Haven't read through the whole blog, but curious if we're trying to somehow get a first round pick.

Per Mike Morreale:

CHI scout Mike Doneghey told me they asked German Rubstov where he thought he would fit in CHI lineup. Rubstov: "B/w Kane & Panarin" #boom
- walleyeb1

The kid does not even turn 18 until later this month.

That said, between chatter surrounding Shipchayov and now Rubstov, it sure looks like the FO is looking for a cheap ELC center that speaks Russian.

Tells me AA is the guy that may be on the move.

The kid does not even turn 18 until later this month.

That said, between chatter surrounding Shipchayov and now Rubstov, it sure looks like the FO is looking for a cheap ELC center that speaks Russian.

Tells me AA is the guy that may be on the move.
- Return of the Roar

Not sure what it would take to get a first round pick, but don't think AA does it.

Haven't read through the whole blog, but curious if we're trying to somehow get a first round pick.

Per Mike Morreale:

CHI scout Mike Doneghey told me they asked German Rubstov where he thought he would fit in CHI lineup. Rubstov: "B/w Kane & Panarin" #boom
- walleyeb1

If Stan trades Shaw for a late first round pick this could be an option (eventually).

Wow, Roman Polak is having a terrible SCF. That terrible giveaway the other game and tonight he just moved his knee to deflect a shot from the point into his own net.

If Stan trades Shaw for a late first round pick this could be an option (eventually).
- DarthKane

Wiz wrote a good sized paragraph about the kid on his mock draft. Kid is 6' - 6'1"
190 and plays a strong two way game. Strength, tenacity, strong playmaking. Seems like an interesting prospect. Still think, as you say, Shaw remains a hawk.

Wow, Roman Polak is having a terrible SCF. That terrible giveaway the other game and tonight he just moved his knee to deflect a shot from the point into his own net.
- DMChi2010

Pens really showing their speed and forechecking ability. They roll 4 lines really well too.

Nice goal by ward. He was probably pissed at all the pretty passing. Just put it in the damn net.

wow..another dominate performance by the pens...40 plus SOG's but the sharks keep it together and get this game 9in OT...

wow..another dominate performance by the pens...40 plus SOG's but the sharks keep it together and get this game 9in OT...
- bogiedoc

I had no idea this Donstory kid was the next Gretzkey. A lazy defensive play by Malkin allows Dontsoy to get off a shot.

I had no idea this Donstory kid was the next Gretzkey. A lazy defensive play by Malkin allows Dontsoy to get off a shot.
- kwolf68

maybe so but malkin had a very good game...it looks like again the shot deflected off a defenders stick and up/over murray

maybe so but malkin had a very good game...it looks like again the shot deflected off a defenders stick and up/over murray
- bogiedoc

Malkin was lazy...he got beat and outskated on the GWG. I dont care if Malkin cured cancer in the 2nd period, that was a lazy ass hockey play.

Malkin was lazy...he got beat and outskated on the GWG. I dont care if Malkin cured cancer in the 2nd period, that was a lazy ass hockey play.
- kwolf68

ok....

Those names, and any really, are just message board fans kicking them around. There have been no leaks to locals, or even the connected national guys, that are mentioning any Hawk names being shopped.

Fans connecting logical dots, that's what fans do. I don't get too much into this kinda stuff but would assume the Hawks didn't just extend Seabs and Kruger, give them no trade/movement clauses to move them within months of extending them.

But anything can happen and thinking about it for a minute or so signing Kruger to seemingly low end 3C/high end 4C money with Shaw and Panarin needing paid I wonder if Shaw is in the plans.
- Mr Ricochet

Someone much bigger in the "core" is being discussed. If the Hawks can make a deal for another player - then that big core player will be moved.

Stay tuned......

Someone much bigger in the "core" is being discussed. If the Hawks can make a deal for another player - then that big core player will be moved.

Stay tuned......
- dahawks8819

And you know this cause..

And you know this cause..

- MjulQvist

As John reported earlier - I heard the same - from someone that would know.

A name that has not been seriously discussed here may be on the move - and the "core" will be somewhat reshaped.

As John reported earlier - I heard the same - from someone that would know.

A name that has not been seriously discussed here may be on the move - and the "core" will be somewhat reshaped.
- dahawks8819

I don´t believe Toews, Kane or Keith is that name. Anyone outside from those three could be moved, that I can buy..but we´ll see what happens.

I don´t believe Toews, Kane or Keith is that name. Anyone outside from those three could be moved, that I can buy..but we´ll see what happens.
- MjulQvist

I can say it is not Toews and it is not Kane.

I can say it is not Toews and it is not Kane.
- dahawks8819

And it sure should not be Keith either. Trading Keith would be a big mistake. In case they´re trying to win the cup again in near future.

Did anyone else hear Eliot Friedman last night saying Daly told players association that if players don't agree to the 5 % bump cap could be under 70 million

And it sure should not be Keith either. Trading Keith would be a big mistake. In case they´re trying to win the cup again in near future.
- MjulQvist

I agree, but then I may be a bit biased (my go to authentic sweater is a Keith sweater). I love Duncan Keith and what he brings to this team. That said, I have worked for enough large businesses and done enough deals (M&A and contract negotiations up to over US$500M) to know that everything - no matter how impossible seaming - will be considered and must be considered in order to do your duty by the various constituencies to which you must answer (owners/shareholders, employees, public/community/fans). You aren't doing your job if you don't at least listen and give due consideration. I will also say that what is true right now may or may not be true an hour from now. Rumors are generally behind the curve and deals are very fluid things.

Did anyone else hear Eliot Friedman last night saying Daly told players association that if players don't agree to the 5 % bump cap could be under 70 million
- HamiltonHawk

An agreement that costs Kane and Toews up to $1.6MM in escrow give backs.

Would you agree?

If I were Donald Fehr, I would say - ok, Mr. Bettman, you can have your 5% - make the cap anything you want - but eliminate the escrow for next season - no player salary give-backs to get back to 50% of HRR.

An agreement that costs Kane and Toews up to $1.6MM in escrow give backs.

Would you agree?

If I were Donald Fehr, I would say - ok, Mr. Bettman, you can have your 5% - make the cap anything you want - but eliminate the escrow for next season - no player salary give-backs to get back to 50% of HRR.
- StLBravesFan

Gotta give to get. If PA declines, then there is intra-union discourse; players w/o contracts vs those with contracts. Not a whole lot different than the owner split leading into Jan'13's CBA agreement: Small market owners vs large market owners. Sound familiar from another sport, famous for these rifts?

Not all 19/88's $1.6M escrow monies go, and stay away. There will always be a 50% HRR number that gets achieved at seasons' end.

The 'Hawks are in a unique situation, like no other team. The two largest cap hits in the entire league, and by about $1M, IIRC than the next highest. Tough spot for 19/88. Question for them: Wanna win again soon? My guess the answer is a resounding YES. Stan needs that $3.5M extra space more than anyone. Thanks in part to 19/88's deals.

If 19/88 want money only - which I do not believe - then they should vote against the 5% escalator.

I agree, but then I may be a bit biased (my go to authentic sweater is a Keith sweater). I love Duncan Keith and what he brings to this team. That said, I have worked for enough large businesses and done enough deals (M&A and contract negotiations up to over US$500M) to know that everything - no matter how impossible seaming - will be considered and must be considered in order to do your duty by the various constituencies to which you must answer (owners/shareholders, employees, public/community/fans). You aren't doing your job if you don't at least listen and give due consideration. I will also say that what is true right now may or may not be true an hour from now. Rumors are generally behind the curve and deals are very fluid things.
- Marlowe

Well said. I know sports is a different animal in some ways but the bottom line in any business is success (which can have different meanings) and consumers for your product.

Like when "Kaner" had an Excellent Weekend last year and the Hawks were not sure if and when he'd be available. When cleared my thoughts were that despite the kid having top 5 hands and vision in the world the Hawks' first obligation is to the franchise. The team needed all decision makers in a room, access the risk of keeping or moving him and have plans a,b,c,d,e and f going forward.

Not as drastic today as then but with the cap strangling the life out of them it seems decisions will be made on a less worse basis. The cap it seems is dictating that improvement means getting less worse is "improvement".

Short reply, indeed EVERY option needs to be considered in the impossible hard cap-expansion draft environment.

Gotta give to get. If PA declines, then there is intra-union discourse; players w/o contracts vs those with contracts. Not a whole lot different than the owner split leading into Jan'13's CBA agreement: Small market owners vs large market owners. Sound familiar from another sport, famous for these rifts?

Not all 19/88's $1.6M escrow monies go, and stay away. There will always be a 50% HRR number that gets achieved at seasons' end.

The 'Hawks are in a unique situation, like no other team. The two largest cap hits in the entire league, and by about $1M, IIRC than the next highest. Tough spot for 19/88. Question for them: Wanna win again soon? My guess the answer is a resounding YES. Stan needs that $3.5M extra space more than anyone. Thanks in part to 19/88's deals.

If 19/88 want money only - which I do not believe - then they should vote against the 5% escalator.
- blackhawk24

I'm suggesting that the negotiation includes increasing the players' 50% HRR share for next season - a real give back by the owners. Or an NBA-style Bird Exception - so the Hawks could keep their home-grown stars. Temporary or permanent.

Kane and Toews: how much are they willing to pay to get another Cup?

Without some major give-back by the owners, the players currently under contract are taking the entire risk of an increased cap.

And it sure should not be Keith either. Trading Keith would be a big mistake. In case they´re trying to win the cup again in near future.
- MjulQvist

Other than Kane or Toews, Keith brings back the most. In my opinion anyway.