They couldn't find a worse song? My God that was painful.. highlights and the Players mic up was very cool.

"want some of my hair?"
"Want some of my skill?"
- niteislander

That was great

Yeah not the worst offer but losing Pulock would hurt. Nobody else in the system like that.
- Vukota

That's the only problem for me. It's just filling one hole and creating another.

Wayyyy too much for Hall. Would want their 2nd pick back and maybe a prospect too.
- jmo16

Really? You think so? I disagree. Its not often that a first overall pick like Hall becomes avail. Not withstanding the fact that he's a young top tier winger who could FINALLY fit the need for JT. I do not think what I proposed is that off base. You gotta give to get.

Are you talking about using up a buyout on someone like Grabo not really being worthy of it? I was just throwing something out there in response to your salary swap not being equal. There are plenty of things the isles could do.
- kindlyrick

No I think Grabovski is our most prime candidate for a buyout and I agree with you that it would be a good idea.

But there are ramifications down the line. The back-half of the buyout becomes a negative impact on the cap, as there are no longer any savings. It's dead-money on the cap during the period when we have to make our most crucial UFA signing in a long, long time.

That's all I'm saying. A buyout isn't just a simple tool to rid ourselves of a bad contract with no consequences.

Yeah not the worst offer but losing Pulock would hurt. Nobody else in the system like that.
- Vukota

Would be really tough losing Pulock and especially if Boychuk is starting to slow down.

No I think Grabovski is our most prime candidate for a buyout and I agree with you that it would be a good idea.

But there are ramifications down the line. The back-half of the buyout becomes a negative impact on the cap, as there are no longer any savings. It's dead-money on the cap during the period when we have to make our most crucial UFA signing in a long, long time.

That's all I'm saying. A buyout isn't just a simple tool to rid ourselves of a bad contract with no consequences.
- eichiefs9

Would be really tough losing Pulock and especially if Boychuk is starting to slow down.
- ses111

Yeah they just don't have anybody like that in the system but if they could get Hall for that then I would have to do it

No I think Grabovski is our most prime candidate for a buyout and I agree with you that it would be a good idea.

But there are ramifications down the line. The back-half of the buyout becomes a negative impact on the cap, as there are no longer any savings. It's dead-money on the cap during the period when we have to make our most crucial UFA signing in a long, long time.

That's all I'm saying. A buyout isn't just a simple tool to rid ourselves of a bad contract with no consequences.
- eichiefs9

I hear what you're saying, but the reality is noone knows what the cap will be, and quite frankly the time to make moves is now. At some point (which i believe is now) you must do whatever you can to appease your star player. How many years is JT gonna be patient? The fact is, in order to compliment him you need to free up some space as you suggested. Grabovski and Bailey total what, roughly 8 million? To me, its a no brainer. The back half being a negative impact on the cap is splitting hairs. Theres always moves to be made. Im not concerned with his buyout cost which would be what, 1.8 shmill?

Would be really tough losing Pulock and especially if Boychuk is starting to slow down.
- ses111

I dont see the isles trading Pulock, or Nelson for that matter.

I dont see the isles trading Pulock, or Nelson for that matter.
- kindlyrick

I have no issue trading Nelson. Pulock would be tougher to move.

I have no issue trading Nelson. Pulock would be tougher to move.
- ses111

As long as they are getting something of equal value back. He has some things to work on but he is still a solid young player

Goal for you, goal for them, goal for you, goal for them, goal...
- Wildschwein

I hear what you're saying, but the reality is noone knows what the cap will be, and quite frankly the time to make moves is now. At some point (which i believe is now) you must do whatever you can to appease your star player. How many years is JT gonna be patient? The fact is, in order to compliment him you need to free up some space as you suggested. Grabovski and Bailey total what, roughly 8 million? To me, its a no brainer. The back half being a negative impact on the cap is splitting hairs. Theres always moves to be made. Im not concerned with his buyout cost which would be what, 1.8 shmill?
- kindlyrick

It's true, where the cap will be is relatively unknown and it's likely trending upward. Like I said, I'm in agreement that it would be beneficial to buy him out, but that's a lot of money to pay a guy to not play hockey. You and I may not give a damn about that, but ownership most certainly will.

Grabovski and Bailey's cap hits total $8.3M and Grabovski's buyout cap hit would be as follows:

Year 1: $1,833,333
Year 2: $833,333
Year 3: $1,833,333
Year 4: $1,833,333

That's the only problem for me. It's just filling one hole and creating another.
- eichiefs9

I understand that Pulock has a ton of promise, but seriously Hall with JT!!! You would be nuts not to do that, you could fill the other hole with a UFA or trade one of your 2000 young forwards now that you would have Hall.

I have no issue trading Nelson. Pulock would be tougher to move.
- ses111

I think if you can keep Brock Nelson you do it. He's going to become a really solid player. Yes he's inconsistent but he almost hit the 30 goal mark. Thats 30 goals you'd need to make up elsewhere.

I understand that Pulock has a ton of promise, but seriously Hall with JT!!! You would be nuts not to do that, you could fill the other whole with a UFA or trade one of your 2000 young forwards now that you would have Hall.
- mdw7413

You're not just giving up Pulock you're also giving up 2 first rounders in Strome & this years pick. That's 3 1st rd picks for Hall. It's a lot but I would probably do it now for JT but that could come back to bite us big time if they all develop like they should

I understand that Pulock has a ton of promise, but seriously Hall with JT!!! You would be nuts not to do that, you could fill the other hole with a UFA or trade one of your 2000 young forwards now that you would have Hall.
- mdw7413

Yeah I never said I wouldn't do it, it would just be a tough call. And it's true, you would be creating one hole to fill another. Doesn't mean it's impossible to remedy it, but then all the sudden you're adding $6M in Hall's salary AND adding a UFA defenseman for probably between $4M and $6M, depending on who you sign.

You're not just giving up Pulock you're also giving up 2 first rounders in Strome & this years pick. That's 3 1st rd picks for Hall. It's a lot but I would probably do it now for JT but that could come back to bite us big time if they all develop like they should
- Vukota

Strome was involved in that offer?? Didn't see that.

Would still probably do it.

I understand that Pulock has a ton of promise, but seriously Hall with JT!!! You would be nuts not to do that, you could fill the other hole with a UFA or trade one of your 2000 young forwards now that you would have Hall.
- mdw7413

As much as I love Hall as an Oiler watching him rip the East a new bumhole with JT would be, well... I have no words to describe it.
Guys deserves it after the poop he has had to put up with.

It's true, where the cap will be is relatively unknown and it's likely trending upward. Like I said, I'm in agreement that it would be beneficial to buy him out, but that's a lot of money to pay a guy to not play hockey. You and I may not give a damn about that, but ownership most certainly will.

Grabovski and Bailey's cap hits total $8.3M and Grabovski's buyout cap hit would be as follows:

Year 1: $1,833,333
Year 2: $833,333
Year 3: $1,833,333
Year 4: $1,833,333
- eichiefs9

I am somewhat understand your cost consciousness. But, the time to make a play like this is now. Its not overly risky. Some risk is ok, some risk is needed to be successful. Successful teams, or success in general comes with some risk. Im willing to take that risk, and if the owners are serious they should too. Besides, theres always a way to clear space.

You're not just giving up Pulock you're also giving up 2 first rounders in Strome & this years pick. That's 3 1st rd picks for Hall. It's a lot but I would probably do it now for JT but that could come back to bite us big time if they all develop like they should
- Vukota

Strome? I never asked for Strome.

Yeah I never said I wouldn't do it, it would just be a tough call. And it's true, you would be creating one hole to fill another. Doesn't mean it's impossible to remedy it, but then all the sudden you're adding $6M in Hall's salary AND adding a UFA defenseman for probably between $4M and $6M, depending on who you sign.
- eichiefs9

But you get rid of Bailey and his abortion of a contract. That's a plus.

Strome was involved in that offer?? Didn't see that.

Would still probably do it.
- mdw7413

I probably would too, but like I said in a few years we might be like what the fack did we just do?

But you get rid of Bailey and his abortion of a contract. That's a plus.
- Wildschwein

No argument there

Strome? I never asked for Strome.
- Wildschwein

That's right you said Nelson, which means I'm out. Would probably do it with Strome but not Nelson. Kid scored 26 goals last year.