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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 6 @ 9:19 PM ET
Ghost and Sanheim can move the puck from RD as well as any righty. Not saying it isn't nice to have all opposite handed pairs, but it is really overblown imo. If you're an elite puck mover, odds are you can play RD no problem. Hell some rare D even prefer it, though there are guys who don't. Depends on individual.

Some names I can think of that played off hand a lot or exclusively with no problems: Pronger, Coby, Hjalmarsson, Orr, Bourque, Niedermayer, Streit...my point is that it really isn't usually a problem if the defenseman has great puck skills.

- Mononoke


I don't know. I actually think it makes a difference. Read a piece on it years ago. The data wasn't perfect, but it appeared there was a difference.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 6 @ 9:26 PM ET
I don't know. I actually think it makes a difference. Read a piece on it years ago. The data wasn't perfect, but it appeared there was a difference.
- PhillySportsGuy


It was a minor effect. Guys like Niedermayer and Orr played their entire careers on the off side...didn't hurt them. Again, it depends on the individual. The data can gloss over that lumping everyone together and having players who should not be on off side on their off side. Someone like Sanheim always play RD. Sergachev too. Are they really inferior on that side? Like I said: preferable, but no worth fussing about if your d men are good enough. Don't need to force it.

We do have Myers and Friedman and for now Gudas too. Not completely devoid.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 6 @ 9:26 PM ET
Seeing that picture was why I created my account.
- Mononoke

I'm honored
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 6 @ 9:34 PM ET
Ghost and Sanheim can move the puck from RD as well as any righty. Not saying it isn't nice to have all opposite handed pairs, but it is really overblown imo. If you're an elite puck mover, odds are you can play RD no problem. Hell some rare D even prefer it, though there are guys who don't. Depends on individual.

Some names I can think of that played off hand a lot or exclusively with no problems: Pronger, Coby, Hjalmarsson, Orr, Bourque, Niedermayer, Streit...my point is that it really isn't usually a problem if the defenseman has good-great puck skills. There's no way the Sharks and Pens wouldn't be even better puck moving teams with someone like Ghost playing RD.

- Mononoke


The pens d are eating the Sharks alive with how active they are. When they get the puck, they are always in shooting position with the puck. They don't have to dilly dally around. Sanheim has a long way to go to group him with ghost imo.

Why fight it so much. The names on the Sharks and pens d units don't blow you away but it seems like getting them to play on their strong side is maximizing everyone of them. Just an observation
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 6 @ 9:35 PM ET
It was a minor effect. Guys like Niedermayer and Orr played their entire careers on the off side...didn't hurt them. Again, it depends on the individual. The data can gloss over that lumping everyone together and having players who should not be on off side on their off side. Someone like Sanheim always play RD. Sergachev too. Are they really inferior on that side? Like I said: preferable, but no worth fussing about if your d men are good enough. Don't need to force it.

We do have Myers and Friedman and for now Gudas too. Not completely devoid.

- Mononoke


I'm not worried about it and I agree that LH guys can play on their off side as long as they're comfortable. I just think it does matter a bit, but not enough to make wholesale changes to accommodate it
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 6 @ 9:37 PM ET
I'm not worried about it and I agree that LH guys can play on their off side as long as they're comfortable. I just think it does matter a bit, but not enough to make wholesale changes to accommodate it
- PhillySportsGuy


I remember Streit saying he doesn't care, but switching from one to the other too much can be tough.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 6 @ 9:42 PM ET
Reduced to watching the Penguins win a fourth Cup. Pathetic
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 6 @ 9:44 PM ET
Why fight it so much. The names on the Sharks and pens d units don't blow you away but it seems like getting them to play on their strong side is maximizing everyone of them. Just an observation
- Just5


Wouldn't fighting it be taking all our great LHD in the organization and trading or finding new ones who are lesser but RHD? One or both Ghost and Sanheim will be on the right most likely. They're good at it, so it is OK. Sanheim exclusively plays RD with his partner Bean. I highly doubt Ghost at RD would be less preferential to Lovejoy, Schultz, or Polak.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 6 @ 9:47 PM ET
Sharks can't do poop in the offensive zone.
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 6 @ 9:48 PM ET
Since we are talking off sides, something I'd like to see is the forwards stop playing their off sides on the PP. Does any other elite PP do this? They all seem to play on their natural wing. It makes it more fluid passing wise and harder to read. Flyers have it ingrained like this for some reason that it HAS to be this way.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Jun 6 @ 9:48 PM ET
Reduced to watching the Penguins win a fourth Cup. Pathetic
- PLindbergh31


On the bright side Fluery has to watch from the bench.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 6 @ 9:49 PM ET
Sharks can't do poop in the offensive zone.
- bird_dog_pa


Defensive monsters Dimoulin, Cole, and Lovejoy are absolute blueline stalwarts.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jun 6 @ 9:53 PM ET
Defensive monsters Dimoulin, Cole, and Lovejoy are absolute blueline stalwarts.
- PLindbergh31


Rutherford a rotting corpse of a GM.


MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Jun 6 @ 9:58 PM ET

Sharks got their win for the series.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 6 @ 10:00 PM ET
Rutherford a rotting corpse of a GM.
- Just5


Dimoulin, Cole, Lovejoy, and 67 year old Cullen on the Penguins PK. Laughable if this is the best the NHL has to offer
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 6 @ 10:06 PM ET
I don't know. I actually think it makes a difference. Read a piece on it years ago. The data wasn't perfect, but it appeared there was a difference.
- PhillySportsGuy


It matters less to guys who are really good with their sticks or can recover really quickly.

For most guys tho, they need that extra half-second to make a play or keep a puck in or poke a puck away.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 6 @ 10:13 PM ET
Metallicca and vinny. Retirement can't get here soon enough
- Just5


You'd figure by this point in their careers they'd actually be able to... you know... not play so many wrong notes.
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Jun 6 @ 10:25 PM ET
Dimoulin, Cole, Lovejoy, and 67 year old Cullen on the Penguins PK. Laughable if this is the best the NHL has to offer
- PLindbergh31


I think it's great that a league with a handful of watchable teams feels it can EXPAND!
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 6 @ 10:41 PM ET
Jeez I hope Pavelski stops choking soon.
YuenglingJagr
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: under the bridge
Joined: 10.05.2015

Jun 6 @ 10:46 PM ET
Remember the time Doc Emrick confused Joel Ward for Patrick Marleau
Mononoke
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'd do anything to get you humans out of my forest!
Joined: 07.19.2015

Jun 6 @ 10:48 PM ET
Jeez I hope Pavelski stops choking soon.
- MBFlyerfan


2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 6 @ 10:54 PM ET
well it's tough playing against the refs every game of the season
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 6 @ 10:54 PM ET
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jun 6 @ 10:55 PM ET
Reduced to watching the Penguins win a fourth Cup. Pathetic
- PLindbergh31

egg on giroux's face
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 10:56 PM ET
Damn are the pens really gonna win 4 before we get another? Hextall's plan better work.
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