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Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 1:52 PM ET

- lumlums


Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 1:54 PM ET
Been saying for a while now that Nurse might need to be moved for a young, quality R D. I think Nurse for Trouba straight up might do it.
- seoinyoung


Just so long as we can resign him for not unreasonable $.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 1 @ 1:54 PM ET
Been saying for a while now that Nurse might need to be moved for a young, quality R D. I think Nurse for Trouba straight up might do it.
- seoinyoung


You don't move players from a position of weakness just because they shoot with the wrong hand. Nurse and Klefbom are two quality young players who can handle the top two pairing on the left side, and will continue to grow into the role as others around them improve and help decrease the demands on them. If you want to get a good RD, trade one of the plethora of forwards that you have.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 1 @ 1:54 PM ET

- Wildschwein

Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Jun 1 @ 1:59 PM ET
For whom?
- Wildschwein


For Edmonton.
Trouba is good Eberle is good
Wheeler is good, 4ov is worth more then wheeler plus 20ov, in my opinion.... I guess the unnamed hough level prospect might even it up a bit.
I'd go RNH and 32ov for Trouba and 20ov
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Jun 1 @ 2:07 PM ET
For Edmonton.
Trouba is good Eberle is good
Wheeler is good, 4ov is worth more then wheeler plus 20ov, in my opinion.... I guess the unnamed hough level prospect might even it up a bit.
I'd go RNH and 32ov for Trouba and 20ov

- Pres.cup


That is where we disagree good sir.
seoinyoung
Joined: 02.20.2012

Jun 1 @ 2:09 PM ET
You don't move players from a position of weakness just because they shoot with the wrong hand. Nurse and Klefbom are two quality young players who can handle the top two pairing on the left side, and will continue to grow into the role as others around them improve and help decrease the demands on them. If you want to get a good RD, trade one of the plethora of forwards that you have.
- lumlums


Edmonton having to much talent up front is the type of false logic that has held the team back for years. Moving anyone out of the top 6, including RNH, creates a hole that the team might not be able to fill in free agency. As we speak right now and if Sekera plays on his stronger side, left, Nurse is probably 4th on the depth chart behind Davidson. Nurse for Trouba makes Sekera better and fills a hole. Let's face it, regardless of what PC does, it will be from a position of weakness until the team is no longer in the toilet with the Leafs.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 1 @ 2:17 PM ET
For Edmonton.
Trouba is good Eberle is good
Wheeler is good, 4ov is worth more then wheeler plus 20ov, in my opinion.... I guess the unnamed hough level prospect might even it up a bit.
I'd go RNH and 32ov for Trouba and 20ov

- Pres.cup


canuck fans discuss trade value. Love it
ifiwasgm
Joined: 11.10.2014

Jun 1 @ 2:18 PM ET
You might want to do some research. I broke more trades and fee agent signings than anyone on this site. I've never lied, nor have I ever been proven of lying. Don't be upset because the leafs are going in the right direction, and the mighty oilers are still on the infinite mend....hey no worries though, another 3-15 first overall picks and you guys will make the playoffs......I almost guarantee it.

Now go get your shine box.

- Kinggilmour[/quote


Wouldn't you love to meet this guy?!
This is the type everyone gets to laugh at in the bar and they don't even understand your laughing at them!

lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 1 @ 2:21 PM ET
Edmonton having to much talent up front is the type of false logic that has held the team back for years. Moving anyone out of the top 6, including RNH, creates a hole that the team might not be able to fill in free agency. As we speak right now and if Sekera plays on his stronger side, left, Nurse is probably 4th on the depth chart behind Davidson. Nurse for Trouba makes Sekera better and fills a hole. Let's face it, regardless of what PC does, it will be from a position of weakness until the team is no longer in the toilet with the Leafs.
- seoinyoung


Edmonton don't have a lack of talent; what they do have however is too many players who are too similar to each other. Look at Chicago: Kane/Panarin are smaller, speedy skill guys and Toews and Hossa are solid guys who put up reasonable points but are beasts defensively - it's that type of player that Edmonton lacks. Hall, Ebs, Nuge, McJesus, Draisaitl, hell even Nail, are talented guys who all like the puck on their stick and have a lot to learn defensively. What they need is more balance to their lineup.

EDIT: As for "In the toilet with the Leafs" - I've never been happier with the state of Toronto. They have a plan, and it seems to be a good one. Good plan >>> No plan or really poopty plan.
seoinyoung
Joined: 02.20.2012

Jun 1 @ 2:26 PM ET
Edmonton don't have a lack of talent; what they do have however is too many players who are too similar to each other. Look at Chicago: Kane/Panarin are smaller, speedy skill guys and Toews and Hossa are solid guys who put up reasonable points but are beasts defensively - it's that type of player that Edmonton lacks. Hall, Ebs, Nuge, McJesus, Draisaitl, hell even Nail, are talented guys who all like the puck on their stick and have a lot to learn defensively. What they need is more balance to their lineup.

EDIT: As for "In the toilet with the Leafs" - I've never been happier with the state of Toronto. They have a plan, and it seems to be a good one. Good plan >>> No plan or really poopty plan.

- lumlums


Lol, what exactly is the Plan in Toronto? Tanking is the easy part, fine tuning is where the planning takes place. They aren't there yet.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 1 @ 2:28 PM ET
Edmonton don't have a lack of talent; what they do have however is too many players who are too similar to each other. Look at Chicago: Kane/Panarin are smaller, speedy skill guys and Toews and Hossa are solid guys who put up reasonable points but are beasts defensively - it's that type of player that Edmonton lacks. Hall, Ebs, Nuge, McJesus, Draisaitl, hell even Nail, are talented guys who all like the puck on their stick and have a lot to learn defensively. What they need is more balance to their lineup.

EDIT: As for "In the toilet with the Leafs" - I've never been happier with the state of Toronto. They have a plan, and it seems to be a good one. Good plan >>> No plan or really poopty plan.

- lumlums

EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jun 1 @ 2:30 PM ET
Edmonton don't have a lack of talent; what they do have however is too many players who are too similar to each other. Look at Chicago: Kane/Panarin are smaller, speedy skill guys and Toews and Hossa are solid guys who put up reasonable points but are beasts defensively - it's that type of player that Edmonton lacks. Hall, Ebs, Nuge, McJesus, Draisaitl, hell even Nail, are talented guys who all like the puck on their stick and have a lot to learn defensively. What they need is more balance to their lineup.

EDIT: As for "In the toilet with the Leafs" - I've never been happier with the state of Toronto. They have a plan, and it seems to be a good one. Good plan >>> No plan or really poopty plan.

- lumlums


Nuge, McDavid, and LD are fine defensively, but as they gain experience, they will surely improve.
Nuge is a great defensively minded center who can execute a great two way game of hockey.
McDavid has an underrated defensive style of play, mainly since people mostly view him as an offensive dynamo.
LD plays a great game defensively and he uses his body as a defensive advantage in many situations; his back checking is very underrated as well.

Yak, Ebs, and maybe, just maybe Hall, need to learn a better defensively structured game (Hall defensively seems alright, but he does have his moments).
seoinyoung
Joined: 02.20.2012

Jun 1 @ 2:34 PM ET
Nuge, McDavid, and LD are fine defensively, but as they gain experience, they will surely improve.
Nuge is a great defensively minded center who can execute a great two way game of hockey.
McDavid has an underrated defensive style of play, mainly since people mostly view him as an offensive dynamo.
LD plays a great game defensively and he uses his body as a defensive advantage in many situations; his back checking is very underrated as well.

Yak, Ebs, and maybe, just maybe Hall, need to learn a better defensively structured game (Hall defensively seems alright, but he does have his moments).

- EdmHockeyMan



Pouliot's game is a lot different than others in the top six. With LD on the right side of RHN and Hall I don't think the mix in the top 6 is as bad as people claim.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 1 @ 2:37 PM ET
I totally agree, no need to ruin his confidence.

What you guys needed to do was trade RNH for Gudbranson
And a 2nd, seeing as yak and a 2nd couldn't get it done..... just another example of Kevin Lowes over valued mismanagement.

Edit
How about Sbisa and Columbus's 2nd for RNH.... oops I forgot RHD is what you need, tryamkin and Sbisa.... no... all right then, subban and Sbisa, final offer.

- Pres.cup

No thanks. If we gotta trade RNH , I would hope for a slightly better player back than Gudbranson. He would be a decent add, but not for that price.
Hall Fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 1 @ 2:38 PM ET
Edmonton don't have a lack of talent; what they do have however is too many players who are too similar to each other. Look at Chicago: Kane/Panarin are smaller, speedy skill guys and Toews and Hossa are solid guys who put up reasonable points but are beasts defensively - it's that type of player that Edmonton lacks. Hall, Ebs, Nuge, McJesus, Draisaitl, hell even Nail, are talented guys who all like the puck on their stick and have a lot to learn defensively. What they need is more balance to their lineup.

EDIT: As for "In the toilet with the Leafs" - I've never been happier with the state of Toronto. They have a plan, and it seems to be a good one. Good plan >>> No plan or really poopty plan.

- lumlums



Leave it to a leafs fan to point out the flaws the Oil have. The Oilers have talented forwards. Hall is an amazing two way player. So is McJesus although he isn't used in that role. Draisatl is interesting as his defensive draws and two way ability was what made him amazing for the Kelowna Rockets. I have no doubt he can transition that to the NHL level, he is just not a full time center for the Oilers yet as RNH plays a great two way game. Personally I think the Oilers forwards all offer different things.
Hall Fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 1 @ 2:38 PM ET

An offer sheet makes tons of sense. Considering what the Oilers traded for Griffen last year, it would be reasonable to offer picks for a more proven young defender like Jones. There is even an argument for tying the hands of division rivals. If not Jones the Oilers have been known to talk to the Wild about their defensive situation. They need a top center. If the Oilers offered a decent sum for offensive center Dumba that would force the wild to get little in return from their young defender or match and not be able to compete for the big name UFA centers. The Oilers need strong two way defenders but they also need an offensive specialist for their PP and Dumba could offer that as early as this year.

Grabbing one by offer sheet and trying for a UFA would take care of the Oilers blue line without the need of trading their core players.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Jun 1 @ 2:46 PM ET
Pouliot's game is a lot different than others in the top six. With LD on the right side of RHN and Hall I don't think the mix in the top 6 is as bad as people claim.
- seoinyoung


Precisely.
Ebs and Yak are two player that Chia would deal first. They just don't fit his playing style at all which makes it easier if Chia has to trade them plus their defensive potential isn't as high as the other players you noted.
As for Pouliot, he has been a fantastic addition to Edmonton defensively and offensively. He also has that aggressive factor which leads me to...
Another player I would love Chia to sign in FA is Perron. He had his best season as an Oiler, he plays a really gritty and energetic game, he is exactly what Chia loves in a player, plus he adds a good amount of depth, especially in case of injury, plus Pouliot and Perron can rotate in correlation with in-game play and whom is playing better.

Hall-RNH-LD
Pouliot-McDavid-Maroon
Perron-Lander-Kassian
Hendricks-Yakimov-Pitlick

Defensively, it could be

Sekera-(Acquisition)
Klefbom-Demers?
Davidson-Gryba

Nonetheless, it's more than likely that one core player will be traded during this upcoming offseason.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jun 1 @ 2:51 PM ET
Leave it to a leafs fan to point out the flaws the Oil have. The Oilers have talented forwards. Hall is an amazing two way player. So is McJesus although he isn't used in that role. Draisatl is interesting as his defensive draws and two way ability was what made him amazing for the Kelowna Rockets. I have no doubt he can transition that to the NHL level, he is just not a full time center for the Oilers yet as RNH plays a great two way game. Personally I think the Oilers forwards all offer different things.
- Hall Fan


Delete your account already, you arent helping the oilers fan base by stinking around
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jun 1 @ 2:53 PM ET
Delete your account already, you arent helping the oilers fan base by stinking around
- DDM-Coga

We need help?
prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 1 @ 2:54 PM ET
Delete your account already, you arent helping the oilers fan base by stinking around
- DDM-Coga

prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 1 @ 2:56 PM ET
We need help?
- Jeropotato

Nice job stirring the pot in the Nucks thread
Matt Henderson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 09.20.2013

Jun 1 @ 2:57 PM ET
Instead of offer sheeting Jones:

The Oilers and the Jets should talk.

To Edmonton: Jacob Trouba, 22nd 2016 overall pick, high level prospect.

To Winnipeg: Darnell Nurse, 4th 2016 overall pick

Better option than offer sheeting Jones and you get to keep your picks.

- TheUltimateJet


For the Oilers I dont think that's a better option at all than an offer sheet.

Nurse, Tkachuk, Jones > Trouba, unnamed prospect, 22nd overall 18 year old
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 1 @ 3:03 PM ET
Delete your account already, you arent helping the oilers fan base by stinking around
- DDM-Coga

prismo
Location: Fan Free Agent
Joined: 06.28.2015

Jun 1 @ 3:03 PM ET
For the Oilers I dont think that's a better option at all than an offer sheet.

Nurse, Tkachuk, Jones > Trouba, unnamed prospect, 22nd overall 18 year old

- Matt_Henderson


A good option would be revisiting that Yak and Pou trade for Vatanen
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