Nothing wrong with acquiring a guy like Marchenko. He wouldn't cost too much si I don't get all the butthurt over talking about him. Fact is, he'd be a guy we likely wouldn't need to protect through the expansion draft and who might yet be able to play at a top 4 level after that point.

That being said, stop bringing it up every thread.
- MaximumBone

That's fine but some of the complaints were levied against the mere idea of acquiring him or a player in his situation as if the team doesn't still have a huge need for depth on D.
- MaximumBone

Thank you! Someone that actually gets my point. I get it that the 4th would be better spend on a guy like Shattenkirk, Trouba, Barrie, etc, plus it would be better to acquire those guys instead of Marchenko + 16th since they fill a Top 2 role that this team desperately needs, but Chia has A LOT of options to choose from this year, I just hope he actually does something.

Nonetheless, I'm just saying that depth wise, getting the #16th which would turn out to be McAvoy (IMO) and Marchenko (via those 3 earlier idea's/propositions) who has shown great strides internationally, in the AHL, and in the NHL would greatly enhance the RHD for Edmonton prospect wise and NHL wise.

I'll also stop talking about Marchenko now. I'm pretty sure I have Marchenko memorized in your brains by now. Nonetheless, next year will be his big breakout year. He deserves it; played for Russia in Worlds, in the AHL, U17, U18, U19, and in the NHL and he has been thriving in each level.

I think 6m is the fair value that he would settle at, probably starts at 6.5m and settles at 6m.

Honestly I dont think the contract talk story line is as bad as the media is making it out, just the Avs had trouble with Newsport with ROR and thats the same agents with Barrie so they just assume it wiill be a cluster (frank) again.

he has 3 years of RFA left, Avs have all the control here, he needs to play so holding out wont help him, I think they go to arb and settle on a 2 year deal before its all said and done if he doesnt like the numbers hes getting
- DDM-Coga

I'm just surprised that Colorado is even thinking about trading him.

This brings me to the Trouba to Colorado rumors, which sound kind of clunky. If they are true, which piece would be the better fit for Colorado and which one is the better overall defender? Trouba or Barrie?

Sincerely, I hope you guys don't get Trouba because I would love to see Edmonton get him. I think he would form a great pairing with Klefbom.

Though Marchenko and Reinhart have similiarities (Size, smarts, and good passing), don't forget that Marchenko is a RHD, has better skating, a better hockey IQ, and and has been developed to a higher extend than Reinhart. I might be hyping him up a little bit, but Detroit management, Detroit fans, and Detroit analysts are all beginning to view Marchenko as a valuable, consistent player that will become a legitimate top 4 player that can play solid 2nd pairing minutes on a daily basis. Hell, he has been doing it on the international stage since he was U17! He has thrived in the AHL and so far, he has looked quite good in the NHL too. There are numerous articles all talking about how he is starting to rise up into the NHL atmosphere.

I can see why the 4th for Marchenko and the #16 would be a risky deal, but what if we offered them next year's first? Or a conditional offer for next year's draft picks (For example, if we make the playoffs, the pick becomes a 1st + 2nd +3rd, if not, it becomes a 2nd + 3rd + 4th along with a prospect or something; you can visualize where I'm going with this)?

Marchenko + 16th for next year's first or a conditional offer for Marchenko + 16th for (1+2+3 if we make the playoffs or 2+3+4+prospect if we don't) can be something to definitely consider.

I'm just trying to be creative here. Edmonton's needs a massive overhaul not just NHL depth wise, but also prospect wise and gaining 2 RHD that show promise would do this team wonders.
- EdmHockeyMan

I am all up for creative and comparing him to Griffin was not perfect I know. Chiarelli has made it clear that he is willing to trade for a top dman but he is thinking much more established. Someone who already has experience as a top defender. I think the offer sheet for Jones or similar makes sense. Still I thought we should have done an offer sheet for Holtby last year so I am obviously one of the many that see it is perfectly okay to sign another team's RFA which some don't.

I do however think that parting with next years picks, at least the first should be on the table. I don't agree that we should use our picks because the farm teams need stocking. There are always career AHL players we can sign and I would prefer to see the main club win as a priority if it comes to that. Oilers need to take a hard look at what they are passing on. Something I don't think they did with Griffin last year. However with no scouting staff, I don't blame them. Tkachuk is a top player that will most likely make the team in two years and come out literally swinging. I hope they pick him. I know he will be a favorite of many Oiler fans in the future. He is a fun guy to watch play.

I am all up for creative and comparing him to Griffin was not perfect I know. Chiarelli has made it clear that he is willing to trade for a top dman but he is thinking much more established. Someone who already has experience as a top defender. I think the offer sheet for Jones or similar makes sense. Still I thought we should have done an offer sheet for Holtby last year so I am obviously one of the many that see it is perfectly okay to sign another team's RFA which some don't.

I do however think that parting with next years picks, at least the first should be on the table. I don't agree that we should use our picks because the farm teams need stocking. There are always career AHL players we can sign and I would prefer to see the main club win as a priority if it comes to that. Oilers need to take a hard look at what they are passing on. Something I don't think they did with Griffin last year. However with no scouting staff, I don't blame them. Tkachuk is a top player that will most likely make the team in two years and come out literally swinging. I hope they pick him. I know he will be a favorite of many Oiler fans in the future. He is a fun guy to watch play.
- Hall Fan

I would love seeing Edmonton draft Tkachuk, but I feel that the pick will more than likely be traded. There are pros and cons to both propositions (trading the 4th and keeping it), but at the end of the day, the 4th will more than likely be used to bring in a RHD that addresses the holes in our current defensive alignment.

Thank you! Someone that actually gets my point. I get it that the 4th would be better spend on a guy like Shattenkirk, Trouba, Barrie, etc, plus it would be better to acquire those guys instead of Marchenko + 16th since they fill a Top 2 role that this team desperately needs, but Chia has A LOT of options to choose from this year, I just hope he actually does something.

Nonetheless, I'm just saying that depth wise, getting the #16th which would turn out to be McAvoy (IMO) and Marchenko (via those 3 earlier idea's/propositions) who has shown great strides internationally, in the AHL, and in the NHL would greatly enhance the RHD for Edmonton prospect wise and NHL wise.

I'll also stop talking about Marchenko now. I'm pretty sure I have Marchenko memorized in your brains by now. Nonetheless, next year will be his big breakout year. He deserves it; played for Russia in Worlds, in the AHL, U17, U18, U19, and in the NHL and he has been thriving in each level.
- EdmHockeyMan

I'd sooner grab a guy like Madison Bowey (he's my Marchenko) if we're looking for the next breakout guy. He's currently stuck behind Carlson and Niskanen and both are likely long term stalwarts for the Caps. He's produced strong numbers in almost every capacity he's played in since drafting, has a good frame, and is a damn good skater.

I would love seeing Edmonton draft Tkachuk, but I feel that the pick will more than likely be traded. There are pros and cons to both propositions (trading the 4th and keeping it), but at the end of the day, the 4th will more than likely be used to bring in a RHD that addresses the holes in our current defensive alignment.
- EdmHockeyMan

As much as I'd prefer to avoid it, moving Hall is still a possibility. I'd even be open to moving him for a package including a young top-4 Dman (he'd have to be the perfect fit).

I'd sooner grab a guy like Madison Bowey (he's my Marchenko) if we're looking for the next breakout guy. He's currently stuck behind Carlson and Niskanen and both are likely long term stalwarts for the Caps. He's produced strong numbers in almost every capacity he's played in since drafting, has a good frame, and is a damn good skater.
- MaximumBone

I'd prefer Bowey for sure. Marchenko is likely one bad season away from being subject to waivers and potentially being acquired for free.

I'd prefer Bowey for sure. Marchenko is likely one bad season away from being subject to waivers and potentially being acquired for free.
- RonPielep

If Detroit can draft and develop a 7th round pick into being valuable enough to trade a 4th overall for; imagine what they could do with a 4th overall pick..

If Detroit can draft and develop a 7th round pick into being valuable enough to trade a 4th overall for; imagine what they could do with a 4th overall pick..
- fry

This is what they do with 4th OA picks

If Detroit can draft and develop a 7th round pick into being valuable enough to trade a 4th overall for; imagine what they could do with a 4th overall pick..
- fry

Yeah, if Detroit was so great at drafting , why did they pick those six horrible players with a combined 2 NHL games before Datsyuk?

It's called luck.

Yeah, if Detroit was so great at drafting , why did they pick those six horrible players with a combined 2 NHL games before Datsyuk?

It's called luck.
- Jeropotato

Going back 15 years (so excluding Datsyuk and Zetterberg), Nyquist, Tatar, Mrazek, Athanasiou, Marchenko, Pulkinnen, Helm, Andersson, Quincey, Ericsson, and Franzen are all later round picks that played regularly for the team the last year.

Abdelkader, Howard, Jurco, Ouellet, Sproul, Smith, Mantha, Sheahan, and Larkin are all 1st and 2nd round picks drafted by and currently have played at least one game for the team last year.

Jarnkrok, Nestrasil, Ferraro, Filppula, Fleischmann, Hudler, Kindl, Matthias, and Janmark are all varying levels of picks made by Detroit that are currently playing elsewhere.

It's more than luck. They're still great at finding value in the later rounds.

Going back 15 years (so excluding Datsyuk and Zetterberg), Nyquist, Tatar, Mrazek, Athanasiou, Marchenko, Pulkinnen, Helm, Andersson, Quincey, Ericsson, and Franzen are all later round picks that played regularly for the team the last year.

Abdelkader, Howard, Jurco, Ouellet, Sproul, Smith, Mantha, Sheahan, and Larkin are all 1st and 2nd round picks drafted by and currently have played at least one game for the team last year.

Jarnkrok, Nestrasil, Ferraro, Filppula, Fleischmann, Hudler, Kindl, Matthias, and Janmark are all varying levels of picks made by Detroit that are currently playing elsewhere.

It's more than luck. They're still great at finding value in the later rounds.
- MaximumBone

this.... we need to start finding value in the draft

this.... we need to start finding value in the draft
- prismo

Fine. 4th overall for Marchenko and our European head scout, Hakan Andersson.

Fine. 4th overall for Marchenko and our European head scout, Hakan Andersson.
- RafiDRW

As much as I'd prefer to avoid it, moving Hall is still a possibility. I'd even be open to moving him for a package including a young top-4 Dman (he'd have to be the perfect fit).
- MaximumBone

If that may be the case, would you rather see Edmonton acquire a bonafide elite RHD or two great Top 2-4 RHD for Hall?

In this case, I'm talking about the jets. They have probably the worst LW depth in the NHL. If Hall was going there, I would love to see Myers and Trouba coming back.

Sekera-Myers
Klefbom-Trouba
Davidson-Gryba

(Fayne would probably be sent to the Jets)

If that may be the case, would you rather see Edmonton acquire a bonafide elite RHD or two great Top 2-4 RHD for Hall?

In this case, I'm talking about the jets. They have probably the worst LW depth in the NHL. If Hall was going there, I would love to see Myers and Trouba coming back.

Sekera-Myers
Klefbom-Trouba
Davidson-Gryba

(Fayne would probably be sent to the Jets)


- EdmHockeyMan

I don't think there's a team in the league that would or could trade two top-4 Dmen in a deal that wouldn't bring at least another one back. No, in this case I'd be wanting a higher end guy with a few extra pieces. I've advocated for it before, but something like Hamonic, Nelson, and a high pick. Take this template and apply it to a bunch of teams with young D up for possible trade (Anaheim, Winnipeg, etc) and see what you get.

- DDM-Coga

Need some hot takes in here.

- DDM-Coga

Sounds like the oilers don't need to protect ference

Sounds like the oilers don't need to protect ference
- HB77

Why? Is it because they are trading for a stud like Marchenko?

Sounds like the oilers don't need to protect ference
- HB77

thats not very classy of you

thats not very classy of you
- DDM-Coga

It's a dog eat dog world bro

Ull be better off when you learn that son

Why? Is it because they are trading for a stud like Marchenko?
- NEONDOUBLEDION

Well, He does solve our problems ...

Sounds like the oilers don't need to protect ference
- HB77

3 mil plus cap hit and may not be able to play next year? Trade hi to the Devils. They are now Coyotes East.