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- Mononoke

for the record everyone he threw me out

I've been thinking about 3C.

With Couturier locked in as a 2nd line center, and getting a lot of ice time. I somewhat want a 3C with more offensive potential. Again, Konecny?
- flyer_nutter

The goal is really just 3 lines than consist of the most ice time that are fully capable of scoring or playing defense. The responsibilities will shift depending on linemates at that moment, line matchups (home/away), or time of the game. it sounds a bit pointless and obvious, but the goal is really just to score more than the lines they match up against. cousin's hockey IQ is great and all, but more skill is needed to truly dial up the attack and overmatch opposing teams

I was under the impression if a player fails to report (like in the Tim Thomas to NYI deal) the team suspends him and he still counts against the cap.
- flyers4487

he would be retiring...he is under contract so he cant just go play elsewhere without retiring, which is why the red wings are on the hook for the cap hit

The goal is really just 3 lines than consist of the most ice time that are fully capable of scoring or playing defense. The responsibilities will shift depending on linemates at that moment, line matchups (home/away), or time of the game. it sounds a bit pointless and obvious, but the goal is really just to score more than the lines they match up against. cousin's hockey IQ is great and all, but more skill is needed to truly dial up the attack and overmatch opposing teams
- YuenglingJagr

For sure.

No team is perfect, and the Flyers are far away from that. Glaring issues remain.

As much as I would love to upgrade VDV's position, and get some more size/speed... The main issues of defense, and lacking a skilled LW remain. That is priority.

he would be retiring...he is under contract so he cant just go play elsewhere without retiring, which is why the red wings are on the hook for the cap hit
- YuenglingJagr

Would anyone be interested in taking on some of the Datsyuk deal if it meant you got a prospect? With the Flyers still rebuilding for the future would do the below to gain more assets?

To Philly:
Datsyuk(50%retained by DET)
Riley Sheahan

To Detroit:
Cousins
3rd rounder



Flyers take a hit with the Datsyuk hit short term for a year but also get a young 3rd line center in Sheahan for the future.

Redwings clear space and get a 3rd rounder so they can maybe make a play for someone like Stamkos or maybe Rudalov.

Is it worth it?

for the record everyone he threw me out
- 2Real

Such sins we all harbor

Such a happy clown you used to be

he would be retiring...he is under contract so he cant just go play elsewhere without retiring, which is why the red wings are on the hook for the cap hit
- YuenglingJagr

Yea I forgot there was an agreement in place with the khl. I am sure there is still a market for it considering its 2mill of "free cap money" to a cap starved team, however this time im sure the wings will have to toss some picks in. I think a 2nd gets it done.

Gagner coming back was a salary dump for arizona as well
- YuenglingJagr

It may have been viewed as a dump, but he was (I believe) their leading scorer the year before, and he added some secondary scoring for us.

The goal is really just 3 lines than consist of the most ice time that are fully capable of scoring or playing defense. The responsibilities will shift depending on linemates at that moment, line matchups (home/away), or time of the game. it sounds a bit pointless and obvious, but the goal is really just to score more than the lines they match up against. cousin's hockey IQ is great and all, but more skill is needed to truly dial up the attack and overmatch opposing teams
- YuenglingJagr

Can you explain what you mean by hockey IQ? I'm actually interested.

a 35+ contract retiring is not the same as someone on LTIR
- YuenglingJagr

No, it's not, but think about it. If a team is well under the cap, and needs cap hits to reach the ceiling, they might be interested. Since he is retired, there is no salary paid out, so essentially, it's even better than the Pronger situation. They would have to trade him before he files for retirement. Can't trade a retired player.

Can you explain what you mean by hockey IQ? I'm actually interested.
- Mononoke

The part of the game that has nothing to do with athletic ability and/or motor skills. The ability to anticipate the play and be able to make good, quick decisions.

#sarcasmnoted

Such sins we all harbor
- Mononoke

“All I can do with the time I’ve got left is bring a little goodness into the world. That’s all any of us can do. It’s never too late to stop robbing people, to stop killing people, and start helping people. It’s never too late to come back.”

Would anyone be interested in taking on some of the Datsyuk deal if it meant you got a prospect? With the Flyers still rebuilding for the future would do the below to gain more assets?

To Philly:
Datsyuk(50%retained by DET)
Riley Sheahan

To Detroit:
Cousins
3rd rounder



Flyers take a hit with the Datsyuk hit short term for a year but also get a young 3rd line center in Sheahan for the future.

Redwings clear space and get a 3rd rounder so they can maybe make a play for someone like Stamkos or maybe Rudalov.

Is it worth it?
- J35Bacher

Would you do a straight up Datsyuk at 50% for AMac at 50% trade?

No, it's not, but think about it. If a team is well under the cap, and needs cap hits to reach the ceiling, they might be interested. Since he is retired, there is no salary paid out, so essentially, it's even better than the Pronger situation. They would have to trade him before he files for retirement. Can't trade a retired player.
- MJL

I actually didn't consider that either. In that case im pretty sure the wings can get a pick to come back their way, or package it with a meh contract.

Get a Jeep.

Would you do a straight up Datsyuk at 50% for AMac at 50% trade?
- jmatchett383

Now that is interesting.

But probably not. Since we will have to keep the 50% of Macdonald a couple more years.

But it is interesting. I was just looking at taking a short term hit to help the long term in getting a possible young 3rd line center with skill and speed in Sheahan

Would anyone be interested in taking on some of the Datsyuk deal if it meant you got a prospect? With the Flyers still rebuilding for the future would do the below to gain more assets?

To Philly:
Datsyuk(50%retained by DET)
Riley Sheahan

To Detroit:
Cousins
3rd rounder



Flyers take a hit with the Datsyuk hit short term for a year but also get a young 3rd line center in Sheahan for the future.

Redwings clear space and get a 3rd rounder so they can maybe make a play for someone like Stamkos or maybe Rudalov.

Is it worth it?
- J35Bacher

No, honest question. You really want the Flyers to make some kind of trade, don't you?

Would you do a straight up Datsyuk at 50% for AMac at 50% trade?
- jmatchett383

Yes. But lower the 50%.

I actually didn't consider that either. In that case im pretty sure the wings can get a pick to come back their way, or package it with a meh contract.
- flyers4487

The Wings would have to be giving up a pick or prospect, not getting one. Cap space is a valuable asset.

No, honest question. You really want the Flyers to make some kind of trade, don't you?
- MJL

LOL unless its involving A mac, ill pass. I really dont want to make any trades right now unless its to move up a few spots in the draft, and only if it involves a spare pick or 2

That would be news to me. I am understanding that he has a cap hit that is higher than his contract, but it cannot be put on LTIR and there is a big difference between a team paying a guy 550k and 5.5 million.
- YuenglingJagr

Not sure, but cap recapture could be an issue. Would have to look at the deal.

No, honest question. You really want the Flyers to make some kind of trade, don't you?
- MJL

I think they are in a situation to make a move. They are in a reshaping of the roster. Last year was a overachievement I feel. They could take a hurt now if it meant getting better in the future.

Would anyone be interested in taking on some of the Datsyuk deal if it meant you got a prospect?
- J35Bacher

I'll take Datsyuk's entire cap-hit for Anthony Mantha

I'll take Datsyuk's entire cap-hit for Anthony Mantha
- Tomahawk

I will settle for taking half of it for Athanasiou+

I'll take Datsyuk's entire cap-hit for Anthony Mantha
- Tomahawk

Arizona would take it for much less than that. It'll get them $7.5m closer to the cap floor.