It's funny that the Staal trade, which no doubt hurt their Cup chances in previous years, ended up eventually netting them key components to win this one in Bonino and Dumoulin. Whatever you think about the value(s) in a vacuum, and I remain skeptical of the net return, it worked.
- Mononoke

That's the kind of forward thinking you need at times.

TBF, he was kind of forced to do something. He faced losing Staal for nothing if he hit UFA.

They will need to start keeping an eye on the future from here on out, to avoid being a one and done team.

Who knows, maybe they deal a big name and load up on great prospects.
- Jsaquella

honestly, i am pretty happy about where they go from here. i think the next 2 or 3 years can be wide open.

this window will close eventually. and when it does, i see fairly rough sailing ahead. but i think they have at least 3 very good years left. to where i dont look to move malkin right now

That's the kind of forward thinking you need at times.

TBF, he was kind of forced to do something. He faced losing Staal for nothing if he hit UFA.
- Jsaquella

Trading Staal wasn't bad. It was prescient. I just think the net return ended up being less than impressive. While it remains to be seen what Pouliot is, he hasn't been a world beater so far, and they passed on Trouba and Forsberg right before they got taken, Sutter was a pretty uninspiring piece valued higher than he was probably b/c of his last name...then he got traded for Bonino, who while having a monster postseason, hasn't exactly been a stud over his career.

Staal was coming off a monster year. His value was probably as high as Jeff Carter when we traded him. We ended up with Couturier + Jake as our centerpieces. That's all I'm saying. It was an underwhelming return that ended up working in spite of it.

honestly, i am pretty happy about where they go from here. i think the next 2 or 3 years can be wide open.

this window will close eventually. and when it does, i see fairly rough sailing ahead. but i think they have at least 3 very good years left. to where i dont look to move malkin right now
- stayinthefnnet

Expansion could be a female dog for you guys and your "depth." 1 d man has got to go. Maata, Pouliot? Then you could lose Rust or Sheary or Bennett, right?

honestly, i am pretty happy about where they go from here. i think the next 2 or 3 years can be wide open.

this window will close eventually. and when it does, i see fairly rough sailing ahead. but i think they have at least 3 very good years left. to where i dont look to move malkin right now
- stayinthefnnet

I wouldn't either, unless the return was ungodly good.

If they can get some value for MAF, that will be a good start. It sucks that he'll end up being swapped because of goofy ass expansion rules, but the same happened to other guys in the past.

Trading Staal wasn't bad. It was prescient. I just think the net return ended up being less than impressive. While it remains to be seen what Pouliot is, he hasn't been a world beater so far, and they passed on Trouba and Forsberg right before they got taken, Sutter was a pretty uninspiring piece valued higher than he was probably b/c of his last name...then he got traded for Bonino, who while having a monster postseason, hasn't exactly been a stud over his career.

Staal was coming off a monster year. His value was probably as high as Jeff Carter when we traded him. We ended up with Couturier + Jake as our centerpieces. That's all I'm saying. It was an underwhelming return that ended up working in spite of it.
- Mononoke

True, but if they didn't face a cap crunch and Staal's pending UFA, they may not have dealt him. Hit a home run for sure, but it wasn't something they did with a smile and wink

I wouldn't either, unless the return was ungodly good.

If they can get some value for MAF, that will be a good start. It sucks that he'll end up being swapped because of goofy ass expansion rules, but the same happened to other guys in the past.
- Jsaquella

i honestly dont see the return for MAF being that high. i just see too many factors working against it. id love a haul, but taking off the homer glasses i cant see it

Trading Staal wasn't bad. It was prescient. I just think the net return ended up being less than impressive. While it remains to be seen what Pouliot is, he hasn't been a world beater so far, and they passed on Trouba and Forsberg right before they got taken, Sutter was a pretty uninspiring piece valued higher than he was probably b/c of his last name...then he got traded for Bonino, who while having a monster postseason, hasn't exactly been a stud over his career.

Staal was coming off a monster year. His value was probably as high as Jeff Carter when we traded him. We ended up with Couturier + Jake as our centerpieces. That's all I'm saying. It was an underwhelming return that ended up working in spite of it.
- Mononoke

the haul you guys got for carter was unreal though. even at the time i was pretty blown away.

the trade itself wasnt bad i thought, as far as value received. he got a top 10 pick (pouiot in hindisght may be an eh pick, but for the trade, he still got a top 10 pick) sutter, who i agree with your assessment, but was still a youngish, 20ish goal guy ready to somewhat replace him, and dumo, who was a b/b plus prospect. all while having absolutely no leverage to speak of.

Expansion could be a female dog for you guys and your "depth." 1 d man has got to go. Maata, Pouliot? Then you could lose Rust or Sheary or Bennett, right?
- Mononoke

well, for whats immediately on the horizon, cant a team only lose one player? theyll lose someone decent, but not earth shatteringly irreplaceable.

bennett has no value whatsoever. pouliot is intriguing, but who knows about him.

the pens definitely will need some answers, but all in all, it could be a lot worse of an outlook for next year.

Well, I'm also against companies trying to monopolize products. For instance: if company A can offer a superior product, but company B can offer a product that integrates with one of their other products, people with that other product will/may buy from company B simply because "it works with this other thing."

It's not a bad thing, and it's smart of the company. And if you do your due diligence and find that advantages of buying a lower-quality product is still better due to the integration factor, then great. But several people that I know (not a lot, but some) will buy iWhatever's because, "It's Apple, it's better," and need that brand-new iPhone 75 or whatever they're up to the day it comes out. I also know a few who bought iPads, even when they didn't have a reason to buy one, because, "It's Apple, it's got to be good."
- jmatchett383

I've been a long time user of both PC and Apple products. Apples components are designed for their products only, almost entirely in-house whereas PC's components are almost all third party components.

I don't necessarily buy apple because its apple, but the products are just built in a different manner than most other companies simply because they can afford to. in terms of audio recording and editing, apple hasn't let me down but PC has been a different story. it basically all depends on how productive you can be with any given platform. i've wasted so much time troubleshooting for windows when I could have been actually getting work done. apple wins simply because I can get more done.

and i've owned a windows phone. went right back to iPhone.

i honestly dont see the return for MAF being that high. i just see too many factors working against it. id love a haul, but taking off the homer glasses i cant see it
- stayinthefnnet

Even if they can get a couple 2nd rounders...the guy is a very good goalie and there's a few teams with a need. His deal isn't bad, as long as he stays healthy

General Fanager ‏@generalfanager 13m13 minutes ago
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#Flyers Christian Marti has signed a 3-yr deal in Switzerland according to ZSC Lions. Has one year left on NHL deal.

Apparently he had an out clause if he wasn't in the NHL by December, so off he goes.

Trading Staal wasn't bad. It was prescient. I just think the net return ended up being less than impressive. While it remains to be seen what Pouliot is, he hasn't been a world beater so far, and they passed on Trouba and Forsberg right before they got taken, Sutter was a pretty uninspiring piece valued higher than he was probably b/c of his last name...then he got traded for Bonino, who while having a monster postseason, hasn't exactly been a stud over his career.

Staal was coming off a monster year. His value was probably as high as Jeff Carter when we traded him. We ended up with Couturier + Jake as our centerpieces. That's all I'm saying. It was an underwhelming return that ended up working in spite of it.
- Mononoke

I felt like Carolina did well in the trade. I think the Carter trade you mentioned is what happens when you have other teams in the mix. Like you said Carolina bid against themselves

Read and AMac....Read and AMac. Please.

Of course Vegas will probably just screw us over and take Read and Cousins/Laughton. One of Cuz/Laughton has to get exposed. It's a very possible scenario.
- Mononoke

1st...why do you say they will take Read and Laughton...I dont see the scenario where Laughton has to be exposed. Who are you assuming they protect?

Right now I see Gudas as the most attractive option in an expansion scenario

2nd...why you hef to have all these expansion talks after dark? you know this is my bread and butter

General Fanager ‏@generalfanager 13m13 minutes ago
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#Flyers Christian Marti has signed a 3-yr deal in Switzerland according to ZSC Lions. Has one year left on NHL deal.
- PhillySportsGuy

#shouldofkept

1st...why do you say they will take Read and Laughton...I dont see the scenario where Laughton has to be exposed. Who are you assuming they protect?

Right now I see Gudas as the most attractive option in an expansion scenario

2nd...why you hef to have all these expansion talks after dark? you know this is my bread and butter
- YuenglingJagr

I dont get why people are talking about it anyway. That wouldnt happen until next offseason.

A lot of time between now and then. Players will be drafted, signed, traded, retire, croak, get busted in drug raids, fake injuries so they cant be traded (JVR, Briere, any other Flyer), quit, defect to the Grreat-ist OIce Hohhcckey League in da Vurld (KHL), deiced to go into another business (IE: Fashion- see; Avery, Sean), and or have such a stark difference in skills and pay grade that not a single team would touch them...

So lets hold off on all that until the time is right.

I dont get why people are talking about it anyway. That wouldnt happen until next offseason.

A lot of time between now and then. Players will be drafted, signed, traded, retire, croak, get busted in drug raids, fake injuries so they cant be traded (JVR, Briere, any other Flyer), quit, defect to the Grreat-ist OIce Hohhcckey League in da Vurld (KHL), deiced to go into another business (IE: Fashion- see; Avery, Sean), and or have such a stark difference in skills and pay grade that not a single team would touch them...

So lets hold off on all that until the time is right.
- jak521

Except that teams need to be ready for it now. Players with NMCs must be protected, so if a team plans on keeping someone else (i.e. several goalies) then trades must be made now.

The names of the players that will be kept could change, but for the Flyers they wont by much. They also need to set themselves up to make sure a player they really want to keep doesnt get picked.

General Fanager ‏@generalfanager 13m13 minutes ago
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#Flyers Christian Marti has signed a 3-yr deal in Switzerland according to ZSC Lions. Has one year left on NHL deal.
- PhillySportsGuy

Pretty sure none of the Flyers brass are losing much sleep over this one.

1st...why do you say they will take Read and Laughton...I dont see the scenario where Laughton has to be exposed. Who are you assuming they protect?

Right now I see Gudas as the most attractive option in an expansion scenario

2nd...why you hef to have all these expansion talks after dark? you know this is my bread and butter
- YuenglingJagr

Kind of silly worrying about an expansion draft that's a year away. Pretty sure, the Flyers roster will look a bit different by then.

Kind of silly worrying about an expansion draft that's a year away. Pretty sure, the Flyers roster will look a bit different by then.
- BiggE

edit: leight

Pretty sure none of the Flyers brass are losing much sleep over this one.
- BiggE

Nonsense. A certain unnamed poster who shares the name with a former Flyers 6th rounder told me before last season that this guy was a legit prospect.

Except that teams need to be ready for it now. Players with NMCs must be protected, so if a team plans on keeping someone else (i.e. several goalies) then trades must be made now.

The names of the players that will be kept could change, but for the Flyers they wont by much. They also need to set themselves up to make sure a player they really want to keep doesnt get picked.
- YuenglingJagr

My guess is quite a few moves will be made before next spring. The only guy who is pretty much impossible to move is AMac and we can only hope that an expansion team with an eye on reaching the cap floor will bite.

If not, by the end of next season, he'll only have three years and perhaps at that point they can try retaining some salary to move him.

Nonsense. A certain unnamed poster who shares the name with a former Flyers 6th rounder told me before last season that this guy was a legit prospect.
- jmatchett383

Well he did do an adequate job as a 3rd pair guy in the AHL so.....

Except that teams need to be ready for it now. Players with NMCs must be protected, so if a team plans on keeping someone else (i.e. several goalies) then trades must be made now.

The names of the players that will be kept could change, but for the Flyers they wont by much. They also need to set themselves up to make sure a player they really want to keep doesnt get picked.
- YuenglingJagr

^ Hexy probably already started accounting for it in his long-term projections the minute he took office.