I told you, you'll feel better about the intruder on your turf if you just take some deep breaths . And then count to ten

Did he just say something disparaging in a round about way about my favouritest team!!?? I better say something about the flames !!
- HB77

You okay?

- burn

Phenomenal

I told you, you'll feel better about the intruder on your turf if you just take some deep breaths . And then count to ten

"Did he just say something disparaging in a round about way about my favouritest team!!?? I better say something about the flames !!."
- HB77

I think you're over reacting big chute...

I read an article that teams are pushing to make some amendments, but as of today I think they have to protect them

If ference can't pass a physical this offseason, with the rules today, I recently read the oilers can't buyout ference and have to protect him even though his contract/nmc expires ten days after the expansion draft
- HB77

How does his contract expire 10days after expansion draft? Nothing has been announced.


I was referring to guys like Horton and pronger and savard who have been on ltir for years.

- burn

Jesus h Christ.

That's some (frank)ed up, yet hilarious, poop.

He should just retire.. officially..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

And give up 5mil a year for next several years.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/boards/thread.php?thread_id=57175&page=last#16325270
- burn

340 pages

And give up 5mil a e next several years.
- burn

yeah I get that, but still..

there should be a rule about if you can't play you should be forced to retire and get a percentage of your contract.. I don't see how the PA would want a player whos not even playing collecting a piece of the pie.. its kinda like hockey player welfare...

How does his contract expire 10days after expansion draft? Nothing has been announced.


I was referring to guys like Horton and pronger and savard who have been on ltir for years.
- burn

Kinda semantics.

The expansion draft sounds like it's gonna be right before the draft. (Late June)
Ference's Contract expires July 1. I dunno how truly certain rxpansion is, but seems pretty much foregone.
I read that trying to get ference to retire is the move, but then he'd be leaving 3.5 mil out there..

As far as Horton, that's sorta what I was asking. I wasn't sure that ltir matters. If they have an nmc, they gotta be protected. But I could be wrong

I know this isn't a leaf trade but I heard this one today.

To the ducks: Taylor hall, 2nd round pick in 2016
To Edmonton: vatanen, Ritchie, 1st round pick 2016
- Kinggilmour

Not happening. Deal isn't good enough for Edmonton to jump on and Hall isn't moving. He, McJesus, Eberle, & Draisaitl are untouchables. Nuge would have to be the guy moved and the Ducks don't need him.

Do the leafs have to protect Horton ?

They also have to protect nylander and soshnikov too, no?
- HB77

Bill Daly reports that NMC may not have to be protected. Speculation so far but really disappointing for the expansion team(s) and NHLPA is true. Weakens the talent the expansion teams would get.

Not happening. Deal isn't good enough for Edmonton to jump on and Hall isn't moving. He, McJesus, Eberle, & Draisaitl are untouchables. Nuge would have to be the guy moved and the Ducks don't need him.
- Steven_Dean

dosnt seem that bad

yeah I get that, but still..

there should be a rule about if you can't play you should be forced to retire and get a percentage of your contract.. I don't see how the PA would want a player whos not even playing collecting a piece of the pie.. its kinda like hockey player welfare...
- Arctic_AARDVARK

The pa wants the players to get paid. Retiring means they don't get paid.

Completely different debate but I don't think the league should be expanding. Too many teams as it is. It's not like we have 30 completely healthy and financially successful teams as it is.

Bill Daly reports that NMC may not have to be protected. Speculation so far but really disappointing for the expansion team(s) and NHLPA is true. Weakens the talent the expansion teams would get.
- Steven_Dean

I see

It's kinda effed, cause it's clearly totally illogical to force a team to protect s guy that's probably never gonna play again, or even worse a guy that has his contract expiring a week later.
But it's not like the nhl is a model of logic...

But on the other hand, these guys negotiated a nmc for themselves and how does the league negate that?

Even forcing the leafs to protect nylander cause of that extra year earlier in the ahl is silly. If in fact that's true...

Seems like the league needs to work in the grey areas cause there's gonna be some teams that are pretty fuked

Kinda semantics.

The expansion draft sounds like it's gonna be right before the draft. (Late June)
Ference's Contract expires July 1. I dunno how truly certain rxpansion is, but seems pretty much foregone.
I read that trying to get ference to retire is the move, but then he'd be leaving 3.5 mil out there..

As far as Horton, that's sorta what I was asking. I wasn't sure that ltir matters. If they have an nmc, they gotta be protected. But I could be wrong
- HB77

You think the league gonna kill team that have pronged (az) by having to protect them? Guys that having played in years due to injuries I feel will be exempt. It makes no sense to force team to protect players that can't play.

dosnt seem that bad
- poohcrumbs

If hall goes, I don't see the oilers interested in more assets to fill value (Ritchie and the first )

I'd assume they'd want the main defender piece as a higher echelon than vatanen. Even if the oilers had to add to get it done

The pa wants the players to get paid. Retiring means they don't get paid.
- burn

But if he retirees and get a % of his owed salary that opens up another spot for some other player to get paid.. so in the grand scheme of it more players are getting paid..

But if he retirees and get a % of his owed salary that opens up another spot for some other player to get paid.. so in the grand scheme of it more players are getting paid..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

How does it open more spots, that guy isn't playing as it is. Him retiring doesn't open more spots.

I see

It's kinda effed, cause it's clearly totally illogical to force a team to protect s guy that's probably never gonna play again, or even worse a guy that has his contract expiring a week later.
But it's not like the nhl is a model of logic...

But on the other hand, these guys negotiated a nmc for themselves and how does the league negate that?

Even forcing the leafs to protect nylander cause of that extra year earlier in the ahl is silly. If in fact that's true...

Seems like the league needs to work in the grey areas cause there's gonna be some teams that are pretty fuked
- HB77

In some cases, not many, teams will get free help ditching a contract they don't want.

You think the league gonna kill team that have pronged (az) by having to protect them? Guys that having played in years due to injuries I feel will be exempt. It makes no sense to force team to protect players that can't play.
- burn

I don't neccesarily "think" they should do one or the other.

And logic really has nothing to do with it.
Horton negotiated a nmc. Why should he be exposed to getting moved to a place where he doesn't wanna go? even if the chances are next to nothing because of his injury

The ference situation makes no sense either. even if he wasn't washed, he'll be a FA a week later. There's less chance he gets picked Than Horton.
but where does the line get drawn?
Final year? Injured players?
Wouldn't team with 2 years left in a player then start saying, well 2 years should be included to now !?[/img]

How does it open more spots, that guy isn't playing as it is. Him retiring doesn't open more spots.
- burn

doesn't his salary count against the cap?

In some cases, not many, teams will get free help ditching a contract they don't want.
- systemtool

Hopefully some rationality comes into play here

You think the league gonna kill team that have pronged (az) by having to protect them? Guys that having played in years due to injuries I feel will be exempt. It makes no sense to force team to protect players that can't play.
- burn

Simple solution: allow guys with NMCs to waive their veto and be unprotected.

Horton wouldn't care - it wouldn't change his life one iota.

Simple solution: allow guys with NMCs to waive their veto and be unprotected.

Horton wouldn't care - it wouldn't change his life one iota.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hmmmm

I wonder

I suppose the guys with expiring contracts would for sure. Makes no difference.

But even Horton, I dunno. I assume regardless that he's injured he still has some obligations to the team that signs his paychecks. Mostly I mean he has to at least be present for functions or available to them whenever they want. Maybe the team wants regular training and supervision in case he can come back etc etc.
All just spitballing of course. But maybe he hates the thought of Vegas and won't do it. Why even risk it if you don't have to right ?
Im essentially referring to at least part time residence in Vegas.