Bounce or fly? That was one of our games growing up...
- powerenforcer

I think "Bounce or Fly" was the same as "500" - the "batter" would fungo the ball to the outfield (however many people that was) - 100 points if you caught it on the fly, 75 if on one bounce, 50 if on two, 25 if on 3 or more - first one to 500 points became the new batter.

Scrub (I think the name is right) - 2 or 3 batters and as many fielders as you had - hitters kept hitting until one made an out, he would go to the outfield, and the other fielders would rotate around. Again, imaginary runners and pitchers' hands, if necessary.

Just heard:

Hawks may go hard after Shipachyov and Vesey.

Also, depending on where the cap settles, there could be some "BIG SURPRISES" coming.
- John Jaeckel

Cap will come in relatively flat in a best case scenario.

I think "Bounce or Fly" was the same as "500" - the "batter" would fungo the ball to the outfield (however many people that was) - 100 points if you caught it on the fly, 75 if on one bounce, 50 if on two, 25 if on 3 or more - first one to 500 points became the new batter.

Scrub (I think the name is right) - 2 or 3 batters and as many fielders as you had - hitters kept hitting until one made an out, he would go to the outfield, and the other fielders would rotate around. Again, imaginary runners and pitchers' hands, if necessary.
- StLBravesFan

Wow, great memories. Our version of Bounce or Fly was if you caught it on a fly, or 1 bounce, you were the next batter. It taught us to hit line drives, and hit to where noone was.

Perhaps these guys should be treated like a hybrid between FA's and RFAs where the surrendering team receives draft picks as compensation. The player can sign anywhere he wants, but the team he originally was on would only be able to get compensation based on number of years, $$$, one-way, etc etc. of said contract. That team would NOT be able to match the sheet and only collect an auxiliary pick after the end of whatever round based on the contract that is signed. The team the player signs with does not surrender anything. They can use the RFA compensation as a guideline for the auxiliary picks received and tweek from there. Those picks cannot be traded then.

So, Nashville's sour grapes will taste a bit sweeter by losing Vesey. Or, Chicago's sour grapes would have tasted a bit sweeter by losing Hayes.
- stan-ley-cups

The Hawks received an additional 2nd rounder after losing Hayes, iirc.

The Hawks received an additional 2nd rounder after losing Hayes, iirc.
- tyweb69

ahh. ok, i guess there is then. Thanks!

Then why was there all the sour grapes from us fans? The Hawks were compensated.

ahh. ok, i guess there is then. Thanks!

Then why was there all the sour grapes from us fans? The Hawks were compensated.
- stan-ley-cups

Likely bc Hayes is a former first round pick, a big body with nice hands that can play Wing or Center anywhere in the top 9. Also, bc that 2nd round compensation pick was traded to Philly for "the charred ashes of Kimmo Timmonen".... I dont remember who said that on here but it's pure gold

Likely bc Hayes is a former first round pick, a big body with nice hands that can play Wing or Center anywhere in the top 9. Also, bc that 2nd round compensation pick was traded to Philly for "the charred ashes of Kimmo Timmonen".... I dont remember who said that on here but it's pure gold
- EnzoD

Chicago traded their pick in the Timonen deal (61st overall). With the 2nd round compensation pick the Blackhawks drafted Graham Knott.

Chicago traded their pick in the Timonen deal (61st overall). With the 2nd round compensation pick the Blackhawks drafted Graham Knott.
- DarthKane

My B. Either way, Hayes is a nice young player and the two 2nds on Kimmo Timmonen were a complete joke. Knott is a big bodied winger IIRC. Hopefully he and Hayden can develop into middle 6 Power Forwards for the big club in the not too distant future.

Likely bc Hayes is a former first round pick, a big body with nice hands that can play Wing or Center anywhere in the top 9. Also, bc that 2nd round compensation pick was traded to Philly for "the charred ashes of Kimmo Timmonen".... I dont remember who said that on here but it's pure gold
- EnzoD

Good times. That Hayes thing was probably one the most discussed board for quite sometime. I'm sure the Predator fan is discussing the Vesey thing amongst himself.

My B. Either way, Hayes is a nice young player and the two 2nds on Kimmo Timmonen were a complete joke. Knott is a big bodied winger IIRC. Hopefully he and Hayden can develop into middle 6 Power Forwards for the big club in the not too distant future.
- EnzoD

Ya...the price paid for Timonen was a bit of a head scratcher, but winning a Cup helped ease that pain a little. I wonder if Stan knew Hayes was going to walk and he'd be getting compensation when he made the deal with Philly?

There is some cross over and inline hockey is WAY cheaper, but the player still needs to ice skate. Inline can certainly improve a players hands.
- kwolf68

No doubt a kid needs to hit the ice but that can happen after they have been exposed to the sport at more cost effective entry point.

No doubt a kid needs to hit the ice but that can happen after they have been exposed to the sport at more cost effective entry point.
- Al

Spot on Al. I played two summers of Roller Hockey with the local Rec League before hitting the ice as a 7 year old that 2nd fall in house league. A great way to expand the racial profiles of hockey players is to put up outdoor roller rinks throughout the city of Chicago. There are several in the Southwest suburbs where I grew up and they are full all summer with pick up roller hockey games. I know that Rocky and the Hawks have made a push for getting the inner city youth involved/interested in hockey, but they can still do A LOT more, IMO.

I live in Uptown now and I just signed a petition to bring back the North Ave Beach Roller Rink. I do not know why they ever took it down, but it would be another great way to get more exposure for the sport, and for me to dangle some ankle benders on the beach

Yep exactly what I've saying for a few months. Players may vote in their 5% escalator but this is NOT good news for the Hawks. I think Shaw leaving now is at about 80% baring a trade of another decent salaried guy.
- SteveRain

The players will vote the escalator in...I don't think the PA advocates against it, and they have always voted it in.

But I could make the case for no time like the present.

Spot on Al. I played two summers of Roller Hockey with the local Rec League before hitting the ice as a 7 year old that 2nd fall in house league. A great way to expand the racial profiles of hockey players is to put up outdoor roller rinks throughout the city of Chicago. There are several in the Southwest suburbs where I grew up and they are full all summer with pick up roller hockey games. I know that Rocky and the Hawks have made a push for getting the inner city youth involved/interested in hockey, but they can still do A LOT more, IMO.

I live in Uptown now and I just signed a petition to bring back the North Ave Beach Roller Rink. I do not know why they ever took it down, but it would be another great way to get more exposure for the sport, and for me to dangle some ankle benders on the beach
- EnzoD

Correct...

If you think it is difficult to get ice time here...Imagine what it is like in TB, Dallas, SJ etc.

TB pours a lot of money into youth hockey and it is all based around roller/inline hockey.

Wow, great memories. Our version of Bounce or Fly was if you caught it on a fly, or 1 bounce, you were the next batter. It taught us to hit line drives, and hit to where noone was.
- powerenforcer

Yep...fast pitch with a rubber ball against wall and that for soft ball were mainstays.

Just heard:

Hawks may go hard after Shipachyov and Vesey.

Also, depending on where the cap settles, there could be some "BIG SURPRISES" coming.
- John Jaeckel

Thanks for the info JJ. Ship is an interesting player. AA a possible candidate? He played well - hopefully he will stick around. Also considering that the cap will remain the same or marginally increase definitely raises some feelings for the Blackhawks. Vesey will probably want to get paid, so coming to Chicago limits his financial aspirations. However, playing on a cup contender should also be just as convincing. Also, learning from Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Kane and possibly occupying the 1LW/2LW role should definitely be appeasing.

Thanks for the info JJ. Ship is an interesting player. AA a possible candidate? He played well - hopefully he will stick around. Also considering that the cap will remain the same or marginally increase definitely raises some feelings for the Blackhawks. Vesey will probably want to get paid, so coming to Chicago limits his financial aspirations. However, playing on a cup contender should also be just as convincing. Also, learning from Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Kane and possibly occupying the 1LW/2LW role should definitely be appeasing.
- 93Joe

No idea about Anisimov. I have not heard his name specifically mentioned, where I did hear a few others. I was told a LOT more could happen depending on where the cap comes in.

Thanks for the info JJ. Ship is an interesting player. AA a possible candidate? He played well - hopefully he will stick around. Also considering that the cap will remain the same or marginally increase definitely raises some feelings for the Blackhawks. Vesey will probably want to get paid, so coming to Chicago limits his financial aspirations. However, playing on a cup contender should also be just as convincing. Also, learning from Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Kane and possibly occupying the 1LW/2LW role should definitely be appeasing.
- 93Joe

Vesey would be on an ELC so that'll be the same whereever he signs.

If you're talking about his 2nd contract, being on a team that hasn't been able to pay big money on your next contract has not really precluded said player from getting big money on their 2nd contract, it just might not be in Chicago (see Brandon Saad). But on paper, playing in Chicago could definitely help Vesey with exposure and playing with quality players.

I still think it's a longshot, but here's hoping.

Thanks for the info JJ. Ship is an interesting player. AA a possible candidate? He played well - hopefully he will stick around. Also considering that the cap will remain the same or marginally increase definitely raises some feelings for the Blackhawks. Vesey will probably want to get paid, so coming to Chicago limits his financial aspirations. However, playing on a cup contender should also be just as convincing. Also, learning from Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Kane and possibly occupying the 1LW/2LW role should definitely be appeasing.
- 93Joe

Stan would have to have the Sales Pitch of a lifetime to pry Vesey away from Boston. He was quoted a few weeks back that "it would be a dream come true to play for my hometown Bruins", or something along those lines. The SKA connection with Panarin makes Shipachyev VERY possible as a RFA signing. I believe that the standard RFA compensation rules would work for Shipachyev, but I could be wrong.

Panik-Toews-Kane
Panarin-Shipachyev-Hossa
Motte-Anisimov-TT
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It's about to get VERY interesting over the next 60 days

No idea about Anisimov. I have not heard his name specifically mentioned, where I did hear a few others. I was told a LOT more could happen depending on where the cap comes in.
- John Jaeckel

We heard from Daly (about as much as we will). Since we can figure the cap is going to be relatively close to where it is, what is the LOT?

Thanks for the info JJ. Ship is an interesting player. AA a possible candidate? He played well - hopefully he will stick around. Also considering that the cap will remain the same or marginally increase definitely raises some feelings for the Blackhawks. Vesey will probably want to get paid, so coming to Chicago limits his financial aspirations. However, playing on a cup contender should also be just as convincing. Also, learning from Toews, Hossa, Seabrook, Kane and possibly occupying the 1LW/2LW role should definitely be appeasing.
- 93Joe

If I remember correctly Veser can still really only sign an ELC cap hit with a bonus laden contract.

Was no different with Panarin this year of Hayes when he signed with NYR. No matter where Vesey goes this year, his cap will max out around $950k but the potential to win more in bonus money will come at the end of the year and financial repercussions via cap for the team signing him will take effect year 2.

Now what teams decide his bonus benchmarks to entice him to sign remains to be seen. Chicago would probably do similar to Panarin for Vesey to hit bonuses (top 10 scoring, calder finalist, etc) where as some team DESPERATE to sign him will kick in laughable bonuses like 40 pts, 50 games played, etc where he probably has no problem collecting an extra $2-3 mil just by showing up to the rink every day

No idea about Anisimov. I have not heard his name specifically mentioned, where I did hear a few others. I was told a LOT more could happen depending on where the cap comes in.
- John Jaeckel

For the NHL to say the 2017 cap will be relatively flat tells me if it goes up it will be less than $1.5 mill.....

A lot of teams in deep water....

Vesey would be on an ELC so that'll be the same whereever he signs.

If you're talking about his 2nd contract, being on a team that hasn't been able to pay big money on your next contract has not really precluded said player from getting big money on their 2nd contract, it just might not be in Chicago (see Brandon Saad). But on paper, playing in Chicago could definitely help Vesey with exposure and playing with quality players.

I still think it's a longshot, but here's hoping.
- Hawksfan37

As I mentioned just above, you are correct about the ELC, but only for year 1.

In an exact same situation with Kevin Hayes, his contract had "potential" to earn an EXTRA $2.85 mil in bonuses per year.

Here were his bonus benchmarks to hit:



So like I mentioned earlier, the team can negotiate these benchmarks. Some can be tough and some could just be laughably bad. I remember a coupe years back, Iginla got a $3.7 mil bonus for playing TEN games with Boston. It was a way to land him as a FA and slide the cap to future years but Jarome gets his money in lump early on

Spot on Al. I played two summers of Roller Hockey with the local Rec League before hitting the ice as a 7 year old that 2nd fall in house league. A great way to expand the racial profiles of hockey players is to put up outdoor roller rinks throughout the city of Chicago. There are several in the Southwest suburbs where I grew up and they are full all summer with pick up roller hockey games. I know that Rocky and the Hawks have made a push for getting the inner city youth involved/interested in hockey, but they can still do A LOT more, IMO.

I live in Uptown now and I just signed a petition to bring back the North Ave Beach Roller Rink. I do not know why they ever took it down, but it would be another great way to get more exposure for the sport, and for me to dangle some ankle benders on the beach
- EnzoD

Hey Enzo! My son is moving into Uptown tomorrow -- I'll tell him to be on the lookout for a guy carrying a "Q Must Go!" sign ....

For the NHL to say the 2017 cap will be relatively flat tells me if it goes up it will be less than $1.5 mill.....

A lot of teams in deep water....
- Al

You would think the league office finance staff would be able to come up with better projections than these clowns:

Wasn't it only a couple of weeks ago that Bettman was talking about a 5% increase?

This tells me the escalator negotiations are not going well.

I agree with your $1.5MM.