Other than Kane or Toews, Keith brings back the most. In my opinion anyway.
- 6628

Still don´t think it will bring back as much Keith brings to this team.

Still don´t think it will bring back as much Keith brings to this team.
- MjulQvist

Agreed. Especially with his very reasonable cap hit.

If you trade him for a young stud dman... said young stud dman will be requesting $7M+ year in no time (warranted or not).

Other than Kane or Toews, Keith brings back the most. In my opinion anyway.
- 6628

What about the contract and cap recapture? Don't the Hawks have the same issue with Keith that they do with Hossa? And no one has seriously mentioned Hossa as a potential trade either. If you think Keith's contract is tradable then doesn't Hossa's contract become tradable too - and when the cap hit is millions more than his actual pay doesn't he become incredibly attractive to a cap floor team like AZ or CAR?

Still don´t think it will bring back as much Keith brings to this team.
- MjulQvist

IMO (FWWW, which is basically what you're paying for it) Keith > Hossa right now.

Agreed. Especially with his very reasonable cap hit.

If you trade him for a young stud dman... said young stud dman will be requesting $7M+ year in no time (warranted or not).
- TyCamScore

He also has a No Movement Clause: given his family situation - and I don't know where his ex-wife and son now live - if they're still in Chicago, how willing would he be to move away from his son?

He also has a No Movement Clause: given his family situation - and I don't know where his ex-wife and son now live - if they're still in Chicago, how willing would he be to move away from his son?
- StLBravesFan

Think that Keith's wife is back in BC, which is where the divorce proceeding is.

EDIT: news article on the divorce proceeding in BC Court - http://www.vancouversun.c...pport/11382805/story.html

Gotta give to get. If PA declines, then there is intra-union discourse; players w/o contracts vs those with contracts. Not a whole lot different than the owner split leading into Jan'13's CBA agreement: Small market owners vs large market owners. Sound familiar from another sport, famous for these rifts?

Not all 19/88's $1.6M escrow monies go, and stay away. There will always be a 50% HRR number that gets achieved at seasons' end.

The 'Hawks are in a unique situation, like no other team. The two largest cap hits in the entire league, and by about $1M, IIRC than the next highest. Tough spot for 19/88. Question for them: Wanna win again soon? My guess the answer is a resounding YES. Stan needs that $3.5M extra space more than anyone. Thanks in part to 19/88's deals.

If 19/88 want money only - which I do not believe - then they should vote against the 5% escalator.
- blackhawk24

Just happened to look at Crosby's and Malkin's age yesterday and didn't realize how much more Kane-Toews make and how close the two pairs are in age, I somehow assumed the Pens pair was a few more years older.

Toews (28) 10.5 per thru 2022. Kane (27) 10.5 per thru 2022.

Malkin (29) 9.5 per thru 2021. Crosby (28) 8.7 per thru 2024.

21 mil per for the Hawk duo, 18.2 for the Pens pair. 2.8 mil more breathing room for the Pens thru 2021.

Still don´t think it will bring back as much Keith brings to this team.
- MjulQvist

With Keith's cap hit moving him will not happen.

If Bickel could be moved with Kruger I would do it. If Bickel could be moved with Shaw I would also do it .....but reluctantly.

Either way it's 7 million in Cap Space.

Seabs cap hit, his health and his leadership make him the most likely trade target..
I would be looking at Toronto and Edmonton on this front.

Toews Panik Hall
Aa Panarin Kane
Shaw Teravinen Hossa
Rasm xxxx xxxxxx

Agreed. Especially with his very reasonable cap hit.

If you trade him for a young stud dman... said young stud dman will be requesting $7M+ year in no time (warranted or not).
- TyCamScore

Logically speaking it would seems so. Keith's production at 5.5 mil thru 2020 seems exactly the kind of contract the Hawks would look to acquire, not move.

I think they would look at the very top salaried players and work down.

Interesting opinion piece out of the MY Post basically saying a lot of what the folks on this board have been saying about Bettman and league parity - http://nypost.com/2016/06...-wallets-ambitious-teams/

I'm suggesting that the negotiation includes increasing the players' 50% HRR share for next season - a real give back by the owners. Or an NBA-style Bird Exception - so the Hawks could keep their home-grown stars. Temporary or permanent.

Kane and Toews: how much are they willing to pay to get another Cup?

Without some major give-back by the owners, the players currently under contract are taking the entire risk of an increased cap.
- StLBravesFan

If 19/88 AAV were not in the league top-10 and still had seven years left on current deals, then I can understand that. Between them and the agent, they knew going in a good portion of their AAV above the rest of the league was going into escrow.

Owners won't go for sub-50% HRR IMO. Big market teams such as the 'Hawks can absorb this, begrudgingly. But look at the lowest third in team-by-team revenue. Those are the teams Bettman cow-towed to at the last CBA. I fear another big-market vs small-market owner squabble will hurt the 'Hawks again.

And here's the rub, and where I think 19 especially, can make a difference -for all the skill players - lobby the league, owners and anyone else who will listen, HELLO NBC!.....enforce the obstruction rules! Open up the game. Don't screw with the nets. Widening the rinks is absurd CapEx and OpEx monies. Grow the game by offence. More TV money, more gate revenue, more HRR. Toews at least to me, can be one of the games greatest ambassadors, while he is still playing.

How pissed did he seem, for a few years running now, about obstruction?

Interesting opinion piece out of the MY Post basically saying a lot of what the folks on this board have been saying about Bettman and league parity - http://nypost.com/2016/06...-wallets-ambitious-teams/
- Marlowe

NHL tried to emulate to a certain extent, the outcome of the NFL's model, via a different path, and failed. Badly. Interesting comments on the big market, TV revenue diving teams. NHL needs a new commish --- John McDonough, come on down! You're the next contestant on "save the NHL".

Bettman and Co remind me of the park district girls softball league I coached in years back when my daughter was 10-15 years old. Parity, parity, parity.

Just happened to look at Crosby's and Malkin's age yesterday and didn't realize how much more Kane-Toews make and how close the two pairs are in age, I somehow assumed the Pens pair was a few more years older.

Toews (28) 10.5 per thru 2022. Kane (27) 10.5 per thru 2022.

Malkin (29) 9.5 per thru 2021. Crosby (28) 8.7 per thru 2024.

21 mil per for the Hawk duo, 18.2 for the Pens pair. 2.8 mil more breathing room for the Pens thru 2021.
- Mr Ricochet

Now think about implications for the 'Hawks, escalator vs no escalator: $72.8M vs $69.3M. Disaster. This year and next. WC catching/caught up to 'Hawks.

I am not against players pushing the salary envelope. With two at the very top AAV it makes for difficult maneuvering, on top of other issues presented the last couple offseasons. Too bad CBA doesn't allow for contract restructuring like the NFL. Pats used that quite well to enhance their dynasty chances.

Taylor Hall is making 6 mill/year?? Geezus

And it sure should not be Keith either. Trading Keith would be a big mistake. In case they´re trying to win the cup again in near future.
- MjulQvist

If they are seriously considering moving Keith, especially given his cap hit, then there must be something terrible that happened in the locker room this year. He's a (frank)ing generational talent. And maybe there is something to Quenneville throwing the players under the bus on not wanting it enough in the end-of-season press conference. Maybe he was pointing to Keith.

If they are seriously considering moving Keith, especially given his cap hit, then there must be something terrible that happened in the locker room this year. He's a (frank)ing generational talent. And maybe there is something to Quenneville throwing the players under the bus on not wanting it enough in the end-of-season press conference. Maybe he was pointing to Keith.
- DMChi2010

You know, Troy fell because of a woman!!

If Seabrook is on the block, a defenseman or 1/2 LW MUST come back in the trade. Then again, with his raise and leadership, Hard to see them part ways. Not doubting it, just saying. Taylor Hall? Huge salary as said before.

If Seabrook is on the block, a defenseman or 1/2 LW MUST come back in the trade. Then again, with his raise and leadership, Hard to see them part ways. Not doubting it, just saying. Taylor Hall? Huge salary as said before.
- 93Joe

JJ you gotta help us out. Any tid bit, hint, wink of what may be coming??

NHL tried to emulate to a certain extent, the outcome of the NFL's model, via a different path, and failed. Badly. Interesting comments on the big market, TV revenue diving teams. NHL needs a new commish --- John McDonough, come on down! You're the next contestant on "save the NHL".

Bettman and Co remind me of the park district girls softball league I coached in years back when my daughter was 10-15 years old. Parity, parity, parity.
- blackhawk24

I don't mean to start sounding like PE, but since the lockout (including provisions in the new CBA) - has there been any league decision that didn't screw the Hawks?

The cap reduction to get to the 50/50 cap
The Hossa recapture rules
The "must protect" contracts with NMCs from the expansion draft - INCLUDING those that will expire next summer (although I don't think any Hawks come under this rule)
The very possible cap reduction this year

Really seems like it's time for Rocky to start screaming about some better treatment for one of the premier franchises in the league.

JJ you gotta help us out. Any tid bit, hint, wink of what may be coming??
- z1990z

Got a feeling a blog is coming soon.

You know, Troy fell because of a woman!!
- z1990z

Troy Murray?

What's your source?

Troy Murray?

What's your source?
- StLBravesFan

Wrong Troy... old school Greek Mythology.

Wrong Troy... old school Greek Mythology.
- z1990z

Ahhh, yes - a horse filled with Trojans, or something kinky like that.

If 19/88 AAV were not in the league top-10 and still had seven years left on current deals, then I can understand that. Between them and the agent, they knew going in a good portion of their AAV above the rest of the league was going into escrow.

Owners won't go for sub-50% HRR IMO. Big market teams such as the 'Hawks can absorb this, begrudgingly. But look at the lowest third in team-by-team revenue. Those are the teams Bettman cow-towed to at the last CBA. I fear another big-market vs small-market owner squabble will hurt the 'Hawks again.

And here's the rub, and where I think 19 especially, can make a difference -for all the skill players - lobby the league, owners and anyone else who will listen, HELLO NBC!.....enforce the obstruction rules! Open up the game. Don't screw with the nets. Widening the rinks is absurd CapEx and OpEx monies. Grow the game by offence. More TV money, more gate revenue, more HRR. Toews at least to me, can be one of the games greatest ambassadors, while he is still playing.

How pissed did he seem, for a few years running now, about obstruction?
- blackhawk24

Why is widening the surface to international size, 200x100, absurd and what is CapEx and OpEx? .........Simply said, and at a big cost to OWNERS, is most every single problem the sport faces inside the boards is instantly fixed by adding the 15 feet of width to the surface.

I've had seasons in the 3rd level 1st row for awhile now. That is how my mind absorbs NHL action, from the 3rd level. When Huet was still digging pucks out of the net for the Hawks I got 7th row seats at Columbus for a Hawk road game.

I don't have words to explain the absolute shock at the incredible speed and size of these people that I saw at ice level that I had no possible way of understanding in the 3rd level.

And to go further there was no way for me to understand just how little time a player had to move a puck before there was an opponent on him. There was simply NO ice or time for as player to operate........To further this I saw Canada v Sweden in the 2010 WJC live from the 9th row and thought that was the fastest hockey game I'd ever seen. Hindsight shows me the two, NHL-greatest juniors on earth, are barely comparable.

That game changed how I see the sport and I've been around playing and watching since 1970. ....... Widen the rink and see just how talented these people really are and how most of the on ice problems disappear.

Interesting opinion piece out of the MY Post basically saying a lot of what the folks on this board have been saying about Bettman and league parity - http://nypost.com/2016/06...-wallets-ambitious-teams/
- Marlowe

Thanks for the link.........

It always can be distilled to this: The NHL is a lowest common-denominator league that uses its power to sanction successful teams that try to win.

What league punishes teams for trying to give their fans the best product possible? The answer is, the NHL.


Hard to admit that as a Hawk fan I'm for rules to help the league be more competitive (parity). It hurts the Hawks but for the sport, if done CORRECTLY, rules to make the league less MLB top heavy is a good thing.

Obviously any reasonable person can see the parity rules as constituted are a failure. The thing needs tweaked to allow the heavy hitters, original 6 types, to more easily erase mistakes and keep their home grown talent.

Interesting opinion piece out of the MY Post basically saying a lot of what the folks on this board have been saying about Bettman and league parity - http://nypost.com/2016/06...-wallets-ambitious-teams/
- Marlowe

"It always can be distilled to this: The NHL is a lowest common-denominator league that uses its power to sanction successful teams that try to win. "What league punishes teams for trying to give their fans the best product possible? The answer is, the NHL."

What a business model these fools have put together.