That's a 2.1 mil increase of what he makes now. Daley, Kunitz, Scuderi will all be off the books. That's ~8.3 mil in cap relief. We'll have Dumo and Murray who will have to re up for sure. If Fleury is traded that's even more savings depending on what we take back. I don't think you make Bonino walk unless there is an obvious in house replacement. If he wants more than 4 mil per, then yeah let him walk.
- tpcg402

I just don't know. We have to wait to see what Dumoulin and Murray get this offseason to get a better idea. We also need to see if we do anything with Schultz and if DP ends up being worth keeping. Then a couple of our younger guys will be up for extension soon after as well. You gotta remember that these cap hits aren't simply disappearing, for the most part they're getting replaced. And even if Bonino at 4 mil per fits under the cap in 2017-2018, you gotta keep in mind if he'll continue to fit under the cap moving forward for the rest of his term.

I just don't know. We have to wait to see what Dumoulin and Murray get this offseason to get a better idea. We also need to see if we do anything with Schultz and if DP ends up being worth keeping. Then a couple of our younger guys will be up for extension soon after as well. You gotta remember that these cap hits aren't simply disappearing, for the most part they're getting replaced. And even if Bonino at 4 mil per fits under the cap in 2017-2018, you gotta keep in mind if he'll continue to fit under the cap moving forward for the rest of his term.
- Victoro311

No doubt. I'd rather pay the known quantity for a fair deal than worry about what guys like DP or Rust might make in two years. Unless they absolutely blow up they won't need significant raises. My point being is 4mil AAV for a top 6 or in Pens case top 9 C is well worth 4mil AAV. Also wouldn't cap raise with another franchise in the fold?

I wonder what happens with teams like CBJ who gave everyone on their team a NMC

I wonder what happens with teams like CBJ who gave everyone on their team a NMC
- stackthepads

It'd be great to see them lose Boone Jenner.

Is there any way we can use Sprongs 9 games at the end of the season, then use him for the playoffs and not accrue a year of "Pro Hockey"

Thats the way I'd roll with it next year, will keep him from being protected/exposed and we still benefit in playoff time

I wonder what happens with teams like CBJ who gave everyone on their team a NMC
- stackthepads

I still want to know, If, at the end of this year we give Murray an extension (2 year, whatever) and give him a Full No Move clause, How does that affect the expansion draft

I'm amazed the NHL doesn't have a protect 2 goalie option with a lower number of skaters protected to eliminate teams from using this option

I still want to know, If, at the end of this year we give Murray an extension (2 year, whatever) and give him a Full No Move clause, How does that affect the expansion draft

I'm amazed the NHL doesn't have a protect 2 goalie option with a lower number of skaters protected to eliminate teams from using this option
- TheGame316

Can't give him that clause until his RFA years run out

first! suck it

- martox

Honestly we have a lot to gain from keeping fleury. I think a stagnant cap makes this essentially impossible but I just don't see a better goalie entering the expansion draft the Flower. The closest think is probably gonna be a guy like Halak. The best case scenario for us is to figure out a way to work around the cap so that we keep Fleury this year and then figure out some trade with Vegas next season that would send Flower to Vegas and allow us to keep Murray it Murray doesn't regress. But I think that's putting a lot of pressure on our GM to make a very specific move and I don't think the cap's gonna let us do that anyways.
- Victoro311

Puck Daddy had an article that allows teams to negotiate a waiver to the NMC for expansion. If the Pens can convince Fluery to waive his NMC for expansion that would solve the goalie situation. I see two options at goaltender better than Fluery, Tampa Bay (Bishop & Vasilevski) and Anaheim (Andersen & Gibson). All four goalies are younger and would be a better choice, not necessarily better players just better options.

Puck Daddy had an article that allows teams to negotiate a waiver to the NMC for expansion. If the Pens can convince Fluery to waive his NMC for expansion that would solve the goalie situation. I see two options at goaltender better than Fluery, Tampa Bay (Bishop & Vasilevski) and Anaheim (Andersen & Gibson). All four goalies are younger and would be a better choice, not necessarily better players just better options.
- Thunderbolt

It's about finding a way to protect Murray, not finding a way not to lose Fleury

I'd give away Fleury today for nothing (ie: he gets chosen by Las Vegas) if it means we could keep Pouliot/Sprong/Bonino/Rust/Sheary/Wilson/Sundqvist and any of the other guys that would otherwise be poached

It's about finding a way to protect Murray, not finding a way not to lose Fleury

I'd give away Fleury today for nothing (ie: he gets chosen by Las Vegas) if it means we could keep Pouliot/Sprong/Bonino/Rust/Sheary/Wilson/Sundqvist and any of the other guys that would otherwise be poached
- TheGame316

That is how you keep Murray by exposing MAF. If Vegas takes him fine, I just don't think he would be their best option.

Is it fair to say that Mike Johnston completely blew as the head coach of the Pens? Like, just completely and whole heartedly sucked. Is that a fair assessment?

Is it fair to say that Mike Johnston completely blew as the head coach of the Pens? Like, just completely and whole heartedly sucked. Is that a fair assessment?
- brienstel

Man that was some unfun hockey to watch.

CBJ will be forced to protect Dubinsky, Foligno, Clarkson, Hartnell and Tyutin. (4F 1D)

Assuming they protect Saad, Wennberg and either Jenner/Atkinson on forward as well as Murray and Jones on D. That fills 7F 3D leaving the following notable players unprotected:

-One of Atkinson or Jenner
-William Karlsson
-Jack Johson and
-David Savard.

Maybe they protect Savard over Murray but regardless they will be leaving some valuable pieces exposed.

One thing I am curious about is if teams have to make their lists of players protected from the expansion draft public. It seems unfair to have to make these lists public. Let's say the Pens protect Murray and not Fleury and Fleury gets passed over in the expansion draft, thus remaining a Penguin. Since Fleury knew that he was not on the protected list he very well might lose his desire to play here and might then ask for a trade regardless. This could happen with any veteran of any team. It seems like the owners and gm's should be sworn to secrecy, regarding who was on/not on the lists, for a period of about ten years or so. The players and coaches shouldn't know who was/was not on them.

Also, I still think it is a terrible idea to have a team in Las Vegas.

CBJ will be forced to protect Dubinsky, Foligno, Clarkson, Hartnell and Tyutin. (4F 1D)

Assuming they protect Saad, Wennberg and either Jenner/Atkinson on forward as well as Murray and Jones on D. That fills 7F 3D leaving the following notable players unprotected:

-One of Atkinson or Jenner
-William Karlsson
-Jack Johson and
-David Savard.

Maybe they protect Savard over Murray but regardless they will be leaving some valuable pieces exposed.
- RonPielep

Scotty Hartnell just waved his NTC today so they'll probably find a way to dump him

Scotty Hartnell just waved his NTC today so they'll probably find a way to dump him
- Victoro311

Anaheim could lose Fowler or Andersen.

Apparently the Las Vegas team gets a guaranteed spot in the draft lottery for the first 4 years regardless if they are a playoff team or not

What a total bunch of BS

They'll take as many young controllable players as they can on cheap deals (Rust, Pouliot types) and then a bunch of mid tier vets with 1 year left on their deals

They'll have capspace for FA's in year 1
They'll have a ton of capspace for FA's in year 2 when all the vet contracts expire
They'll get 3 really good goalies, and be able to trade 1 of them for a nice asset I'm sure

and 4 years of guaranteed lotto picks, likely weighted heavily in their favor

Apparently the Las Vegas team gets a guaranteed spot in the draft lottery for the first 4 years regardless if they are a playoff team or not

What a total bunch of BS

They'll take as many young controllable players as they can on cheap deals (Rust, Pouliot types) and then a bunch of mid tier vets with 1 year left on their deals

They'll have capspace for FA's in year 1
They'll have a ton of capspace for FA's in year 2 when all the vet contracts expire
They'll get 3 really good goalies, and be able to trade 1 of them for a nice asset I'm sure

and 4 years of guaranteed lotto picks, likely weighted heavily in their favor
- TheGame316

Guess it's time to jump on the band wagon.

I'm in Jamaica with my girlfriends' family for a wedding. They are all from Pittsburgh, and huge Penguins fans.

Apparently the Las Vegas team gets a guaranteed spot in the draft lottery for the first 4 years regardless if they are a playoff team or not

What a total bunch of BS

They'll take as many young controllable players as they can on cheap deals (Rust, Pouliot types) and then a bunch of mid tier vets with 1 year left on their deals

They'll have capspace for FA's in year 1
They'll have a ton of capspace for FA's in year 2 when all the vet contracts expire
They'll get 3 really good goalies, and be able to trade 1 of them for a nice asset I'm sure

and 4 years of guaranteed lotto picks, likely weighted heavily in their favor
- TheGame316

So you want expansions teams to eat poop for 10 years, like they did in the past? I don't have really have a problem with letting the new expansion team get their feet under them.

I'm in Jamaica with my girlfriends' family for a wedding. They are all from Pittsburgh, and huge Penguins fans.
- Blackstrom2

I'm in Jamaica with my girlfriends' family for a wedding. They are all from Pittsburgh, and huge Penguins fans.
- Blackstrom2

All I am reading is... Jamaica, and open bar

Keep MAF for another season is not an option. Neither is keeping him until the trade deadline. They will never get more for him than the present and they run the risk of not being able to move him the longer they hang onto him. Fleury will have zero issues moving on to Dallas and the Penguins can make a decent deal with them if they take back Niemi in the deal. I really don't want the rest of the league to force Pitts into losing Murray because no one will take Fleury next summer in trade.

It's about finding a way to protect Murray, not finding a way not to lose Fleury

I'd give away Fleury today for nothing (ie: he gets chosen by Las Vegas) if it means we could keep Pouliot/Sprong/Bonino/Rust/Sheary/Wilson/Sundqvist and any of the other guys that would otherwise be poached
- TheGame316

They can only take one player from the team and they will be looking for established players. The only one of those guys you would have to worry about is Bonino. I honestly think looking at our roster now, they would select Daley and be happy with it, unless Murray is available of course. I think that is a loss we can all agree sucks but not that bad.