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chilliard77
Location: NY
Joined: 08.23.2011

Jun 7 @ 7:09 PM ET
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason
- GERBE!!!75PTS

So are the Aves just going to keep trading all their young super star talent in a perpetual rebuild of mediocrity? They may take Vancouver's spot as worst managed in the NHL soon.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Jun 7 @ 7:11 PM ET
More like

8th, Guhle, Kane and Bailey

- bluengold12


I think everyone on this board would do that deal so that's why I know it's not fair you have to overpay which sucks
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 7 @ 7:11 PM ET
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/can-don-sweeney-boston-bruins-do-what-needs-to-be-done-offseason
- GERBE!!!75PTS

"Duchene available in effort to obtain top pair Dman"

We're out.


GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
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Jun 7 @ 7:12 PM ET
So are the Aves just going to keep trading all their young super star talent in a perpetual rebuild of mediocrity? They may take Vancouver's spot as worst managed in the NHL soon.
- chilliard77



Let's get their players before they wake up
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:16 PM ET
I think everyone on this board would do that deal so that's why I know it's not fair you have to overpay which sucks
- GERBE!!!75PTS


We're just not good trading partners for a player like that... If Ennis played last year and put up 35-40 points we'd have a nice trade asset. Duchene who made team Canada (fair or not) over O'Riley. Would probably cost on a good team their 2nd best defenseman or their 2nd line center. Since we don't have a number two defenceman good enough for him or a second line center they'd probably ask for Risto. I wouldn't do it.

Maybe we could do Barrie and Duchene and their 2nd for Risto and Bailey? I wouldn't do it but who knows...
Der Kaiser
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I Know Nothink ... NOTHINK!
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jun 7 @ 7:18 PM ET
We're just not good trading partners for a player like that... If Ennis played last year and put up 35-40 points we'd have a nice trade asset. Duchene who made team Canada (fair or not) over O'Riley. Would probably cost on a good team their 2nd best defenseman or their 2nd line center. Since we don't have a number two defenceman good enough for him or a second line center they'd probably ask for Risto. I wouldn't do it.

Maybe we could do Barrie and Duchene and their 2nd for Risto and Bailey? I wouldn't do it but who knows...

- bluengold12

Risto is untouchable
MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bay Area, CA
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:20 PM ET
I think everyone on this board would do that deal so that's why I know it's not fair you have to overpay which sucks
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Not me
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
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Jun 7 @ 7:20 PM ET
We're just not good trading partners for a player like that... If Ennis played last year and put up 35-40 points we'd have a nice trade asset. Duchene who made team Canada (fair or not) over O'Riley. Would probably cost on a good team their 2nd best defenseman or their 2nd line center. Since we don't have a number two defenceman good enough for him or a second line center they'd probably ask for Risto. I wouldn't do it.

Maybe we could do Barrie and Duchene and their 2nd for Risto and Bailey? I wouldn't do it but who knows...

- bluengold12


You would get a lesser defenseman but you would end up with a high-powered forward that's a tough one

I would say that's a pretty close even trade
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 7:21 PM ET
More like

8th, Guhle, Kane and Bailey

- bluengold12


Wow, no.

8th and Bailey and someone like Borgen at the most. ROR was only 2 good prospects, one guy who may or may not, and the 31st pick.
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
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Jun 7 @ 7:21 PM ET
Not me
- MCGUIZZY


You think we be overpaying
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
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Jun 7 @ 7:22 PM ET
Wow, no.

8th and Bailey and someone like Borgen at the most. ROR was only 2 good prospects, one guy who may or may not, and the 31st pick.

- Wetbandit1



I think the Colorado Avalanche would laugh at the offer

You're probably giving up as much as the Phil Kessel trade
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:23 PM ET
Wow, no.

8th and Bailey and someone like Borgen at the most. ROR was only 2 good prospects, one guy who may or may not, and the 31st pick.

- Wetbandit1


Duschene is a better overall player and point producer. He's going to cost more. Borgen and Bailey aren't close to the prospects of Zadorov. Grigerenko was a throw away. Compher is a better Borgen Zadorov is a better Bailey. Need to offer better than that and we don't have it.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jun 7 @ 7:27 PM ET
Duschene is a better overall player and point producer. He's going to cost more. Borgen and Bailey aren't close to the prospects of Zadorov. Grigerenko was a throw away. Compher is a better Borgen Zadorov is a better Bailey. Need to offer better than that and we don't have it.
- bluengold12


Yeah, except the difference is in the picks. The 8th is a lot more valuable than the 31st. I really wish I could find that stupid article that shows what every pick is worth in terms of getting awuality NHLer. ROR means more to a team than Duchene. Duchene scores goals. Ok, ROR scores goals, kills penalties, takes every other face-off. Forechecks. Backchecks. Plays 38 minutes a nights. Yes, he's very valuable. Hence the 8th overall pick with no picks coming back. Plus a good prospect and a tweener who has shown some promise on the international stage.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Jun 7 @ 7:28 PM ET
Duchene Is on the Market


This is what I'm talking speed kills



It's going to cost a lot let's see your offers guys

- GERBE!!!75PTS

He doesn't get along with O'Reilly. No way the sabres can bring in Ladd or Duchene.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jun 7 @ 7:29 PM ET
Found it.

http://www.tsn.ca/statist...-nhl-draft-picks-1.317819
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 7 @ 7:29 PM ET
Yeah, except the difference is in the picks. The 8th is a lot more valuable than the 31st. I really wish I could find that stupid article that shows what every pick is worth in terms of getting awuality NHLer. ROR means more to a team than Duchene. Duchene scores goals. Ok, ROR scores goals, kills penalties, takes every other face-off. Forechecks. Backchecks. Plays 38 minutes a nights. Yes, he's very valuable. Hence the 8th overall pick with no picks coming back. Plus a good prospect and a tweener who has shown some promise on the international stage.
- Wetbandit1



That'd be a record or something.
MCGUIZZY
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bay Area, CA
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:30 PM ET
You think we be overpaying
- GERBE!!!75PTS



Yea

Its just too much of our prospect pool to be giving up when we are already weak there. And I really like Duchene. It will just cause too much damage
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:32 PM ET
Yeah, except the difference is in the picks. The 8th is a lot more valuable than the 31st. I really wish I could find that stupid article that shows what every pick is worth in terms of getting awuality NHLer. ROR means more to a team than Duchene. Duchene scores goals. Ok, ROR scores goals, kills penalties, takes every other face-off. Forechecks. Backchecks. Plays 38 minutes a nights. Yes, he's very valuable. Hence the 8th overall pick with no picks coming back. Plus a good prospect and a tweener who has shown some promise on the international stage.
- Wetbandit1


I think O'Riley is a more complete player but apparently the people in Colorado and team Canada disagree.

If they gave up Duchene they'd have one solid top six center. I don't see them trading him at all unless they get RNH back in a deal for Barrie which I could definitely see happening. I don't see a fair deal for Buffalo here.
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:33 PM ET
He doesn't get along with O'Reilly. No way the sabres can bring in Ladd or Duchene.
- Mentalorgasm5


Apparently him and O'Riley made up. They were very close during the worlds this summer. We're not getting him though so don't worry. Likely not getting Ladd either.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 7 @ 7:35 PM ET
I think O'Riley is a more complete player but apparently the people in Colorado and team Canada disagree.

If they gave up Duchene they'd have one solid top six center. I don't see them trading him at all unless they get RNH back in a deal for Barrie which I could definitely see happening. I don't see a fair deal for Buffalo here.

- bluengold12


Oh, I was just talking in terms of value. We'd be a horrible trade partner. Apparently ROR and Duchene don't get along.

Edit: Late.

Double edit: I believe Duchene will be on the wing for Canada.
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:37 PM ET
Oh, I was just talking in terms of value. We'd be a horrible trade partner. Apparently ROR and Duchene don't get along.

Edit: Late.

Double edit: I believe Duchene will be on the wing for Canada.

- Wetbandit1


Read my post above yours on that subject...
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
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Jun 7 @ 7:38 PM ET
Another decent chart.

http://statsportsconsulti...uckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf
GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
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Jun 7 @ 7:38 PM ET
He doesn't get along with O'Reilly. No way the sabres can bring in Ladd or Duchene.
- Mentalorgasm5


They're good friends they just had a disagreement about money but that's over with
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Jun 7 @ 7:40 PM ET
Another decent chart.

http://statsportsconsulti...uckers_NHL_Draftchart.pdf

- Wetbandit1



That is 5 yrs old.

I'd guess the values may have changed a bit.

Still a good basis though
bluengold12
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.19.2012

Jun 7 @ 7:44 PM ET
Hypothetical would anyone take three more years at 5.4 of Bouwmeester?
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