sign, once Dupuis is taken off the cap they can ice basically the exact same team as this year

if CGY is the only team left that they won't have to take on another goalie deal to make the trade they might have to.

though you're right, there is no immediate pressure on pittsburgh to trade fleury, though it's hard to say who's gonna be interested in him a year from now.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Its all about timing now...

Pens love speedy players

In all seriousness no one wants Raymond ...he will probably be passed over in the expansion draft as well
- Redmile247

he won't be eligible for expansion draft, only has a year left on his deal

i suspect only way Flames trade their bad contracts is by packaging them with picks or trading them for cheaper players to buy out (for instance they could trade Stajan for Nystrom and buy Nystrom out for a $500K cap hit). another thing i find somewhat plausible is trading one of Smid/Wideman with the 36th overall for Cowen (can be bought out for $600K cap credit)

Its all about timing now...
- geta02it

like i say, i think it would be most prudent for Pittsburgh to do it at the draft, before teams can talk to Reimer or potentially negotiate an extension with Bishop (if Bishop's on the market). think Anaheim will probably trade Andersen at the draft too

Yes that my point. Pens can fit fleury in the cap this year. But the Penguins do not know yet whether expansion rules will force them to protect fleury.
- sditulli

to me, it's more about avoiding a goalie controversy or some long-drawn out trade request scenario than the expansion draft.

I think rutherford is an experienced gm. he won't gillis this up trying to run with 2 goalies.

not necessarily; as i've said it would depend on how interested carolina/toronto were. I played around with pittsburgh's cap, they don't have any important free agents to re-sign, once Dupuis is taken off the cap they can ice basically the exact same team as this year
- S Kaspar Rollins

I was just thinking if it's say a 2nd and wideman with salary retained its a better deal for Pitt which makes it more likely ...fleurys value is at a weird place that's hard to gauge